Conseil Scolaire du District Centre Sud Ouest

[Leafless]

iamcanadian2

Concerning the constitutional amendment allowing Quebec to reorganize ths school boards along linguistic lines was a '1997 amendment' "not looking at things from a post 1972 viewpoint".

The facts are there.

Check it out yourself.

I to find this discriminatory, undemocratic and breaks the back of the concept of 'official multiculturalism'.

[Michael Hardner]

My apologies. I thought you were referring to education provisions within the BNA act itself.

I reread your post and stand corrected.

[iamcanadian2]

Conseil Scolaire du District Centre Sud Ouest

http://www.csdcso.on.ca

This is the biggest of a set of French Canadian "Separatist" Public School Boards in Ontario paid for by Ontario Provincial Education Money collected from all Ontario Taxpayers equally.

They blanket the whole Province of Ontario. They serve communities by bussing children to their schools at the publics expense for 50 miles or more and each child is bussed from great distances that other Public School Board will not and cannot afford to do, everyday.

This daily bussing operation is done to maintain themselves separate from the rest of the population, like some RELIGIOUS SECT to avoid socializing with Non-French Canadians like as if the rest of us have the plague.

They are spearheaded by our French-speaking Canadian Public Servants and exists to exclusively serve and advance French Canadians Only over all others that live in the Province of Ontario.

They have no elected representatives with all individuals to Board elected posts being aclaimed to their public offices, some being also their Chief Brreaucrats the work within the organization itself.

The separatist schools operating in Ontario are built and paid to hold twice the number students they actually have. They enjoy things like bussing students free of charge from far off distances to congregrate them together and at the Ontario taxpayer's expense. With half the students per teacher than the other public school systems that are instead crowded and splilling over into portables everywhere.

Why do Non-French Canadians in Ontario continue to stand by and let their tax dollars be abused this way by a minority group in Ontario that is less than 5% of the population to let them enjoy all these extra benefits and specifically designed extra public services that also divides our citizens.

French Canadians generally work less, produce less, yet get to enjoy more benefits in government services and get it in more exclusive ways than the 95% that are Non-French Canadians.

The Non-French Canadians must stand up for their rights as the majority and stop letting French Canadians walk all over them.

French Canadians in Ontario are less important as a monirity group than the Punjabi or most of the other newer and more numerous immigrants than the decendants of the few French Canadians in this province.

Ontario's Public Educations Systems are currently as follows:

Public

Catholic

French Public

French Catholic

Every inch of Ontario has FOUR seperate publicly funded Boards of Education. The French versions are "Segragated" School Boards that requires people that use them to be already be substantially and fluidly "French Speaking Canadians" in order to have children attending the "French Public" or the "French Catholic" versions of these Segragation Schools.

It is DISCUSTING for a so called "Multicultural Country" that one culture Segragates itself from all of the others this way. The families and the children that use these illegitimate public education systems should be ashamed of themselves.

[Michael Hardner]

Ontario's Public Educations Systems are currently as follows:

Public

Catholic

French Public

French Catholic

Every inch of Ontario has FOUR seperate publicly funded Boards of Education. The French versions are "Segragated" School Boards that requires people that use them to be already be substantially and fluidly "French Speaking Canadians" in order to have children attending the "French Public" or the "French Catholic" versions of these Segragation Schools.

Can you provide a link for reference please ?

[geoffrey]

That's actually a complete lie. English kids are welcome into French emersion at almost any age, as long as they are willing to learn in French and have a basic understanding.

You wouldn't expect an English school to cater to a French kid that doesn't know any English, so why would you expect the other way around.

[Leafless]

geoffrey

You wrote- " That's a complete lie. English kids into French emmersion at almost every level and age, as long as there willinging to learn French and have a basic understanding".

The point is the U.N. ruled it is dicriminatory to publicly fund R.C. schools and not other religious denominations and besides Ontario is not an officially bilingual province.

Quebec has control over language in their schools and why should Ontario not be any different by promoting only the majority English language religion free, or provide funding for ALL religious denominations.

What good is official multiculturalism especially in a majority English province and tax payers are suppose to fund the French and their Catholic religion.

Times have progressed culturally and I think it's time to say goodbye to expensive French Catholic private denomiational schools and concentrate on the majority language of Ontario English and religion free.

If the French Catholics want their own private schools let them fully pay the bill, times have changed.

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/nov/05111803.html

[iamcanadian2]

That's actually a complete lie. English kids are welcome into French emersion at almost any age, as long as they are willing to learn in French and have a basic understanding.

You wouldn't expect an English school to cater to a French kid that doesn't know any English, so why would you expect the other way around.

