Conseil Scolaire du District Centre Sud Ouest

[iamcanadian2]

Conseil Scolaire du District Centre Sud Ouest

http://www.csdcso.on.ca

This is the biggest of a set of French Canadian "Separatist" Public School Boards in Ontario paid for by Ontario Provincial Education Money collected from all Ontario Taxpayers equally.

They blanket the whole Province of Ontario. They serve communities by bussing children to their schools at the publics expense for 50 miles or more and each child is bussed from great distances that other Public School Board will not and cannot afford to do, everyday.

This daily bussing operation is done to maintain themselves separate from the rest of the population, like some RELIGIOUS SECT to avoid socializing with Non-French Canadians like as if the rest of us have the plague.

They are spearheaded by our French-speaking Canadian Public Servants and exists to exclusively serve and advance French Canadians Only over all others that live in the Province of Ontario.

They have no elected representatives with all individuals to Board elected posts being aclaimed to their public offices, some being also their Chief Brreaucrats the work within the organization itself.

The separatist schools operating in Ontario are built and paid to hold twice the number students they actually have. They enjoy things like bussing students free of charge from far off distances to congregrate them together and at the Ontario taxpayer's expense. With half the students per teacher than the other public school systems that are instead crowded and splilling over into portables everywhere.

Why do Non-French Canadians in Ontario continue to stand by and let their tax dollars be abused this way by a minority group in Ontario that is less than 5% of the population to let them enjoy all these extra benefits and specifically designed extra public services that also divides our citizens.

French Canadians generally work less, produce less, yet get to enjoy more benefits in government services and get it in more exclusive ways than the 95% that are Non-French Canadians.

The Non-French Canadians must stand up for their rights as the majority and stop letting French Canadians walk all over them.

French Canadians in Ontario are less important as a monirity group than the Punjabi or most of the other newer and more numerous immigrants than the decendants of the few French Canadians in this province.

[seabee]

In Québec, the English Canadian population is less than 10% of the population, yet it has a complete education system from pre-school to post-doctoral universities.

The Non-English Canadians in Québec must stand up for their rights as the majority and stop letting English Canadians walk all over them.

English Canadians in Québec are generally richer than 95% of non-English Canadians in Québec; they can afford their own private school system.

[iamcanadian2]

English Canadians in Québec are generally richer than 95% of non-English Canadians in Québec; they can afford their own private school system.

This is because French Canadians everywhere relly on extra benefits and live off the government jobs and services, so they don't work as hard and are too busy having a good time.

French Canadians because of their Distinct Culture which all Canadians especially the 95% of Non-French Canadians living everywhere outside of Quebec, pay to preserve for them, work a hell of a lot less than Non-French Canadians who have a less relaxed cultire than the French-Canadians.

I doubt the Non-French Canadians in Quebec got anything by whining for it like the French do. Non-french Canadians in Quebec are treated like second class citizens under their apparthied systems.

The reason the French Canadians gave the Non-French Canadians separate schools was to segragate them, like the US did in the South with their blacks before the 60's to keep them away from contaminating their Distinct Culture. French Canadians don't want the Non-French Canadians mixing with them and that is why they force them to have separate Non-French School Systems in Quebec.

[geoffrey]

This is because French Canadians everywhere relly on extra benefits and live off the government jobs and services, so they don't work as hard and are too busy having a good time.

Wow, can we drop the sterotypes?

Firstly, not all French Canadians live in Quebec. My family is French Canadian and we live in Alberta.

Secondly, we have never used government benefits and on applications I'll never say I'm French Canadian. Most people would rather be hired on merit, even if the opportunity presents itself. Since we aren't a visable minority (besides our funny hats right? just keeping with the sterotypes), I know many of us do this.

Saying that of all people the French Canadians are a burden on society is a joke. You'll find way more of a burden in the four provinces east of Quebec.

Sorry, just not happy when people say "French Canadians everywhere relly on extra benefits and live of government jobs" and "don't work as hard."

I know my family has never held a government job, besides my Grandfather who served in the military, and no one in my family has ever used social assistance. So no, its a small group of people that have exploited the government, but no more than the fisherman on either coast, who are mostly English Canadians.

[Nocrap]

This is because French Canadians everywhere relly on extra benefits and live off the government jobs and services, so they don't work as hard and are too busy having a good time.

Wow, can we drop the sterotypes?

Firstly, not all French Canadians live in Quebec. My family is French Canadian and we live in Alberta.

