Trump picks Elon and Vivek to run new government efficiency dept.

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35 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

1) So you admit that deficit spending during economic downturn is good for the economy? Whatever happened to  your nonsense about “ FDR’s deficit spending prolonged the Great Depression” amd your criticism of liberal/ democrat deficit spending during economic downturns? You suddenly seem to reverse your opinion  when it’s politically convenient

2) Harper ran 7 straight deficits , the recession didn’t last 7 years, it lasted less than 1 year. 

3) Don’t take your eyes off the ball :  I’m not criticizing his deficit but challenging your assertion that he massively cut spending without cutting services   He cut cut services and still ran deficits   Harper might be the closest thing to any Republican or conservative ever cutting federal budgets without absolutely gutting core services, all other cases they either ran huge deficits or destroyed public services 

 

Sure it is, he changed it from a guarantee of 6% to a guarantee of only 3% with the rest being variable. His formula also didn’t allow for adjustments due to inflation or demographic changes meaning that funding it declined on a per capita basis 

 

That’s an opinion piece written by a Republican think tank the Heartland Institute   What the author of that article is trying to give Trump credit for is child tax credit, which was also part of that tax reform bill but most republicans opposed it but it was pushed through in congress as a compromise. The amount that middle class taxpayers received as a result of Trump’s reduced tax rates was minimal 

 

Jobs come from employers, which are companies with various ownership structures not necessarily from “rich people “ directly. Most companies are not owned by some plutocrat who rules by decree. Furthermore those companies already have tax breaks and loopholes and offshore accounts up ying-yang anyway. When a “rich person” “creates jobs” they do it via a business the taxes are paid by the company at the corporate tax rate. You’re a complete ****** of you think jobs are created because some “rich person” got a reduction to his personal tax return and pays employees out of his personal finances . 
 

It’s not dishonest but of course you’re including Biden’s covid spending and  Biden had to deal with covid-related issues longer than Trump did. Also AFAIK Biden’s isn’t yet confirmed to he higher if you have proof, link it. 

 

 

Huh?  Allowing polluters to poison drinking water and the air we breathe isn’t fixing problems. Allowing financial institutions to treat financial markets like a casino and gamble with citizens’ money isn’t fixing problems. When Trump killed an Obama era law prohibiting financial advisors from misleading clients isn’t fixing problems. Those create problems. And it’s hilarious that you would even utter the word “truth” because Trump is the last human being on earth to know or care about the truth,  the Republican party and its ecosystem of fake news propagandists across traditional and social media have followed him into an entire alternate reality universe of fake news. 
 

LOL that’s never been true and you’re just bullshitting again as you often do .  That’s why you can’t even muster a link or more than one sentence to support your claim.  I know you like to b1txh and moan it when I bury your bullshit zero-evidence made up claims with a mountain of reality so Ill keep it to just 3 links this time 

Billionaires lean towards republicans at every level of government but they lean away from Trump specifically. For example in the 2024 election, 83 billionaires openly supported Biden/Harris vs 52 for Trump, because of Republican billionaires who just have problems with Trump specifically due to his chaotic and incoherent platform and the clown car of random kooks and grifters in his orbit.  And that’s been true of all Trump’s elections since 2016 but it doesn’t translate to congress or state level elections where billionaires continue to lean right as they did at every level prior to 2016  For example Musk supported mostly republicans in 2020 but supported Biden for president  Ken Griffin is another prominent billionaire who supported mostly republicans but Biden and Harris for presidential races  

 

Of the total $1.9 billion spent by America’s richest families on all federal campaigns, $1.36 billion (72%) went to support Republicans while Democrats were buoyed by about $413 million (22%). (The remaining 6% backed Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s presidential bid and other causes). 

https://americansfortaxfairness.org/billionaire-clans-spend-nearly-2-billion-2024-elections/?doing_wp_cron=1731767504.2176749706268310546875

A recent Gallup poll shows that 28% of Americans identify as Republicans, 27% identify as Democrats and 42% identify as independents. Our billionaire cohort skewed farther right: 43% Republicans, 24% Democrats and 33% independents

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2020/10/20/even-americas-billionaires-are-tilting-toward-biden-in-the-2020-presidential-race/

 

 

American billionaires’ political spending overwhelmingly leans Republican

https://qz.com/american-billionaires-political-spending-overwhelmingl-1849751449

 

 

The wealthy can’t control the outcome of elections (yet) but they have ENORMOUS influence over whoever wins the election and the people making the day-to-day decisions  at all levels of government.  They also  control who gets on the ballot in the first place   In the USA where everyone down to the proverbial town dogcatcher is elected that also includes countless judges, prosecutors, sheriffs, public utilities officials, and so on of every sort and at every level.

