Goodbye, Tampa Bay...

[User]

18 hours ago, herbie said:

FEMA Pauses Aid in North Carolina Amid Armed Militia Threat

https://www.newsweek.com/fema-responds-armed-militia-threat-north-carolina-hurricane-helene-milton-1968590

More politics. Now they are punishing people and withholding aid. They create and then leak these internal memo's to make this a news cycle item. 

If there is a threat, send in LEO to deal with it and protect people. 

They get to play this dumb game now, where they can pretend there is some threat, generate all this media controversy around it, but nothing ever happens and nothing is ever done to anyone. 

 

 

[herbie]

No, the "politics" is in claiming they're with holding aid.

A total f*cking lie. That some people are so stupid they believe it and gather fellow m0rons into militias. In this specific incident a self-fulfilling prophecy they brought on themselves.

[User]

10 minutes ago, herbie said:

No, the "politics" is in claiming they're with holding aid.

They can both be political things. It is not an either / or. 

11 minutes ago, herbie said:

A total f*cking lie. That some people are so stupid they believe it and gather fellow m0rons into militias. In this specific incident a self-fulfilling prophecy they brought on themselves.

See, there it is. You want to punish people. You are part of the problem, part of the sickness that has corrupted the political system. You want to leverage the power of government over people to punish them instead of helping them during a natural disaster. 

 

[herbie]

What a dumb twat conclusion. Nobody is or has been punished nor have I even remotely suggested they be.

If any punishment is due it is to lying pigs like Trump suggesting that aid is being withheld. And to repeat the m0rons that believe the excrement that spews from his mouth.

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6 hours ago, User said:

More politics. Now they are punishing people and withholding aid. They create and then leak these internal memo's to make this a news cycle item. 

If there is a threat, send in LEO to deal with it and protect people. 

They get to play this dumb game now, where they can pretend there is some threat, generate all this media controversy around it, but nothing ever happens and nothing is ever done to anyone. 

 

 

So the threats against Dr Fauci, Soros, and others were just "politics?"

1 hour ago, User said:

 

See, there it is. You want to punish people. You are part of the problem, part of the sickness that has corrupted the political system. You want to leverage the power of government over people to punish them instead of helping them during a natural disaster. 

 

^ Gaslighting 101

[User]

6 hours ago, herbie said:

What a dumb twat conclusion. Nobody is or has been punished nor have I even remotely suggested they be.

You said:

"In this specific incident a self-fulfilling prophecy they brought on themselves."

 

5 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

So the threats against Dr Fauci, Soros, and others were just "politics?"

Where do you get this question from?

Anyone in the public spotlight like they were gets death threats. It is not just politics, just a sad reality. That doesn't mean you shut services down to punish people to play politics. 

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13 minutes ago, User said:

 

Anyone in the public spotlight like they were gets death threats. It is not just politics, just a sad reality. That doesn't mean you shut services down to punish people to play politics. 

You and I both know the situation is completely different. Fauci's whole family (children) were getting threats, and it was exponentially highers than any celebrity. Arguing with this, is disingenuous. 

[User]

3 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

You and I both know the situation is completely different. Fauci's whole family (children) were getting threats, and it was exponentially highers than any celebrity. Arguing with this, is disingenuous. 

What situation is completely different?

I have been involved in politics for a long time now and have seen crazy Democrats camped outside the home of folks at the State level threatening the family members of a politician. 

The point was, that threats happen, that doesn't mean you play politics and shut down services to punish people. 

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2 hours ago, User said:

 

The point was, that threats happen, that doesn't mean you play politics and shut down services to punish people. 

So why is Trump threatening places like California? Why is he demonising people like FEMA, which has provided disaster relief to communities for decades? The workers in FEMA are now getting threats. We are talking about regular people who are brought in to help people in crisis.  That is not normal, and it kills morale, when a person takes a job that is meant to help the community. 

[User]

6 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

So why is Trump threatening places like California?

Need more specifics. 

6 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Why is he demonising people like FEMA, which has provided disaster relief to communities for decades?

Need more specifics. Government agencies are open to criticism and how they are run is open to criticism. 

What does this have to do with anything?

6 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

The workers in FEMA are now getting threats.

OK. We have been discussing this. Did you have a further point?

6 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

We are talking about regular people who are brought in to help people in crisis.  That is not normal, and it kills morale, when a person takes a job that is meant to help the community. 

Who is making these threats? Where are they coming from? 

The point is that vague threats are going to happen. You deal with them. You don't punish people and play politics by making it some big deal it is not. 

 

[herbie]

15 hours ago, User said:

In this specific incident a self-fulfilling prophecy they brought on themselves."

Which is exactly the case. If they didn't threaten FEMA contractors they wouldn't have pulled them out, would they?

[User]

8 minutes ago, herbie said:

Which is exactly the case. If they didn't threaten FEMA contractors they wouldn't have pulled them out, would they?