Secondly, we have never used government benefits and on applications I'll never say I'm French Canadian. Most people would rather be hired on merit, even if the opportunity presents itself. Since we aren't a visable minority (besides our funny hats right? just keeping with the sterotypes), I know many of us do this.

Saying that of all people the French Canadians are a burden on society is a joke. You'll find way more of a burden in the four provinces east of Quebec.

Sorry, just not happy when people say "French Canadians everywhere relly on extra benefits and live of government jobs" and "don't work as hard."

I know my family has never held a government job, besides my Grandfather who served in the military, and no one in my family has ever used social assistance. So no, its a small group of people that have exploited the government, but no more than the fisherman on either coast, who are mostly English Canadians.

I am also French Canadian, born in New Brunswick, but lived most of my life in Ontario. My dad was a veteran of WWII, then worked to feed seven children. We were never on social assistance. The only taxpayer money I remember him getting other than CPP when he retired, was a small military pension because he was wounded in Italy. Despite lifetime back and knee problems as a result of the war, he always worked. I also take offense to the stereotyping.

As for the French schools, we have one in our community. It is called French Immersion, and is open to all residents, even those from the outlying communities that have to be bussed. Many families like to have their children complete at least one year at the school, since the exposure in an educational environment where you speak only French, is much better than just French 101. They come out of it truly bi-lingual; a definite asset in today's competitive job market.

[iamcanadian2]

As for the French schools, we have one in our community. It is called French Immersion, and is open to all residents, even those from the outlying communities that have to be bussed. Many families like to have their children complete at least one year at the school, since the exposure in an educational environment where you speak only French, is much better than just French 101. They come out of it truly bi-lingual; a definite asset in today's competitive job market.

I don't know why anyone would want to retard their children by sending them to a french only language school. French will be a dead language in 30 years and everyone who speaks French in Canada already also speaks English even everywhere in Quebec. What a waste of education time they could spend leaning something usefull.

[geoffrey]

I don't know why anyone would want to retard their children by sending them to a french only language school. French will be a dead language in 30 years and everyone who speaks French in Canada already also speaks English even everywhere in Quebec. What a waste of education time they could spend leaning something usefull.

Maybe introduction to a different culture, something that used to be called education. Obviously something an intolerant person such as yourself never receieved.

You can tell the difference between people in their one-track intolerant sterotypical world, and those that embrace other cultures as a way to diversify their background and also their critical thinking skills.

It helps to understand, perhaps, that other people live differently than yourself and have different concerns.

Where are you getting your stats, there are people in Quebec that cannot speak English. French is also equally prevalent as an offical language, tied with English, 28 countries worldwide.

[iamcanadian2]

I have no issues with other cultures or languages for the educational aspects of the language as a second languagem if someone enjoys learning extra languages.

What I am refering to is the parent who intentionally retards their own children by sending them to a French Only Language school in Ontario to learn the French Language as a First Language with all their subjects in French and then learn English as a second language.

That is the most stupid thing any parent can do to their child because English will be more important to their child when they grow up because the French Language will continues to die its natural unavoidable death like many other redundant languages.

Our government paying for this with our public tax dollars is even more stupid. If parents want to harm their childrens education, the government should not help them do it for the childrens sake. If parents want to spend their own personal money for this special education then no one can stop them.

[geoffrey]

They speak English fine. They get English classes and they are primarily English speakers at home and with friends.

Math is math whether its English or French. Same with all other subjects.

I don't see how the retardation happens??

[Riverwind]

What I am refering to is the parent who intentionally retards their own children by sending them to a French Only Language school in Ontario to learn the French Language as a First Language with all their subjects in French and then learn English as a second language.

This statement is rediculous. One of the best things you can do for a kid is give them an opportunity to learn another language when they are young. It does not really make a difference what that language is. Kids which learn multilple languages end up having better English skills than those that only learn English.

[margrace]

I have no issues with other cultures or languages for the educational aspects of the language as a second languagem if someone enjoys learning extra languages.

What I am refering to is the parent who intentionally retards their own children by sending them to a French Only Language school in Ontario to learn the French Language as a First Language with all their subjects in French and then learn English as a second language.

That is the most stupid thing any parent can do to their child because English will be more important to their child when they grow up because the French Language will continues to die its natural unavoidable death like many other redundant languages.

Our government paying for this with our public tax dollars is even more stupid. If parents want to harm their childrens education, the government should not help them do it for the childrens sake. If parents want to spend their own personal money for this special education then no one can stop them.

Obviously you have never had a 6 year old come up to the desk in the library and request something in French. When the sheepish librarian admitted that she didn't know French the child switched to perfect English. And the other librarian whose Granddaughter was sent to French immersion much against her wishes and was floored when the child interpreted a French book for her in perfect English.