 

That’s your alternative reality where you and your select live memory purposely ignore inconvenient facts   The culture war started ling before Obama, more than a decade before actually. Right around the time Fox News came on the air. Fox News propagandist and sexual predator Bill O’Reilly even came out with a book back then called “Culture Warrior”. Back then it was all this nonsense about “the war on Christmas” and gay marriage and evil marijuana and praying in schools  Back in the Bill Clinton era of the late 90s there was a general sense of prosperity and optimism and the economy was doing well so Republicans had nothing else to go on except culture war garbage and of course climate denialism  After 9/11 Republicans made the culture war about evil Muslims and claiming democrats support terrorism, then there was Obama Birtherism lies of which Trump became a promoter, as well as lies about Obamacare being a secret plot to set up “government death panels”  and then of course you have Alex Jones. And Im just talking about when Republican hate became mainstream in the party. As Ive told you repeatedly, Republicans have a long history hate-mongers like Rush Limbaugh, John Birch Society, Joe McCarthy’s communist witch hunts, and the Nazi-admiring republicans who conspired to stage a coup against FDR. 
 

Obama and Dems rightly denouncing overt acts of racism isn’t hateful, and its not hateful when the justice system enforces the laws without giving special treatment to republican crooks.  

You didn’t prove anything false you just spewed more your bullshit without providing any support. You’re the one easily proven false when you state massive lies like Bush delivered balanced budgets. The pattern with you is:   you make up some bullshit amd don’t even try to offer any evidence to support it, I prove you false with evidence, then you don’t even acknowledge it and pretend it didn’t happen, then you falsely claim that you proved me false. That’s typical for how republicans operate these days. . 

And again here's the short version:

OF course deficit spending is "good" or at least necessary during periods of economic downturn, that's how it's supposed to work. Times are bad, you dip into the savings a bit, times are good, you put back into the savings a bit.  IN the gov'ts case you lower debt to gdp when times are good and suffer small increases when times are bad. 

Trudeau borrowed most of his money when times were good. Think about that. 

Deficit recovery doesn't happen in a year. Please try not to be stupid. 

he massively cut spending without cutting core services.  We've already gone over your "cut healthcare" lie. 

39 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Billionaires lean towards republicans at every level of government but they lean away from Trump specifically.

So you're saying i'm right  

Oh and your sources quote themselves as the source.  Soooo  yeah, no. hilarious that you'd complain about my opinion piece and then present this sh*t

SO i say the wealthy support the dems and you ONLY include 'billionares'.  As if multi milionares aren't wealthy. 

Here you go jr.  ACTUAL research. 

Polarization of the Rich: The New Democratic Allegiance of Affluent Americans and the Politics of Redistribution | Perspectives on Politics | Cambridge Core

As the wealthy just discovered, they only have a very limited impact over the elections

And sorry, the hatred comes from the democrats. Their entire campaign was Trump is Hitler, his supporters are Nazis and bad people and deplorables and garbage etc etc that and some light giggling was their entire campaign

And Obama and the democrats Call out racism, sure, but then pretend everything is racist. Math is racist.

And yes, I have proven virtually everything you've said is incorrect. And you lie a lot, and you attempt to use figures to do it by making little changes to what was said so that it fits your narrative.

 

Sorry kid, you lose again. Next time do some actual reading instead of only trying to find confirmation bias sources

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30 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 

Trudeau borrowed most of his money when times were good. Think about that. 

Deficit recovery doesn't happen in a year. Please try not to be stupid. 

he massively cut spending without cutting core services.  We've already gone over your "cut healthcare" lie. 

 

Most of what you are saying is incorrect, and I have data to substantiate my claim, something that you always fail to do:

 

If one were to analyze the Canadian national debt, it is clear that it started to rise under the Mulroney years of 1984-93. When Chretien and the Liberal Party were elected, the debt flattened, and even receded in the first half of the 2000s.

Then Canadians elected Stephen Harper, and the Conservatives. Immediately , the national debt rose to record levels. When Justin Trudeau, and the Liberal Party took over Government in 20115, the debt receded even more so that it did under Jean Chretien's Liberals. 

Of course, like ever country in the World, the debt has risen dramatically during the COVID years, but recently has once again receded.  

source: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/canada/national-government-debt

Edited November 16, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Most of what you are saying is incorrect, and I have data to substantiate my claim, something that you always fail to do:

 

If one were to analyze the Canadian national debt, it is clear that it started to rise under the Mulroney years of 1984-93. When Chretien and the Liberal Party were elected, the debt flattened, and even receded in the first half of the 2000s.