It's unfortunate that most Canadians are as ignorant as you are about this.

French Emersion is what Non-French Public Schools provide to Non-French families that care for that sort of non-sense.

The Segregated French Only Seperate School Board of Ontario are for French Canadian families and for people that already speak French, so they can have their children segragated from all of the Multi-Cultural Children that attend the Public and Catholic Non-French School Systyms.

Below is the link to one of these school boards. There are links there to the other Segrated School Boards of Ontario so if you read French you should be able to find the links to othe others.

Try sending your children to these school without knowing any French and you won't understand a thing they are doing with them. Nothing they do is in English not even administrative or paperwork sent to parents.

No one who does not alrerady speak French can sent their children there for the simple reason you won't know anything that the school board is doing.

Though they can't deny anyone enrolement (just like the Catholic School system is forced to accept children from every religion that wants to sign-up) because they are publicly funded, they make it imposible in practice ON PURPOSE so that Non-French Canadians will not send their children there.

www.csdcso.on.ca

It is time that the people of Ontario started educate themselves about the corruption in our public school systems in Ontario. And this one is one of the most corrupt in so many different ways.

This is the president of the Conseil Scolaire du District du Centre Sud Ouest that hekp found the place. Ask him for yourself.

Mr. Ron Marion, President

206 Church St.

Welland, ON L3C4P2

Number (905) 732-7067

email: [email protected]

[iamcanadian2]

This thread has gotten heated on another political board http://www.canadawebpages.com/pc-forum/top...p?TOPIC_ID=5359. Though I would just refer readers there so avoid trying to post more here since there is not much interest shown on this board for this sort of thing to carry on a good conversation on.

[Leafless]

iamcanadian2

All that name calling besides their favourite trick labelling one a bigot or racist if you don't agree with French ideologies including it seems Bill-101 king of racial discrimination.

I don't know why those individuals are not banned.

Reminds me of all the antagonistic and cruel name calling (as well as being occasionally physically attacked because I was English ) I endured as a child for eight years just trying to get to my English school where I had to walk alone through a large French neighbourhood also containing French schools.

[geoffrey]

iamcanadian2

All that name calling besides their favourite trick labelling one a bigot or racist if you don't agree with French ideologies including it seems Bill-101 king of racial discrimination.

I don't know why those individuals are not banned.

Reminds me of all the antagonistic and cruel name calling (as well as being occasionally physically attacked because I was English ) I endured as a child for eight years just trying to get to my English school where I had to walk alone through a large French neighbourhood also containing French schools.

And somehow typical bully behaviour that occurs throughout the country is the responsibility of French Canadians? You don't think a French kid has even been beaten up in English Canada? Sheesh.

I don't see the problem if so many Canadians want their kids in these schools that they aren't a financial burden, to let English kids experience another language.

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Leafless don't even start, this "IamCanadian" guy has labelled all French Canadians with very pungent bigoted statements. I find him very offensive and wonder myself why he has not been banned yet.

Let's see some examples of his bigotry from this thread:

"French Canadians generally work less, produce less, yet get to enjoy more benefits in government services and get it in more exclusive ways than the 95% that are Non-French Canadians."

"This is because French Canadians everywhere relly on extra benefits and live off the government jobs and services, so they don't work as hard and are too busy having a good time."

"I don't know why anyone would want to retard their children by sending them to a french only language school. French will be a dead language in 30 years and everyone who speaks French in Canada already also speaks English even everywhere in Quebec. What a waste of education time they could spend leaning something usefull."

And some examples of his massive ignorance of reality:

"Furthermore since EVERY SINGLE French speaking Canadian speaks English perfectly, there is no need for the public to pay to teach that language any more or differently than they do with every other foreign language in Canada."

"Canada would have been a much better place today without the Bananada the French-Canadians have created with their entittlements to special distinct advantages over the 80% of Canadians who are Non-French Canadians."

"Every inch of Ontario has FOUR seperate publicly funded Boards of Education. The French versions are "Segragated" School Boards that requires people that use them to be already be substantially and fluidly "French Speaking Canadians" in order to have children attending the "French Public" or the "French Catholic" versions of these Segragation Schools." (There is no school that activitely discriminates against people, you can go to that school if you wish, and fail. Just like a French kid would fail in an English school. There is no French Canadian school that bars all non French blooded people from attending.)

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So don't even start. I'm disappointed that such Canadians exist, ones that are so thick skulled in their beliefs that they actually believe that French Canadians are an inferior type of human to their WASP group. Having children educated in another language is a great tool in developing them for future employment, both in Canada and abroad.

