Who Hates the USA?

[geoffrey]

Hate is pretty much the opposite of love in my opinion. It's absolute disrespect and ignorance of a persons human characterists, absolute disdain. Absolute is also used in the strongest terms possible in this definition.

I don't 'hate' anything or anyone. I also try not to say it that often, as it is the strongest word next to love in the English language (don't I sound all artsy fartsy).

[Biblio Bibuli]

MontyBurns

G'day. It's been a while since we've butted heads, but I could not let this blatant falsehood stand...

So, I'm calling you on this one.

Please show the "outrage" I displayed over Tucker's remarks.

If you ask me, you WERE kind of lukewarm to Tucker Carlson's friendly comedy schtiks in that thread, Pocket Rocket, and that alone got me a bit outraged too, becaause I always think of you as someone with a terrific sense of humor.

[Biblio Bibuli]

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What does the word "hate" mean to you? It seems to be a fashionable word these days and an extremely scary one because I never know how to take the people who use it so freely. How far would they go to express this hatred?

I HATE it when people don't answer my posts!

Haw far will I go?

JUST WATCH ME !!!

[Biblio Bibuli]

Hate is pretty much the opposite of love in my opinion.

Absolutely brilliant!

[Wilber]

Hate is pretty much the opposite of love in my opinion. It's absolute disrespect and ignorance of a persons human characterists, absolute disdain. Absolute is also used in the strongest terms possible in this definition.

I don't 'hate' anything or anyone. I also try not to say it that often, as it is the strongest word next to love in the English language (don't I sound all artsy fartsy).

I don't know about it being the opposite of love but I agree with the rest. It is an emotion that has never lead to anything good for the hater or the hated. Far too serious to be trifled with. Unfortunately it has become a catch all word for anything that bothers many people.

[PocketRocket]

MontyBurns

G'day. It's been a while since we've butted heads, but I could not let this blatant falsehood stand...

So, I'm calling you on this one.

Please show the "outrage" I displayed over Tucker's remarks.

If you ask me, you WERE kind of lukewarm to Tucker Carlson's friendly comedy schtiks in that thread, Pocket Rocket, and that alone got me a bit outraged too, becaause I always think of you as someone with a terrific sense of humor.

Well, spank you very much, BB.

You're no slouch yourself.

[Drea]

Could the big issue be that we cannot KEEP UP WITH THE JONESES as we used to? And that we are getting poorer and poorer compared to the Americans with each passing year?

First it was all that extra money in their pockets that we were jealous ... but we excused it by saying that they have to pay American prices.

Now everything in America is cheaper to buy than in Canada.

I'M MAD AS HELL !!!! Not at the Americans, of course. At our government.

LOL

America is like Ginger, a once beautiful, but now old and faded whore who still thinks that she's "the" best.

Canada is like Maryanne, all fresh and young and pretty without all the makeup.

(For those who've ever watched the old Gilligan's Island series)

Someone told me that analogy the other day and it really made me laugh.

I for one, am certainly not "jealous" of America or it's citizens. Whether or not "everything is cheaper" is totally irrelevant.

Are we getting poorer and poorer? 15 million people on welfare?

Our ecomony is doing better than ever. (Compared to OUR past performance, not compared to any other country).

Why are you "mad as hell" at our govt? Didn't you vote them in?

Scriblet wrote:

There is a feigned self righteous intellectual and cultural superiority over Americans and there is no satisfying them. This also results in painting anyone who remotely likes or agrees with anything, as being un-Canadian, and anyone who critiques the current liberal government and doesn't uphold what is seen as 'liberal values' are now anti-Canadian and should of course 'leave'

Umm, pretty sure there was election back in January -- we no longer have a Liberal govt by the way- the Conservatives won.

America (and yes it's citizens) have been and still are, touting their intellectual and cultural superiority all over the earth.

Why is it such a problem when "Maryanne" starts coming of age?

IMO its the "old faded whore" whose jealous.

I'm not "feigning" anti-Americanism, trust me, it's real.

As I don't plan on ever having to go there so no big deal. I'll just smuggly sit up here and critisize all I want. Boo.

[Biblio Bibuli]

Are we getting poorer and poorer?

Not if you value the time spent with your kids.

Although you may not be able to stay at home with them while they are young, you will more than make up for it when they are fully grown adults and still living with you.

[PocketRocket]

MONTY BURNS: still waiting for a reply here, chum.

[JerrySeinfeld]

America's standard of living is far better for average middle class people.

Better health care

More disposable income

Higher income levels

Tax deductible mortgage interest

Better climate

[Montgomery Burns]

Canada's jealousy of the USA is because of the leftwing Liberal Party, the socialist NDP, Canada's hard-left state-run taxpayer-funded CBC, and the hard left Toronto Star.

The Liberal Party constantly insulted America calling them idiots, morons, coalition of the idiots, and then had Liberal MP Carolyn Parrish going on state-run TV and stomping a George Bush doll underneath her boots. The Canadian left basically chuckled at this embarrassing display by Parrish (who was not condemned for this deplorable antic by former PM Paul Martin), but people like Pocket Rocket reacted with outrage when some no-name pundit (Tucker Carlson) on a channel that few watch (MSNBC) called Canadians "America's retarded cousins".

