Tyreek Hill - Miami-Dade Police

[User]

1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

On a side note.. Hill kind of got the last laugh. He scored the TD that started the rally which won them the game. Now only 1 game of 17. Going to need him at his best next week against Buffalo. 

His celebration was funny, he pretended to be handcuffed. LOL

[Dougie93]

Tyreek, being an NFL Superstar, thought that he had licence to eff with po-po

I can't deny, that if I was a copper like my mates who are coppers

I too would have put him in his place

he doesn't play for the Chiefs anymore

so he's not on my team

if it was in Killer City and he was playing for the Chiefs, I'd let him off the hook

but now that he plays for the Dolphins, I'd lock him in the hoosegow and throw away the key

[impartialobserver]

Hill is arguably the top WR in the current NFL. My guess is that his legal team will have a field day. That being said, he is not a great guy off the field. On the field, he is one of a kind. 

[gatomontes99]

33 minutes ago, User said:

Clearly excessive. 

I already explained this, you can't actually respond directly to each of the points I laid out. 

-Pulling him out of car -> Excessive use of force

-Putting him on the ground, aggressively cuffing him while pushing down on his back -> Excessive use of force

-Pushing him to the ground while he was already cuffed to force him to sit down -> Excessive use of force

 

They already did. 

The officer walked away to write the ticket, the other officer walked away to look at the VIN. 

 

This is not excessive force.

Quote

https://m.flsenate.gov/Statutes/943.1735

(b) “Excessive use of force” means use of force that exceeds the degree of force permitted by law, policy, or the observing officer’s employing agency.

 

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https://floridajustice.com/excessive-force-law-enforcement/

What Excessive Use of Force or Police Brutality Looks Like

Excessive force can occur when police are trying to detain or speak to someone, at a traffic stop, during crowd control at an event, or after an arrest. The situation itself does not have to be violent in nature for police to employ excessive force. Force becomes excessive and illegal when an officer continues the force after the suspect has complied, that is been subdued and arrested. Some ways we have seen it displayed are:

∅ Tackling;
∅ Kicking;
∅ Punching;
∅ Choking;
∅ Tasering;
∅ Martial Arts;
∅ Baton Strikes;
∅ Nachachku;
∅ Excessively Tight Handcuffs or Zip-Ties;
∅ Use of Firearms;
∅ And More.

 

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Hill is arguably the top WR in the current NFL. My guess is that his legal team will have a field day. That being said, he is not a great guy off the field. On the field, he is one of a kind. 

f*ck the Dolphins

Killa City FTW

[impartialobserver]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

f*ck the Dolphins

Killa City FTW

I have no one NFL team that I root for every year.  As for MIA, my guess is that they make the playoffs but lose in the WC round or possibly the divisional round. If there is a team that I am rooting for.. it is DET. Never been to a super bowl and only twice in the NFC championship game. I figure the Red Sox and Cubs of MLB ended their championship droughts.. why not the Detroit Lions?

[gatomontes99]

14 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Hill is arguably the top WR in the current NFL. My guess is that his legal team will have a field day. That being said, he is not a great guy off the field. On the field, he is one of a kind. 

As a Chiefs fan, I agree. I loved his abilities on the field and I just cringed at the person he is off the field. It's one of those things that is pretty much a law. You should idolize ideals and not people. Ideals won't let you down but people always will.

[Dougie93]

Just now, impartialobserver said:

I have no one NFL team that I root for every year.  As for MIA, my guess is that they make the playoffs but lose in the WC round or possibly the divisional round. If there is a team that I am rooting for.. it is DET. Never been to a super bowl and only twice in the NFC championship game. I figure the Red Sox and Cubs of MLB ended their championship droughts.. why not the Detroit Lions?

well technically I am  \Californian

my father was raised in Glendale, he went to UC Berkeley on a scholarship

hence how I became a Niners fan

I was at Candlestick watching Joe Montana defeat them all

but when the Niners chose Steve Young over Joe

I followed Joe to Missouruh

and I've been in love with Missouruh ever since

 

[impartialobserver]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

well technically I am  \Californian

my father was raised in Glendale, he went to UC Berkeley on a scholarship

hence how I became a Niners fan

I was at Candlestick watching Joe Montana defeat them all

but when the Niners chose Steve Young over Joe

I followed Joe to Missouruh

and I've been in love with Missouruh ever since

 

I remember watching Montana play with KC play in the 1993 afc championship game against Buffalo. I was rooting for him and KC. How cool would it have been to see Joe Montana take on DAL with Troy Aikman. 

Anyways, barring injury Tyreek Hill ends up in the pro football hall of fame. He is already #52 in all time receptions and plenty of games left for him to play. 

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

I remember watching Montana play with KC play in the 1993 afc championship game against Buffalo. I was rooting for him and KC. How cool would it have been to see Joe Montana take on DAL with Troy Aikman. 

Anyways, barring injury Tyreek Hill ends up in the pro football hall of fame. He is already #52 in all time receptions and plenty of games left for him to play. 

the Niners under Joe delivered for me  over and over

because my father, being from Glendale, was actually a Rams fan

but for me, I loved San Francisco at the time, I felt more attachment to the Bay Area

but I don't identify with California anymore

I'm with working classes fighting to survive, in Missouruh

my father is dead, yet I am thankful that he can't see therein what has happened to his beloved California

[impartialobserver]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the Niners under Joe delivered for me  over and over

because my father, being from Glendale, was actually a Rams fan

but for me, I loved San Francisco at the time, I felt more attachment to the Bay Area

but I don't identify with California anymore

I'm with working classes fighting to survive, in Missouruh

my father is dead, yet I am thankful that he can't see therein what has happened to his beloved California

A lot of California is very Conservative. Travel north of the Bay area and it gets pretty rural and Conservative. Ever been to Alturas, CA?