"they" brought on themselves.

The "they" you are punishing here is not the same "they" that threatened FEMA. 

Nice try, just own what you said. 

[herbie]

 

[Aristides]

What a f*cked up country. Who the hell would want to go into disaster relief when they know someone will put them in danger just to play politics.

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2 hours ago, Aristides said:

What a f*cked up country. Who the hell would want to go into disaster relief when they know someone will put them in danger just to play politics.

I don't understand the point of threatening workers that are trying to provide aid and resources for communities affected by natural disasters.  It's mind blowing what types of disinformation gullible people will believe.

[Aristides]

50 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I don't understand the point of threatening workers that are trying to provide aid and resources for communities affected by natural disasters.  It's mind blowing what types of disinformation gullible people will believe.

It's even more mind blowing that people will make excuses for them.

[User]

4 hours ago, Aristides said:

What a f*cked up country. Who the hell would want to go into disaster relief when they know someone will put them in danger just to play politics.

Yeah, what a f*cked up administration that is going to punish people and play politics by withholding aid to their community.

[Aristides]

2 minutes ago, User said:

Yeah, what a f*cked up administration that is going to punish people and play politics by withholding aid to their community.

Those kinds of accusations are exactly what I mean. 

[User]

9 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Those kinds of accusations are exactly what I mean. 

Not an accusation. They pulled the aid. The made it a big deal by making sure the media knew about it too. That is playing politics. 

 

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5 minutes ago, User said:

Not an accusation. They pulled the aid. The made it a big deal by making sure the media knew about it too. That is playing politics. 

 

They pulled the workers out, since they were receiving death threats, so it obviously was for their own safety. When emergency rescue workers are threatened with physical harm, from a bunch of conspiracy kooks, it tends to make it to the news. It's really no different than those Sandy Hook conspiracy kooks, who were threatening the families of the murdered children. Or are you going to defend them too?

Edited October 18, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[User]

3 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

They pulled the workers out, since they were receiving death threats, so it obviously was for their own safety. When emergency rescue workers are threatened with physical harm, from a bunch of conspiracy kooks, it tends to make it to the news. It's really no different than those Sandy Hook conspiracy kooks, who were threatening the families of the murdered children. Or are you going to defend them too?

The report cited here was that some National Guardsman heard a "militia" saying they were hunting FEMA. This was relayed on and FEMA pulled their air workers. 

No threats were reported as being made directly to FEMA employees, they were not receiving death threats, no one was threatened with physical harm. 

It was an internal memo leaked to the press. 

I am not defending anyone here, I am pointing out this is a complete over reaction to play politics by making sure the press knew support was being pulled because of this threat. 

[Aristides]

16 minutes ago, User said:

Not an accusation. They pulled the aid. The made it a big deal by making sure the media knew about it too. That is playing politics. 

 

They pulled it because of threats that are a result of the kind of BS coming from your dear leader. Your back assed logic has you blaming the people who have been threatened. Your country is tearing itself apart, which is very concerning for your neighbours and allies. 

8 minutes ago, User said:

The report cited here was that some National Guardsman heard a "militia" saying they were hunting FEMA. This was relayed on and FEMA pulled their air workers. 

No threats were reported as being made directly to FEMA employees, they were not receiving death threats, no one was threatened with physical harm. 

It was an internal memo leaked to the press. 

I am not defending anyone here, I am pointing out this is a complete over reaction to play politics by making sure the press knew support was being pulled because of this threat. 

Why wouldn't they take a warning from the National Guard seriously?

[User]

6 minutes ago, Aristides said:

They pulled it because of threats that are a result of the kind of BS coming from your dear leader. Your back assed logic has you blaming the people who have been threatened. Your country is tearing itself apart, which is very concerning for your neighbours and allies. 

Ah yes, here you are playing the political game they want. 

Trump did not cause this. 

I am blaming the leadership and this administration, not the FEMA front line workers. Nice try. Yet again, more politics being played here. 

If it is of such a concern to you, then why are you on here fanning the flames?

[Aristides]

27 minutes ago, User said:

Ah yes, here you are playing the political game they want. 

Trump did not cause this. 

I am blaming the leadership and this administration, not the FEMA front line workers. Nice try. Yet again, more politics being played here. 

If it is of such a concern to you, then why are you on here fanning the flames?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2024/10/08/fema-blasts-misinformation-the-campaign-to-politicize-hurricane-helene-explained/

 

Meanwhile Trump threatened to withhold aid to California during wildfires.

https://www.ktvu.com/news/trump-says-hed-withhold-federal-aid-california-wildfires-elected-insults-newsom

[Deluge]

On 10/8/2024 at 5:47 AM, Chrissy1979 said:

What happened to all the "climate change is a hoax" people?

Still here. 

This looks more like wrath of God stuff. Must be too many democrats in TB.