The Leftard Cultist Talking Point of the Century

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Again you claimed I said Jews were a race, but of course you have no proof.

But onto the bold, as I said and all my sources how, you cannot separate the living space angle from the belief in German racial superiority. It's baked in.

lmao

So not an actual government policy of Imperial Germany.

Meanwhile, your same link says this about the application of this philosophy by the Nazis:

Once again, your own source undermines your point. You absolutely f*cking suck at this.

Every source I've provided has shown that the racial aspect was a central component of the Nazi's philosophy. Every source you've provided has shown that the racial aspect was a central component of the Nazi's philosophy. The Nazis themselves said that the racial aspect was a central component of the Nazi's philosophy. And yet here you sit insisting that the racial aspect was merely tangential and not because you believe it, but because admitting you were wrong about something you've argued for for such a long time (to the point of engaging in a little light Holocaust denial) would be too much for your sad, fragile little ego to handle. You are truly one of the saddest characters I've ever encountered online.

Pitiful stuff.

The harder you big wine and cry the more obvious it is that you know you're wrong but you're broken inside  

Lebensraum is a expansionist policy not a racial one. Of course they can be separated, the germans in world war I separated it when it was policy then

Every source that you have presented has actually said that the racial element is minimal. The primary goals was the expansion of the empire and the seizure of resources for growth, the next issue was ethnic cleansing in order to make room for people which mostly involved killing the Jews, And no matter how much you try and dance around this JEWS ARE NOT A RACE. 

When you look at the amount of energy and effort that went into the war and what they attempted to achieve and what the goal was the whole ratio element is tiny. And killing the races they don't like was not the purpose of starting that war at all. The purpose of starting that war was to expand the empire  

Sorry kiddo. You're still wrong and no matter how many times you repeat it you're still going to be wrong. History isn't going to change just because you're having a difficult time coping with it emotionally.

While they were very racist, the Majority of the Nazis actual policies had nothing to do with race

[Black Dog]

43 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The harder you big wine and cry the more obvious it is that you know you're wrong but you're broken inside  

Aw sweetie, no/

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Lebensraum is a expansionist policy not a racial one. Of course they can be separated, the germans in world war I separated it when it was policy then

Every source that you have presented has actually said that the racial element is minimal.

No source actually says that. They all say literally the opposite.

1. "Hitler's strategic program for Greater Germany was based on the belief in the power of Lebensraum, especially when pursued by a racially superior society. People deemed to be part of non-Aryan races, within the territory of Lebensraum expansion, were subjected to expulsion or destruction. The eugenics of Lebensraum assumed it to be the right of the German Aryan master race (Herrenvolk) to remove the indigenous people in the name of their own living space. "

2. "Racism usually is not a concept integral to the ideology of territorial expansionism; nor to the original meaning of the term Lebensraum ("biological habitat"), as defined by the ethnographer and geographer Friedrich Ratzel. Nonetheless, Nazism, the ideology of the Nazi Party, established racism as a philosophic basis of Lebensraum-as-geopolitics; which Adolf Hitler presented as Nazi racist ideology in his political autobiography Mein Kampf (1926–28). Moreover, the geopolitical interpretations of national living-space by the academic Karl Haushofer (a teacher of Rudolf Hess, Hitler's deputy) provided Adolf Hitler with the intellectual, academic, and scientific rationalisations that justified the territorial expansion of Germany—by the natural right of the German Aryan race—to expand into, occupy, and exploit the lands of other countries, regardless of the native populations."

3. "The plan, prepared in the years 1939–1942, was part of Adolf Hitler's and the Nazi movement's Lebensraum policy and a fulfilment of the Drang nach Osten (English: Drive towards the East) ideology of German expansion to the east, both of them part of the larger plan to establish the New Order. More than economic calculations, ideological fanaticism and racism played a central role in Nazi regime's implementation of extermination programs such as the GPO."

You can stop losing whenever you want, loser.

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The primary goals was the expansion of the empire and the seizure of resources for growth, the next issue was ethnic cleansing in order to make room for people which mostly involved killing the Jews,

It's baffling that you think these are separate and distinct things and not interrelated goals. Logically you cannot have a plan for seizing territory and colonizing it with your own people without dealing with the existing population.

Oh hey btw I noticed you didn't provide a cite for your claim that they had plans to genocide the French and English, what happened to that? B!tchmade loser.

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And no matter how much you try and dance around this JEWS ARE NOT A RACE. 

WHO CARES!

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When you look at the amount of energy and effort that went into the war and what they attempted to achieve and what the goal was the whole ratio element is tiny. And killing the races they don't like was not the purpose of starting that war at all. The purpose of starting that war was to expand the empire  

oh look more Holocaust denial. Looks like you and fiveofSwords have something in common.