Give me a break your arguments don't hold much water. How about our neighbours who speak Russian, German, French and English as well as several other languages. Doesn't seem to slow him down, he is a very rich man.

[Nocrap]

I have no issues with other cultures or languages for the educational aspects of the language as a second languagem if someone enjoys learning extra languages.

What I am refering to is the parent who intentionally retards their own children by sending them to a French Only Language school in Ontario to learn the French Language as a First Language with all their subjects in French and then learn English as a second language.

That is the most stupid thing any parent can do to their child because English will be more important to their child when they grow up because the French Language will continues to die its natural unavoidable death like many other redundant languages.

Our government paying for this with our public tax dollars is even more stupid. If parents want to harm their childrens education, the government should not help them do it for the childrens sake. If parents want to spend their own personal money for this special education then no one can stop them.

Obviously you have never had a 6 year old come up to the desk in the library and request something in French. When the sheepish librarian admitted that she didn't know French the child switched to perfect English. And the other librarian whose Granddaughter was sent to French immersion much against her wishes and was floored when the child interpreted a French book for her in perfect English.

Give me a break your arguments don't hold much water. How about our neighbours who speak Russian, German, French and English as well as several other languages. Doesn't seem to slow him down, he is a very rich man.

I know several children who have completed at least one year of French immersion, and believe me, they are anything but 'retarded'. I think it's money well spent.

[Hydraboss]

Although I am not a big fan of how the threadstarter uses his words (retarded?), I must admit that I agree with the argument that learning Quebecois French is a waste of time. They are going to start forcing kids in Alberta to take "a second language" starting in Grade 4. This means learning french, because there is not a large enough support system for a useful language like Spanish or Chinese. My daughter will have to learn this version of a language that is inherently useless, unless you want to work for the federal government. As a member of the advisory council for my school region, I and many others have been fighting tooth and nail to at least have the kids learn real french. I would of course prefer that they learn a useful language, but the federal dollars will only roll if it's french.

Shame.

[iamcanadian2]

This whole issue of "forcing" children to learn French at all is criminal.

My children speak English and my mother tounge as their second language. When they went to elementary school I met with the principal specifically to try and get my kids not to take French. A parent canno do this in Canada and is FORCED to send their kids to be Indotrinated in the French Language so they can be brainwashed into believing that French is a more important language than it is and advaance the French that is a foreign language to 95% of the people OUtside of Quenbec and even 20% inside Quebec.

Furthermore since EVERY SINGLE French speaking Canadian speaks English perfectly, there is no need for the public to pay to teach that language any more or differently than they do with every other foreign language in Canada.

French is a foreign language to 95% of Canadians living outside of Quebec and it should be treated as any other second language of Canadians.

A good start is to demiocratically disband organizations like Conseil Scolire du District Centre Sud Ouest or at least make the efforts to convince people that send their children to Isolationist Separatists schools that it is socially unaceptable to take advantage of your fellow citizens that are paying taxes even though they are not French Speaking Taxpayers.

[Riverwind]

This whole issue of "forcing" children to learn French at all is criminal.

I wonder if you are really are a francophone separatist trying to smear english canadians

Furthermore since EVERY SINGLE French speaking Canadian speaks English perfectly, there is no need for the public to pay to teach that language any more or differently than they do with every other foreign language in Canada.

Try actually travelling in Quebec sometime. You will find many unilingual francophones.

French is a foreign language to 95% of Canadians living outside of Quebec and it should be treated as any other second language of Canadians.

I am inclined to agree that restricting second language education to French is unreasonable, however, French is still a good choice in many communities.

[iamcanadian2]

I am inclined to agree that restricting second language education to French is unreasonable, however, French is still a good choice in many communities.

This is the whole problem.... It is not a choice. French is shoved down the Non-French Canadian throuts.

There are too many people here that are already bilingual (probably the majority of Canadians are bilingual, only NOT with French. Those people are discriminated against and the rights trampled upon by the French bilingual Canadians.

I move for abolishing mandatory French from the Ontario school curiculum and making French Only Language Schools private schools NOT funded by our tax dollars.

[geoffrey]

I am inclined to agree that restricting second language education to French is unreasonable, however, French is still a good choice in many communities.

This is the whole problem.... It is not a choice. French is shoved down the Non-French Canadian throuts.

There are too many people here that are already bilingual (probably the majority of Canadians are bilingual, only NOT with French. Those people are discriminated against and the rights trampled upon by the French bilingual Canadians.