The French language doesn't retard people like IamCanadian wants you to believe, but any language education is a massive asset for the rest of your life.

I personally disagree with Bill 101, and many French Canadians agree with me on that point. But really, that is irrelevant to the topic at hand. French education in Ontario. And if there is demand, then why not have it there, and have kids that are less ignorant than what the education system is apparently producing currently.

[Leafless]

geoffrey

I can fully understand the frustation iamcandian2 is experiencing and what has WASP got to do with anything which I don't think he is anyways.

In many ways Quebec culture has failed and they cannot succeed even in Quebec with the language of their culture, French without federal government intervention (tax payer support).

It should be remembered they are the ones that refuse to be assimmilated even as they face unsurmountable odds concerning Quebec as an affluent successful French society in Canada and North America.

Who's fault is this, Canada's? What Quebec rights dictate that Canada is responsible for their culture and language in and out of Quebec ? They refuse to acknowledge there is no natural commercial demand for French in Canada or North America.

Forced French intervention has dictated by the federal government has affected me personally to a large degree BOTH in private industry and government.

I don't consider Canada capable of freely supporting free flowing bilingualism.

It is forced fed and therefore discriminates and works against the majority English the very people the federal government uses their funds to force Canadians to comply to the twisted standards of MAINLY the federal Liberals concerning bilingual policies and the like.

It would also be unconstitutional if the federal Liberals had not reworked the constitution in favour of Quebec without the participation of Canadians, another huge undemocratic undertaking by the federal Liberals.

[iamcanadian2]

geoffrey

Who's fault is this, Canada's? What Quebec rights dictate that Canada is responsible for their culture and language in and out of Quebec ? They refuse to acknowledge there is no natural commercial demand for French in Canada or North America.

Forced French intervention has dictated by the federal government has affected me personally to a large degree BOTH in private industry and government.

The fault is all Quebec's and French Canadians and no one else.

When immigrants come to Canada they become Eglish Speaking Canadians and not French Speaking Canadians because the Frencg Speaking Canadians do not welcome them or make attempts to turn them into French Speaking Canadians.

The French Canadian Culture is one seeking entittlements and making demands on others. They make no effort to assimilate others into their culture and in fact make every effort to not let them in.

Segragation has always been their answer and as a result they have segregated themselves to death and the culture drowned because they did not learn to swim in the common pool of society and culture.

They have always been the Racists in Canada, calling all other races racists for not bending over to them.

The Conseil Scolaire Du District Cetre Sud is a pinacle example of the type of attitude that has corrupted the French Culture in Canada and is causing its demise naturaly since it cannot be defended by force.

[Michael Hardner]

When immigrants come to Canada they become Eglish Speaking Canadians and not French Speaking Canadians because the Frencg Speaking Canadians do not welcome them or make attempts to turn them into French Speaking Canadians.

The French Canadian Culture is one seeking entittlements and making demands on others. They make no effort to assimilate others into their culture and in fact make every effort to not let them in.

Where did you get your facts ?

Quebec has the 2nd highest immigration of all the provinces, far more than any other province except BC which runs closely behind in 3rd place.

[geoffrey]

When immigrants come to Canada they become Eglish Speaking Canadians and not French Speaking Canadians because the Frencg Speaking Canadians do not welcome them or make attempts to turn them into French Speaking Canadians.

The French Canadian Culture is one seeking entittlements and making demands on others. They make no effort to assimilate others into their culture and in fact make every effort to not let them in.

Where did you get your facts ?

Quebec has the 2nd highest immigration of all the provinces, far more than any other province except BC which runs closely behind in 3rd place.

He's got no evidence for his claims, any of them. That's why I find his comments offensive. If he could back anything up between 'all French Canadians are lazy' and now 'French people don't accept others'.

With people like this in Canada, I'm completely behind the Quebecois and their want to seperate. I would too...

[iamcanadian2]

Immigrants being herded to Quebec by Immigration Policy and Administrators gontrolling the gates is not the same as French Canadians and their Culture welcoming new Immigrants and trying to turn them into more French Canadians.

French Canadian Culture does not provide the environement that tries to assimilate new immigrants to their culture. They make every effort to segragate French Speaking Canadians from all others especially our New Immigrants, claiming entittlements and demanding from all Non-french Canadians.

[Bakunin]

There is really no points in responding to iamcanadian2 but it is such offensive....

When your saying "make every effort to segragate French Speaking Canadians"

Then what do you think about unilingual english speaking school in quebec ?

[Michael Hardner]

mmigrants being herded to Quebec by Immigration Policy and Administrators gontrolling the gates is not the same as French Canadians and their Culture welcoming new Immigrants and trying to turn them into more French Canadians.