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Sorry kiddo. You're still wrong and no matter how many times you repeat it you're still going to be wrong. History isn't going to change just because you're having a difficult time coping with it emotionally.

While they were very racist, the Majority of the Nazis actual policies had nothing to do with race

 

Stay down, loser.

Edited October 25, 2024 by Black Dog

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Aw sweetie, no/

No source actually says that. They all say literally the opposite.

1. "Hitler's strategic program for Greater Germany was based on the belief in the power of Lebensraum, especially when pursued by a racially superior society. People deemed to be part of non-Aryan races, within the territory of Lebensraum expansion, were subjected to expulsion or destruction. The eugenics of Lebensraum assumed it to be the right of the German Aryan master race (Herrenvolk) to remove the indigenous people in the name of their own living space. "

2. "Racism usually is not a concept integral to the ideology of territorial expansionism; nor to the original meaning of the term Lebensraum ("biological habitat"), as defined by the ethnographer and geographer Friedrich Ratzel. Nonetheless, Nazism, the ideology of the Nazi Party, established racism as a philosophic basis of Lebensraum-as-geopolitics; which Adolf Hitler presented as Nazi racist ideology in his political autobiography Mein Kampf (1926–28). Moreover, the geopolitical interpretations of national living-space by the academic Karl Haushofer (a teacher of Rudolf Hess, Hitler's deputy) provided Adolf Hitler with the intellectual, academic, and scientific rationalisations that justified the territorial expansion of Germany—by the natural right of the German Aryan race—to expand into, occupy, and exploit the lands of other countries, regardless of the native populations."

3. "The plan, prepared in the years 1939–1942, was part of Adolf Hitler's and the Nazi movement's Lebensraum policy and a fulfilment of the Drang nach Osten (English: Drive towards the East) ideology of German expansion to the east, both of them part of the larger plan to establish the New Order. More than economic calculations, ideological fanaticism and racism played a central role in Nazi regime's implementation of extermination programs such as the GPO."

You can stop losing whenever you want, loser.

It's baffling that you think these are separate and distinct things and not interrelated goals. Logically you cannot have a plan for seizing territory and colonizing it with your own people without dealing with the existing population.

Oh hey btw I noticed you didn't provide a cite for your claim that they had plans to genocide the French and English, what happened to that? B!tchmade loser.

WHO CARES!

oh look more Holocaust denial. Looks like you and fiveofSwords have something in common.

Stay down, loser.

You literally just provided proof you're wrong. 

Lets take one example. 

Hitler's strategic program for Greater Germany was based on the belief in the power of Lebensraum, especially when pursued by a racially superior society

The power of lebensraum!!! - not 'the power of racism!  Lebensraum which had been around for 40 years at that point! Which had been policy under ww1!  Lebensraum which was AN EXPANSIONIST POLICY!!!!!!!

 so not racism.  

But -  "especially" when pursued by a racially superior society"   So - it tied into their racism nicely but it wasn't ABOUT racism, it was about libensraum.  Creating living room and expanding the empire. 

Which is exactly what I've said a dozen times now LOLOLOLOL

You literally just proved that what I said three pages ago is exactly what is true   

You actually posted that you're wrong and that I'm right - seriously what the hell is the matter with you LOL 

It is absolutely hilarious to watch you. I claim that lebensraum Is an expansionist policy that happened to tie in well with their racist beliefs.  You say no! Not true!!! Nein!!!!!  in reality it was.... (wait for it)....  an expansionist policy that happened to tie in well with their racist beliefs.

AHHHHHAAHHAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!    

I'm honestly having a little trouble breathing I have a laughing so hard to you  

Well thanks for the additional confirmation that I was right. I mean I posted proof before but sure, a little backup never hurts  

I honestly can't get over how funny you are

[Black Dog]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You literally just provided proof you're wrong. 

Lets take one example. 

Hitler's strategic program for Greater Germany was based on the belief in the power of Lebensraum, especially when pursued by a racially superior society

The power of lebensraum!!! - not 'the power of racism!  

And what do the next two sentences say, stupid?

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lebensraum which had been around for 40 years at that point! Which had been policy under ww1!  Lebensraum which was AN EXPANSIONIST POLICY!!!!!!!

No one has argued it wasn't, stupid.  Do you think that's what this has been about? 

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But -  "especially" when pursued by a racially superior society"   So - it tied into their racism nicely but it wasn't ABOUT racism, it was about libensraum.  Creating living room and expanding the empire. 

Why did they want to expand the empire? Why did they want to expand east instead of west? What were their plans for the people already living there? You can't answer any of these fundamental questions without coming back to their racial beliefs. Because that was their prime motivation and justification for the whole thing.