I move for abolishing mandatory French from the Ontario school curiculum and making French Only Language Schools private schools NOT funded by our tax dollars.

Sounds like someone upset with their French grade, an angry student perhaps

You know what I hated... having "Language Arts" shoved down my rationally thinking throat. Too bad, thats life, and you know what... I learned something.

These people would be in public schools anyways, whats the problem with having the teacher just speak French? Doesn't cost you any extra money.

[iamcanadian2]

These people would be in public schools anyways, whats the problem with having the teacher just speak French? Doesn't cost you any extra money.

Appart from the fact that the Conseil Scolaire du District Centre Sud Ouest is corrupt and steals money from the Provincial Government for their personal whims and facies to use for other that delivering education; their whole school system is also sucking aways from regular public education funding.

Whereas the regular public schools (who BTW also have French Immersion for our Non-french Canadians who are so inclined to attend so they avoid contaminating their distinct culture) have high density classes and their schools spilling over into portables, the Conseil Scolaire has half empty schools with class sizes half the average of the rest. Their students get bussed from 50 Km away each day free of charge and at incredible expense.

Their funding is applied to speeratists ideals of goals and they are as a government there to serve only French Speaking Taxpayers and anyone else is ignored.

[geoffrey]

How does learning French make you a separtist?

[Leafless]

geoffrey

You wrote- " How does learning French make you a separatist?"

Why is Canada not officially bilingual?

Because it was rejected by Canadians.

But nevertheless the federal government still continues to forces it's dicriminatory bilingual policy (propagated by the former Liberal government) in the federal government and freely promotes the French language out of it's federal jurisdiction into primarily English provinces forcing English Canadians even cities to become bilingual.

With English and French being 'official languages' paves the way for French to be educated and paid for by provincial tax payers to support their separate French schools in primarily English provinces and French emmersion in English schools with provinces like Ontario further forced by the 'French services Act' to provide a wide assortment of tax payer services.

So in fact even though 'official bilingualism' was rejected it is being implemented whether English Canadians 'like it or not' and for no specific pupose since Canada is commercially English and French is not required or needed in any province outside of Quebec.

Separatist sentiments cannot help being padded by the discriminatory actions of the federal government and provinces like Ontario for bending to the whims for costly useless bilingualism.

[geoffrey]

I'm with you on bilingualism.

But by the same token, we should be barring Spanish instruction from our schools too then, I mean, why fund a group of students that want to learn something??

[Leafless]

geoffrey

You wrote- ' Iam with you on bilingualism. but by the same token, we should be barring Spanish instruction from our schools too then, I mean why fund a group of students who want to learn something."

Your original inquiry was "how does learning French make you a separatist".

Your current reply does not address that separatist question but leans on 'bilingualism" but not relating to being part of separatist ideologies but rather with the emphasis on 'learning'.

I doubt very much if Spanish is taught in any Canadian primary or public school at tax payers expense.

But if private schools are offering foreign language instruction --fine, as you are paying for it and not the public and is not part of a discriminatory, offensive minority movement.

[Michael Hardner]

I doubt very much if Spanish is taught in any Canadian primary or public school at tax payers expense.

But if private schools are offering foreign language instruction --fine, as you are paying for it and not the public and is not part of a discriminatory, offensive minority movement.

My father taught a unit of Spanish in a small town high school because there were enough students that wanted to take it. It was done as part of the public school system.

I'm trying (again) to figure out what you're getting at.

There's nothing wrong with learning for its own sake. The very act of learning another language gives students perspective and skills they wouldn't have otherwise.

Many high school students take art, drama, music, ancient history, algebra and other courses that they will never need in adult life.

Should we be teaching them how to use a photocopier instead ?

[Leafless]

Michael Harner

You wrote- " My father taught a unit of spanish in a small town because there were enough students who wanted to take it. It was done as part of the public school system."

Actually learning Spanish or for that matter Chinese makes more sense than learning French. These languages are more prominent on the world stage.

You also wrote- " Iam trying to fiqure out what you're getting at."

You can learn what you want.

The point is for years an artifical demand has being created pertaining to the French language especially relating to employment in the federal public service and spread and promoted federally into provinces and cities in a very discriminatory manner.

Obliterating English and associated jobs to accomodate minority French when the provinces are not officially bilingual is carring on the battle of 'the plains of abraham" federally promoted is a bit extreme wouldn't you think?

[seabee]

Is carring on the battle of 'the plains of abraham" federally promoted is a bit extreme wouldn't you think?

Perhaps it would be more appropriate to refer to the 20 april 1760 battle of Sainte-Foy.