Why is Carlson not at CNN anymore? The little pundit got owned by a satiricle news show host. Carlson tucker'd his tail between his legs and in shame left for another network. THAT is why no one watches him. He did not garner any respect from the incident.

Far from me to defend Tucker Carlson, but you can't blame the guy for leaving an afternoon show to star in your own primetime show.

And Stewart never owned anyone. He made a complete ass out of himself then went on to host the Oscars resulting in the 2nd lowest Oscar ratings in history. That's why no one watched. He made a fool out of himself. He's a 2nd rate cable television comic whose shtick is to look at the camera and make "funny" faces. He can stay on cable where he belongs and I doubt he will asked back to host the Oscars.

[Montgomery Burns]

Indeed, here is an example of the Liberal Party's anti-Americanism

But at least we can console ourselves in the fact that these people no longer represent the government of Canada.

Harper's first photo-op was a not by co-incidence in Afghanistan.

I think we can hope now that "God will bless Canada".

The word God is in the Canadian constitution.

Enjoy.

[Montgomery Burns]

MontyBurns

G'day. It's been a while since we've butted heads, but I could not let this blatant falsehood stand...

people like Pocket Rocket reacted with outrage when some no-name pundit (Tucker Carlson) on a channel that few watch (MSNBC) called Canadians "America's retarded cousins".

This off the cuff remark of yours caused me to waste about 10 minutes poring over the old "Tucker Carlson/Anne Coulture" thread in great detail to find the "outrage" with which I supposedly reacted.

My reasons for asking the question which began this thread were simply to stop this all-to-common tactic of shouting "America hater" at anyone who dared to question the USA's current policies.

If truth be told, you are one of those who is largely responsible for my asking the question for which this thread was set up.

You seem to have a habit of putting words in other people's mouths, or twisting their statements into something they were not originally intended to be.

If someone condemns GWB's actions, you often "translate" that into a "hatred" of America and all things American.

That's too bad, really. You're a very smart guy, perfectly capable of debating an issue on its own merits. But instead, you seem to enjoy antagonizing people.

So, I'm calling you on this one.

Please show the "outrage" I displayed over Tucker's remarks.

AMERICA 1 (a conservative-type) and I seem to have gotten along quite well in that thread, and came to a consensus on many points. In fact, I agreed with many of his statements in that thread, including those regarding the USA's military and economic superiority over Canada.

If I said nothing in that thread to offend a conservative American, then what comment stands out in your mind as a display of "outrage" ???

C'mon MONTY, time to put up or shut up. Show me the "outrage" in my comments.

If you find that you're incapable of producing such "outrage" from any of my posts on the topic, then I will expect a retraction of your accusatory comment here.

You seem to have a habit of turning every issue into a shot at the Bush administration, then when questioned on it, you plead "friends can critisize each other".

POCKET ROCKET, you shouldn't have wasted your time on the Carlson/Coulter thread, but instead went to this thread where you compared Carlson's (a guy that does not speak for the Republicans) "retarded cousins" statement to Martin's anti-Americanism during the election, dubbing it "politics".

I didn't forget that because it was such an outrageous claim comparing Liberal Party members calling Americans bastards, morons, and coalition of the idiots (not to mention Parrish's embarrassing antic on the state-run TV (where we get our Commander-in-Chiefs from).

You might have forgotten about it, but I did

not.

[newbie]

Far from me to defend Tucker Carlson, but you can't blame the guy for leaving an afternoon show to star in your own primetime show.

Care to compare the ratings of the Daily Show versus Tucker's little "situation?"

[newbie]

I didn't forget that because it was such an outrageous claim comparing Liberal Party members calling Americans bastards, morons, and coalition of the idiots (not to mention Parrish's embarrassing antic on the state-run TV (where we get our Commander-in-Chiefs from).

Besides Parrish, what other "members" of the Liberal party were involved in this Monty?

[PocketRocket]

MONTY: You're right, I did forget about that thread.

But the word you used was "outrage".

I still don't see anywhere that I displayed outrage.

Yes, I did say that (former PM)PM's comments were political expediency. They were made during his election campaign in an attempt, however misguided, to shore up his numbers.

But when Harper criticized Wilkin's comments, you seemed to think it was okay for Harper to be politically expedient. In fact, your exact words were......

Harper has to say that. He knows darn well that the media is itching to link him to Evil America.

Evidently, by your reply, you thought that Harper was wrong to say this, but that he "has to" so he wouldn't get labelled by the press.

IOW, he made a comment that was politically expedient, as was Martin, however wrong either of these guys may have been.

So, yes, I called it "politics".

But that is not the point here. You said that I, and people like me, displayed "outrage"

I'm calling you on that. Show me where I displayed outrage, or retract your comment.

I'll be waiting.

[GostHacked]

Canada's jealousy of the USA is because of the leftwing Liberal Party, the socialist NDP, Canada's hard-left state-run taxpayer-funded CBC, and the hard left Toronto Star.