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Which is exactly what I've said a dozen times now LOLOLOLOL

You literally just proved that what I said three pages ago is exactly what is true   

You actually posted that you're wrong and that I'm right - seriously what the hell is the matter with you LOL 

Literally everything I've posted has proven you wrong and shown that the Nazis' racial beliefs were central role to their expansionist policies and now you're reduced to "nuh uh" denials. Pathetic.

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It is absolutely hilarious to watch you. I claim that lebensraum Is an expansionist policy that happened to tie in well with their racist beliefs.  You say no! Not true!!! Nein!!!!!  in reality it was.... (wait for it)....  an expansionist policy that happened to tie in well with their racist beliefs.

Where does it say that in any of the citations I've provided? I'll tell you: nowhere.

You have the reading comprehension and logic faculties of a mushroom. The evidence here shows it doesn't "happen to tie into" their racial beliefs but that those beliefs were the driving force, the main plank undergirding the whole enterprise. I mean, it's all right there in bits I bolded for you to try and spoon feed you. But I guess it didn't help on account of you being a dishonest sack of shit.

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AHHHHHAAHHAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!    

I'm honestly having a little trouble breathing I have a laughing so hard to you  

Well thanks for the additional confirmation that I was right. I mean I posted proof before but sure, a little backup never hurts  

I honestly can't get over how funny you are

 

Oh look you're doing the meme again.

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Black Dog said:

And what do the next two sentences say, stupid?

 

Exactly what i said they did  

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No one has argued it wasn't, stupid.  

You did. 

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Why did they want to expand the empire?

 

Same reason they did in ww1 and for the 20 years before that. Same reason every expansionist group does. NOT racism. 

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Why did they want to expand east instead of west?

They did expand west.  France and the netherlands is west of germany  LOLOLOL  So's england which they ALSO tried to expand into. 

Holy shit kid - did you not know france was west of Germany?

 

Every single thing you posts turns out to be wrong   You think France is in the east apperently. You think jews are a race.  You think lebensraum is a racial policy not an expansionist policy You think that the nazis were the first to do lebensraum....   all of that is wrong. 

Sorry kid. You've failed so hard this time that you might as well go change your shorts   LOLOLOL

[Black Dog]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Exactly what i said they did  

Except the opposite.

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You did. 

Nope, that's a lie.

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Same reason they did in ww1 and for the 20 years before that. Same reason every expansionist group does. NOT racism. 

This is literally Holocaust denial. You actually believe the mass slaughter of millions of people was not motivated by the Nazis' racial beliefs even though the Nazis themselves said it was. You'll be talking about the wooden doors at Auschwitz next.

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They did expand west.  France and the netherlands is west of germany  LOLOLOL  So's england which they ALSO tried to expand into. 

Holy shit kid - did you not know france was west of Germany?

Holy shit, stupid: did you forget we were talking about their plans of lebensraum, which didn' tinclude conquering and colonizing western Europe? Jesus Christ, try and keep up.

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Every single thing you posts turns out to be wrong   You think France is in the east apperently. You think jews are a race.  You think lebensraum is a racial policy not an expansionist policy You think that the nazis were the first to do lebensraum....   all of that is wrong. 

Amazing: every single one of these is untrue. No wonder you think you're winning this argument: turns out you've been arguing with a voice in your head.

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Sorry kid. You've failed so hard this time that you might as well go change your shorts   LOLOLOL

Everyone here has noticed the correlation between how badly you get your ass kicked and how much you brag about winning and everyone thinks its pathetic.

Edited October 25, 2024 by Black Dog

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Except the opposite.

Nope, that's a lie.

This is literally Holocaust denial. You actually believe the mass slaughter of millions of people was not motivated by the Nazis' racial beliefs even though the Nazis themselves said it was. You'll be talking about the wooden doors at Auschwitz next.

Holy shit, stupid: did you forget we were talking about their plans of lebensraum, which didn' tinclude conquering and colonizing western Europe? Jesus Christ, try and keep up.

Amazing: every single one of these is untrue. No wonder you think you're winning this argument: turns out you've been arguing with a voice in your head.

Everyone here has noticed the correlation between how badly you get your ass kicked and how much you brag about winning and everyone thinks its pathetic.

lie lie lie cope cope cope  

I know kiddo -  if i don't pay attention to you every 10 minutes you start to cry  

All of that was addressed 100 times over.  You were wrong. And you lied. and you don't know where france is apparently   And their plans absolutely included conquoring western europe. You can tell because they did. And they had plans to do so.  What, you think they were just marching along and tripped and fell into france? 

LOLOLOL 

I can see we've gotten to that part where you just hysterically lie while the rest of us point and laugh at you  

Carry on  

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