A common theme I find with these arguments is they seem to start with the belief that Quebeckers are at fault, then they work backwards.

As a case in point, bilingualism is taken as proof that Quebeckers are self-centred, and that the "French" government works in their interests only. For the immigration argument, somehow the argument switches so that the actions of the government aren't associated with the wishes of the people.

All of this is built on a foundation of anecdotal discussions about Quebeckers based on prejudices and childhood traumas.

[seabee]

Because of article 93 of the 1867 British North American constitutional act, school systems were based on religion (denomination) lines, not linguistic ones. As a consequence, in Québec, Catholic schools were, for the most part, French speaking, while Protestant schools were English speaking. Consequently, immigrants who were not catholics could not go to French-speaking schools, even if they spoke only French.

Starting in 1976, French-speaking school board in Québec started accepting non-Catholic students, on the grounds that not doing so would be illegal discrimination based on religion, according to the Québec Charter of Rights and freedoms, article 10. This was reinforced by the 1982 federal Charter.

Less than 10 years ago, there was a bi-lateral constitutional amendment, asked for by the Parti Québécois government with the unanimous approval of the Assemblée Nationale, replacing religion-based school systems with linguistic school systems.

Since, integration of new immigrants into French-speaking Québec is the norm; this is now decried in English-speaking Canada as racism.

[Leafless]

Michael Hardner

You wrote- " Quebec has the 2nd highest immigration of all the provinces, far more than except BC which runs closley behind in third place."

And why dont you tell us Quebec picks and chooses it's own immigrants many from French small African countries and other French countries and is not forced to accept the bulk of immigration like other Canadian provinces must do by the federal government and who do NOT HAVE A SAY regarding what immigrants are permitted to their provinces.

In effect the Province Quebec is being allowed to pad it's French population with French immigration in almost the same manner as an INDEPENDENT country which it is NOT and French immigrant children forced to go to French schools while being subsidzed courtesy of the Canadian tax-payer.

BTW- Quebec's use of the "notwithstandingclause" pertaining to it's use in Bill-101 or it's French Charter against the English was never meant to be ABUSED in the manner Quebec uses it.

It was apparently assumed by the authors of the Constitution Act that to abuse this overide power (NWC) would be political suicide for a government and therefore none would ever use it.

Sort of makes the Charter of rights and Freedoms a useless rag--doesn't it?

[Michael Hardner]

So they do welcome immigrants then ? Thank you for confirming my point Leafless.

This times of concessions are important if we are to get beyond Quebec bashing in these discussions.

[Leafless]

Bakunin

You wrote- " Then what do you think of unlingual school in Quebec?"

English is still by far the majority language in Canada. I didn't realize English was some little backward HICK language in Quebec.

The English PAID for many of their schools in Quebec unlike French schools in Ontario that are built and funded by the public purse.

Why shouldn't English have unilingual schools in Quebec as Canada is not a totalitarian type country and if Quebec continues to abuse English rights maybe it should be on it's merry way---out of Canada that is.

[seabee]

Québec "abuses" English rights by giving them their own school system, complete from kindergarden to post-graduate studies, with three English-speaking universities.

Rather contradictory, don't you think?

[iamcanadian2]

So they do welcome immigrants then ? Thank you for confirming my point Leafless.

This times of concessions are important if we are to get beyond Quebec bashing in these discussions.

They welcome immigrants who already speak French. This is very different than what happens in the Multi-Cultural Part of Canada where all immigrants are welcome. French have a problem with all Non-French Canadians and not just with the English Speaking kind.

[Bakunin]

Bakunin

You wrote- " Then what do you think of unlingual school in Quebec?"

English is still by far the majority language in Canada. I didn't realize English was some little backward HICK language in Quebec.

The English PAID for many of their schools in Quebec unlike French schools in Ontario that are built and funded by the public purse.

Why shouldn't English have unilingual schools in Quebec as Canada is not a totalitarian type country and if Quebec continues to abuse English rights maybe it should be on it's merry way---out of Canada that is.

Thats what i thought, the same policy will always be wrong in quebec and right evrywhere else, in other word there is no point to discuss because the problem is in your head...

[geoffrey]

So they do welcome immigrants then ? Thank you for confirming my point Leafless.

This times of concessions are important if we are to get beyond Quebec bashing in these discussions.

They welcome immigrants who already speak French. This is very different than what happens in the Multi-Cultural Part of Canada where all immigrants are welcome. French have a problem with all Non-French Canadians and not just with the English Speaking kind.

Actually you have to speak French or English to immigrate anywhere in Canada. Fancy that.