Palestinian activists in Canada celebrate Hamas on Oct 7 anniversary

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3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Yes it was stupid Carter who brought these murders to power but that was half a century ago.

It was the brutality of the Shah that led to the Iranian Revolution and it was Operation Ajax that led to the Shah.

It was Eisenhower's stupidity that led to Operation Ajax. Blaming Carter for what grew out of this root cause is like acting as if Oct 7 is when the ME Conflict started.

The Shiniest Beacon on the planet for democracy and freedom overthrew a democratically elected government and installed a dictator. This should be as shocking and disgraceful to people as a priest raping a child is. We know full well how long lasting and life altering this behaviour can be and you do too by reminding people it is the regime in Iran that is the problem not ordinary Iranians.

Please don't tell me your hope is to see a return of the Shah because if you do then you still don't get it either. 

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9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It was the brutality of the Shah that led to the Iranian Revolution and it was Operation Ajax that led to the Shah.

It was Eisenhower's stupidity that led to Operation Ajax. Blaming Carter for what grew out of this root cause is like acting as if Oct 7 is when the ME Conflict started.

The Shiniest Beacon on the planet for democracy and freedom overthrew a democratically elected government and installed a dictator. This should be as shocking and disgraceful to people as a priest raping a child is. We know full well how long lasting and life altering this behaviour can be and you do too by reminding people it is the regime in Iran that is the problem not ordinary Iranians.

Please don't tell me your hope is to see a return of the Shah because if you do then you still don't get it either. 

Nonsense. Compared to these satanic bastards, the ruling Islamic clergy who murder women and children on streets for asking for their rights and equality and torture and rape in jails and rule by terror and executions, the Shah was an angel. This is why a good majority of Iranians now are asking and hoping for the return of his dynasty. During his rule, Iran was modernized and Iranians prosper. It was the coalition of the communists and black fanatical Islamists who overthrew him in a coup and then took a nation hostage and since then kill and torture anyone who even slightly oppose them. They have created a nation whose majority is living in poverty and a country at war with the whole world ever since.

I am talking about 1979 not 1953. But if you wish to talk about 1953, it was Dr. Mossadegh who did the coup first not the Shah. The King ordered him to step down from his post and he had the constitutional right to do so, but Dr. Mossadegh refused and arrested officers loyal to the Shah. Then the nation tired of blockage and bad economy poured into streets and demanded the return of the Shah. The CIA helped the people on that day to organize and paid some officers to back up the crowd.

You are missing the important point. If the West was responsible for creating the Islamic Republic, then the West is now responsible to remove this cancer and save the world, Canada included.

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3 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

the Shah was an angel

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3 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

You are missing the important point. If the West was responsible for creating the Islamic Republic, then the West is now responsible to remove this cancer and save the world, Canada included.

Correct. I've been saying the exact same thing for years.

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24 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It was Eisenhower's stupidity that led to Operation Ajax. Blaming Carter for what grew out of this root cause is like acting as if Oct 7 is when the ME Conflict started.

preventing the Soviets from seizing the Persian oil fields for 26 years was hardly stupidity

particularly as the Iranian Revolution also blocked the Soviets from seizing control of those fields

tho Jimmy Carter was indeed unfairly scapegoated for being weak in the face of both the Soviets & Iran

when in fact Jimmy Carter was a vehemently Anti-Communist died in the wool Cold War Hawk

and although it failed,

Operation Eagle Claw was an attempt to execute the most audacious hostage rescue in military history

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3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

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Correct. I've been saying the exact same thing for years.

We agree on one historic fact. The West screwed Iran and the nation of Iran who are living under Islamic Nazis/terrorists. Our only difference is that you say it was 1953 and I say it was 1979. The reality is that it was in both occasions. But our point is that since the West is responsible for creating Frankenstein monster , then the West is responsible for removing this monster now before it is too late and we all (and our children) pay a heavy price with our lives.

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1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

preventing the Soviets from seizing the Persian oil fields for 26 years was hardly stupidity

The means by which this was done was not just stupid it was disgraceful...like a priest fu king a little kid.

The worst effect of Operation Ajax was on the US, it emboldened them to do the same thing in several other countries around the world and one look at the buffet of dictators we now have around the planet.