You never have the data. You post what you claim as a data and it inevitably proves that you're wrong but let's take a look

First off, Mulroney's Debt  was Trudeau's Debt. You know begin to rack up the debt in the seventies but he also racked up massive massive amounts of inflation. And that's what led to the vast majority of the debt that accumulated between the 80s and about 1990

So still Trudeau, just a different one  

Then we have the recession. A little blip and the debt starts coming back down as harper takes us back to balanced budgets.

At that point we have balance budgets and all is well, we can continue to keep the debt relatively low. But then Trudeau begins increasing it during a time of economic prosperity.

Then covid hit and sure, 2020 was going to be a bad year.  2021... well by the end of taht it was mostly over and people were back to work. 2022, deficits went up again even tho covid is over and people are out there spending their 'covid savings'. 2023  even worse. 

Your own graphs show that what i said was entirely true. Trudeau borrowed more money than all the previous gov't combined. He started his term with a debt of about 500 billion and it's now over 1 trillion. 

Heres' a close up of his time 

Canada Government Debt

 

So there you go. 

Oh and by the way  MOST of his spending during covid was NOT on covid relief programs. 

Edited November 16, 2024 by CdnFox

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10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You never have the data. You post what you claim as a data and it inevitably proves that you're wrong but let's take a look

 

You need reading glasses. You eyesight is poor. 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Most of what you are saying is incorrect, and I have data to substantiate my claim, something that you always fail to do:

 

If one were to analyze the Canadian national debt, it is clear that it started to rise under the Mulroney years of 1984-93. When Chretien and the Liberal Party were elected, the debt flattened, and even receded in the first half of the 2000s.

Then Canadians elected Stephen Harper, and the Conservatives. Immediately , the national debt rose to record levels. When Justin Trudeau, and the Liberal Party took over Government in 20115, the debt receded even more so that it did under Jean Chretien's Liberals. 

Of course, like ever country in the World, the debt has risen dramatically during the COVID years, but recently has once again receded.  

source: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/canada/national-government-debt

oh, and I forgot. You obviously deliberately clips that chart short of this year to make it look like it receded. You claim the debt has receded but in fact it has grown

. From your own link:

Canada National Government Debt reached 1,501.0 USD bn in Mar 2024, compared with 1,423.3 USD bn in the previous year.

Chart actually reflects that but of course you cut that out because that doesn't play into your narrative. So you lied.

I know math is hard for you but that first number above is actually larger than the second number.

And your source appears to have screwed up the chart. According to my source and numerous others Government Debt in Canada increased to 1173.01 CAD Billion in 2023 from 1139.98 CAD Billion in 2022. Government. So 2023 was actually higher.

 

So yes, you provided proof that you're a liar.

In Canadian dollars the debt when Trudeau took over was 626 billion. The debt currently is 1.17 trillion. And the vast majority of that did not have anything to do with covid.

Sorry kid, you lied and trudeau stole and pocketed a tonne of money and borrowed more than every other prime minister before him. 

Edited November 16, 2024 by CdnFox

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5 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

You need reading glasses. You eyesight is poor. 

 

You need brain cells. You're thinking is poor

 

And look, once again you're giving real data and real facts and the errors in your own data are pointed out and rather than deal with it like a man you're crying like a baby and lashing out at others because you can't think your way out of a paper box as if it's my fault.

I will put this on the ever-growing pile of times when you were utterly wrong and couldn't get your shit together. It is blatantly obvious that Trudeau has spent more than every other prime minister combined in the way of debt. The evidence is irrefutable. And blaming debt racked up by Trudeau and his insane interest rates which hit as high as 20% on Mulroney is simply childish. For all but I believe two years Mulroney actually ran structural surpluses, he just couldn't deal with Trudeau's Dad or the interest on it rather.

If you're too stupid to understand this stuff ask questions, don't make claims

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1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

oh, and I forgot. You obviously deliberately clips that chart short of this year to make it look like it receded. You claim the debt has receded but in fact it has grown

GO to the site I was at...it ends in 2024, you buffoon.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

. From your own link:

Canada National Government Debt reached 1,501.0 USD bn in Mar 2024, compared with 1,423.3 USD bn in the previous year.

 

and?

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

I know math is hard for you but that first number above is actually larger than the second number.

 

Here is some math for you:

The United States national debt is 24 times that of Canada, despite having 8.7 times the population. 

Per capita, the American debt is 3x that of the Canadian debt. 

 

 

Edited November 17, 2024 by DUI_Offender