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

They were not excessive.

WTF? They were wildly excessive. There was zero reason to drag him out of the car. Complete bullshit.

[gatomontes99]

3 minutes ago, Hodad said:

WTF? They were wildly excessive. There was zero reason to drag him out of the car. Complete bullshit.

I posted the definition and the list of things considered excessive. Nothing in that video indicates excessive force.

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

A lot of California is very Conservative. Travel north of the Bay area and it gets pretty rural and Conservative. Ever been to Alturas, CA?

it's a one party state now, descending into chaos

it's even spreading to Nevada now

thus I look to Ocean Springs Mississippi 

perfect white sand beaches on the Gulf Coast, across the causeway from Biloxi

fleeing from the Democrat Plantation Aristocracy traitors to the republic

[User]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

This is not excessive force.

Funny how you left out the rest of that...

(a) Instruction on the proportional use of force.

(b) Alternatives to use of force, including de-escalation techniques.

 

Also, show me the policy and training where they are shown to immediately escalate in mere seconds to ripping someone out of the car?

Where was the de-escalation techniques?

You are grasping at straws to justify the indefensible. 

21 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

I posted the definition and the list of things considered excessive. Nothing in that video indicates excessive force.

No, you did not. You posted a link that is circular in nature, not the department policy in question. 

Your argument is that they don't define it as excessive so it is not excessive... 

Again:
 

-Pulling him out of car -> Excessive use of force

-Putting him on the ground, aggressively cuffing him while pushing down on his back -> Excessive use of force

-Pushing him to the ground while he was already cuffed to force him to sit down -> Excessive use of force

[gatomontes99]

10 minutes ago, User said:

Funny how you left out the rest of that...

(a) Instruction on the proportional use of force.

(b) Alternatives to use of force, including de-escalation techniques.

 

Also, show me the policy and training where they are shown to immediately escalate in mere seconds to ripping someone out of the car?

Where was the de-escalation techniques?

You are grasping at straws to justify the indefensible. 

No, you did not. You posted a link that is circular in nature, not the department policy in question. 

Your argument is that they don't define it as excessive so it is not excessive... 

Again:
 

-Pulling him out of car -> Excessive use of force

-Putting him on the ground, aggressively cuffing him while pushing down on his back -> Excessive use of force

-Pushing him to the ground while he was already cuffed to force him to sit down -> Excessive use of force

None of that is excessive. It just isn't. Your insistence that it is is baffling.

[User]

1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said:

None of that is excessive. It just isn't. Your insistence that it is is baffling.

Of course, it is. All you can do is keep saying it isn't while I have explained in detail exactly why it is. 

 

[impartialobserver]

30 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

it's a one party state now, descending into chaos

it's even spreading to Nevada now

thus I look to Ocean Springs Mississippi 

perfect white sand beaches on the Gulf Coast, across the causeway from Biloxi

fleeing from the Democrat Plantation Aristocracy traitors to the republic

Most states are one party honestly. Very few have any balance. Nevada is one of the few where the outcome of an election is not a simple formality. 

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

Most states are one party honestly. Very few have any balance. Nevada is one of the few where the outcome of an election is not a simple formality. 

be thankful for America

because the UK, Canada, Australia & New Zealand are much worse

fall back to the temple;  rally round the Ark of the Covenant;  Declaration of Independence preamble

Grotius Union to free all the slaves everywhere, or die trying

 

[gatomontes99]

9 minutes ago, User said:

Of course, it is. All you can do is keep saying it isn't while I have explained in detail exactly why it is. 

 

But nothing you described, in detail, rises to excessive. If anything, you've described unnecessary actions. But you haven't described excessive actions.

[impartialobserver]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

be thankful for America

because the UK, Canada, Australia & New Zealand are much worse

fall back to the temple;  rally round the Ark of the Covenant;  Declaration of Independence preamble

Grotius Union to free all the slaves everywhere, or die trying

 

not sure about what you wrote but still you should try out NE California one day. The state might be very blue.. this corner is not. My kids and I venture out this way 4 or 5 times per year for fishing, hunting, and assorted mayhem. 

[User]

Just now, gatomontes99 said:

But nothing you described, in detail, rises to excessive. If anything, you've described unnecessary actions. But you haven't described excessive actions.

OMG, are you going to quibble over unnecessary and excessive?

If the force was unnecessary, then it was excessive. 

Again, you just keep asserting it is not excessive because you can't actually respond to the absurdity of their ripping him out of his car within seconds of asking him to exit. They didn't even give him a chance. That they shoved him to the ground instead of giving him a chance to sit on his own. 

None of that was reasonable use of force. None of it. 

All they had to do was write the ticket and give it to him. Thats it. 

 

[Dougie93]

Just now, impartialobserver said:

not sure about what you wrote but still you should try out NE California one day. The state might be very blue.. this corner is not. My kids and I venture out this way 4 or 5 times per year for fishing, hunting, and assorted mayhem. 

as my wife is Canadian and I could never leave her

I am doomed to live behind the iron curtain against American freedom until my dying day

De Oppresso Liber

[impartialobserver]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

as my wife is Canadian and I could never leave her

I am doomed to live behind the iron curtain against American freedom until my dying day

De Oppresso Liber

not saying that you have to move there. Visit one day. Fishing may not be what you are used to but the wide open spaces, gun culture, and folks letting their hair down is nice

 

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

not saying that you have to move there. Visit one day. Fishing may not be what you are used to but the wide open spaces, gun culture, and folks letting their hair down is nice

I hear you, pilgrim

none the less, I thirst for American freedom from here behind the lines

there is no free speech here, no first amendment, quite the opposite

can you imagine ?