America knew better than to behave this way but it did anyways.

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8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

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Correct. I've been saying the exact same thing for years.

I said the Shah was an angle COMPARED to these satanic murderous bastards who shoot unarmed women and children. Please don't half-quote/misquote me to win a debate.

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8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

preventing the Soviets from seizing the Persian oil fields for 26 years was hardly stupidity

particularly as the Iranian Revolution also blocked the Soviets from seizing control of those fields

tho Jimmy Carter was indeed unfairly scapegoated for being weak in the face of both the Soviets & Iran

when in fact Jimmy Carter was a vehemently Anti-Communist died in the wool Cold War Hawk

 

Prevented the Soviets from seizing the Persian Gulf oil fields.

The Soviets were already blocked by fifth strongest army in the world (the imperial army of Iran) backed by US.

The peanut brain Carter lost Afghanistan to Soviets too, not only Iran. 

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3 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

We agree on one historic fact. The West screwed Iran and the nation of Iran who are living under Islamic Nazis/terrorists. Our only difference is that you say it was 1953 and I say it was 1979. The reality is that it was in both occasions. But our point is that since the West is responsible for creating Frankenstein monster , then the West is responsible for removing this monster now before it is too late and we all (and our children) pay a heavy price with our lives.

Unfortunately, I think the west is just too dishonest a broker now to credibly slay this beast.

The only way out of the quagmire that I see is a grand truth and reconciliation process with massive reparations starting up front.

And failing that another world war.

I suppose the west could attempt to take over the planet and force it's brand of freedom democracy and liberty on everyone - give the world domination thing the old college try but this time be open and honest about it. Sneaking around and trying to do it on the sly the way the CIA did only made things worse. So worse that...well look around the world at the result.

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5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

 it emboldened them to do the same thing in several other countries around the world

all to the advantage of America which went on to win the Cold War to become the unipolar Hegemon

meanwhile, Iran is an isolated hermit kingdom desperately trying to repress an internal revolt

which,  despite its vast oil reserves, only has a per capita GDP of $4600 USD

which is in essence a Third World Country therein

 

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10 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I said the Shah was an angle COMPARED to these satanic murderous bastards who shoot unarmed women and children. Please don't half-quote/misquote me to win a debate.

What you're also saying is that two wrongs make a right. It doesn't, it never has and it never will.

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5 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The peanut brain Carter lost Afghanistan to Soviets too, not only Iran. 

America never had Afghanistan in the first place

the sequence of events was as follows

Afghanistan was a creation of the British Empire ruled by a monarchy therein

Afghanistan then had a socialist revolution in 1973 led by Muhhamed Doud Khan

the Carter Administration then baited the Soviets to invade

by covertly supporting the Mujaheddin against the Socialist regime in Kabul

this then turned out to be a catastrophe for the Soviets accelerating their downfall

all as payback for the Soviets supporting the North Vietnamese in the Vietnam War

mission accomplished therein

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I honestly can't think of any greater evil or crime against humanity than siccing a dictator on a civilian population. Especially when you know better.

And America did know better, just go ask Truman.

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20 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The Soviets were already blocked by fifth strongest army in the world (the imperial army of Iran) backed by US.

but that was only because General Eisenhower prevented the Soviet proxy Mossadegh from seizing control

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3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

And America did know better, just go ask Truman.

but the Truman Administration were the first Cold Warriors

supporting the right wing dictatorship in South Korea

backing the overthrow of Communist regimes in Greece, Albania, Syria & Costa Rica

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13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I honestly can't think of any greater evil or crime against humanity than siccing a dictator on a civilian population. Especially when you know better.

no quarter, no mercy, no succour for Marxist Leninist Communism

Eagle with thunderbolts in talons grasped

set upon the enemies of the Glorious Union

like the righteous fury of an Old Testament Lord

on Sherman's March to the sea

 

 

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1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

 The West screwed Iran and the nation of Iran who are living under Islamic Nazis/terrorists.

but Iran is not of the West

Iran is in fact the East, literally by definition, dating back to Xerxes I in 486 BC

Persia is not Western and never has been

hence why it is endlessly ruled by repressive theological regimes of various stripes

Iran in real time is the Woke Progressive Feminist Communists trying to overthrow the Shia Islamist's

and failing miserably therein

the only concern for Western civilization is the threat that Iran poses to Israel

wherein the West could ultimately be forced to bomb Iran back into the stone age

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

 

The only way out of the quagmire that I see is a grand truth and reconciliation process with massive reparations starting up front.

And failing that another world war.

 

Absolutely not. It is clear you don't know the Islamic Republic leaders. They lie and trick. It has been proven again and again that the policy of appeasement and negotiation with the devil does not pay off. While they signed a nuclear agreement with the West they continuously cheated and developed nuclear technology in secret every day. Israel had to cyber attack the nuclear facilities and kill their scientists just to delay them getting the nuclear weapons while the West was sleeping. 

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

What you're also saying is that two wrongs make a right. It doesn't, it never has and it never will.

No the Shah was not wrong for Iran 50 years ago when the majority population was literate and religious fanatism was strong covering 90% of population. 40,s 50's and 60's the whole world with the exception of few were under dictatorship. Most of Europe, the entire central and South America, Entire Asia even progressive nations such as Eastern Europeans and Germany were under dictatorships. At that time you wanted democracy in a third world religious country such as Iran.

Iranians prospered under his rule. Free health and education by mid 70's. Total equality for women and religious minorities in an Islamic country (the first of its kind). Total social freedom with night clubs serving alcohol and rapidly building economy and industry. COMPARE with these murderous bastards that they only expanded the cemeteries and prisons and weapons of mass destruction while giving the money away to the enemies of Iran, the Arabs while the nation of Iran lives in poverty. 

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30 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

but Iran is not of the West

Iran is in fact the East, literally by definition, dating back to Xerxes I in 486 BC

Persia is not Western and never has been

hence why it is endlessly ruled by repressive theological regimes of various stripes

Iran in real time is the Woke Progressive Feminist Communists trying to overthrow the Shia Islamist's

 

I didn't say Iran is West. I said the West screwed up in Iran and as a result they have now created a Frankenstein monster who is rapidly developing weapons of mass destruction and means to deliver them all over the world with a stupid ideology that they die for their God and be in heaven till eternity and kill their enemies in the process (and everyone except fanatical Shiite muslims is their enemy). So it is their responsibility to help Israel and remove this cancerous organ because they created it. Carter sent his general to Iran one month before revolution to help out revolutionaries and transfer the power from the Shah to mullahs.

Edited October 10, 2024 by CITIZEN_2015

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3 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I didn't say Iran is West. I said the West screwed up in Iran and as a result they have now created a Frankenstein monster who is rapidly developing weapons of mass destruction and means to deliver them all over the world with a stupid ideology that they die for their God and be in heaven till eternity and kill their enemies in the process (and everyone except fanatical Shiite muslims is their enemy). So it is their responsibility to help Israel and remove this cancerous organ because they created it.

I reject the idea that the West is responsible for the state of affairs in Iran

no Western country imposed the Shia Islamic Revolution upon Iran, quite the opposite

Iran is after all 95% Shia and the vast majority are ultra conservative therein

so I would suggest that they have imposed this faith upon themselves, fanatically, of their own free will

 

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1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

no quarter, no mercy, no succour for Marxist Leninist Communism

And you whine and complain about it taking over Ottawa.

What are you waiting for, a Canadian Operation Ajax?

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29 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

No the Shah was not wrong for Iran

Then why did it take 60 years for the US to admit to overthrowing Mossadegh?

No courage or conviction is why and someone must have felt ashamed.

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1 minute ago, eyeball said:

And you whine and complain about it taking over Ottawa.

What are you waiting for, a Canadian Operation Ajax?

not sure what you mean

the cohort taking over Ottawa is the Marxist Leninist Communist traitors in cahoots with the Islamic Jihadists

while I only serve His Majesty King Charles III, Sovereign, Head of State & Commander in Chief

agnostic servant of the British Crown in North America

like my great grandfather before me upon Vimy Ridge

with 72nd ( Overseas ) Battalion, The Seaforth Highlanders of Canada

Cuidich 'n Righ

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41 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Absolutely not. It is clear you don't know the Islamic Republic leaders. They lie and trick.

All dictators do and so did the US.