The Liberal Party constantly insulted America calling them idiots, morons, coalition of the idiots, and then had Liberal MP Carolyn Parrish going on state-run TV and stomping a George Bush doll underneath her boots. The Canadian left basically chuckled at this embarrassing display by Parrish (who was not condemned for this deplorable antic by former PM Paul Martin), but people like Pocket Rocket reacted with outrage when some no-name pundit (Tucker Carlson) on a channel that few watch (MSNBC) called Canadians "America's retarded cousins".

Why is Carlson not at CNN anymore? The little pundit got owned by a satiricle news show host. Carlson tucker'd his tail between his legs and in shame left for another network. THAT is why no one watches him. He did not garner any respect from the incident.

Far from me to defend Tucker Carlson, but you can't blame the guy for leaving an afternoon show to star in your own primetime show.

And Stewart never owned anyone. He made a complete ass out of himself then went on to host the Oscars resulting in the 2nd lowest Oscar ratings in history. That's why no one watched. He made a fool out of himself. He's a 2nd rate cable television comic whose shtick is to look at the camera and make "funny" faces. He can stay on cable where he belongs and I doubt he will asked back to host the Oscars.

From the New York Times about Carlson leaving.

Mr. Klein specifically cited the criticism that the comedian Jon Stewart leveled at "Crossfire" when he was a guest on the program during the presidential campaign. Mr. Stewart said that ranting partisan political shows on cable were "hurting America."

Mr. Klein said last night, "I agree wholeheartedly with Jon Stewart's overall premise." He said he believed that especially after the terror attacks on 9/11, viewers are interested in information, not opinion.

[Montgomery Burns]

MONTY: You're right, I did forget about that thread.

But the word you used was "outrage".

I still don't see anywhere that I displayed outrage.

Yes, I did say that (former PM)PM's comments were political expediency. They were made during his election campaign in an attempt, however misguided, to shore up his numbers.

But when Harper criticized Wilkin's comments, you seemed to think it was okay for Harper to be politically expedient. In fact, your exact words were......

Harper has to say that. He knows darn well that the media is itching to link him to Evil America.

Evidently, by your reply, you thought that Harper was wrong to say this, but that he "has to" so he wouldn't get labelled by the press.

IOW, he made a comment that was politically expedient, as was Martin, however wrong either of these guys may have been.

So, yes, I called it "politics".

But that is not the point here. You said that I, and people like me, displayed "outrage"

I'm calling you on that. Show me where I displayed outrage, or retract your comment.

I'll be waiting.

Although I still think it is unfair to compare the insults of Liberal Party MPs to insults from political pundits, I was unfair when I said you were "outraged". I had a hyperbole hiccup.

Thus I retract my comment.

[PocketRocket]

MONTY: Thank you very much. Very sporting and gentlemanly of you to make such a retraction.

To paraphrase the old saw, it takes a big man to admit his errors.

Although we often disagree, it's nice to see you are cut from such fine cloth.

[moderateamericain]

True life story, A couple of weeks ago i had a chance to go to toronto with my father for business. In my leisure time there was a Hockey game going on, Junior sports of some kind, featuring a hockey team from Michigan. For those who dont know i was original from Michigan. So I said what the hell and ducked in to watch the games. Well they were playing the nation anthem of Canada and people were singing along etc. then they played the National Anthem for the USA, for the Michigan team, well the Candians started booing. And hurling insults at the American kids. These kids might be 15 or 16 at the most. I served my country in foreign countries, and ive been in some pretty hostile places, were the people obviously did not appreciate us being there. This was on par of being in those places. Needless to say i got out of there and went back to my hotel.

[PocketRocket]

MA: That's an ugly story that I've heard a few times from other areas.

Shameful behaviour, in my opinion. :angry:

[geoffrey]

True life story, A couple of weeks ago i had a chance to go to toronto with my father for business. In my leisure time there was a Hockey game going on, Junior sports of some kind, featuring a hockey team from Michigan. For those who dont know i was original from Michigan. So I said what the hell and ducked in to watch the games. Well they were playing the nation anthem of Canada and people were singing along etc. then they played the National Anthem for the USA, for the Michigan team, well the Candians started booing. And hurling insults at the American kids. These kids might be 15 or 16 at the most. I served my country in foreign countries, and ive been in some pretty hostile places, were the people obviously did not appreciate us being there. This was on par of being in those places. Needless to say i got out of there and went back to my hotel.

That's embarassing to all Canadians.

It's ignorant attitudes like those people displayed that give us a bad reputation.

[gerryhatrick]

True life story, A couple of weeks ago i had a chance to go to toronto with my father for business. In my leisure time there was a Hockey game going on, Junior sports of some kind, featuring a hockey team from Michigan. For those who dont know i was original from Michigan. So I said what the hell and ducked in to watch the games. Well they were playing the nation anthem of Canada and people were singing along etc. then they played the National Anthem for the USA, for the Michigan team, well the Candians started booing. And hurling insults at the American kids. These kids might be 15 or 16 at the most. I served my country in foreign countries, and ive been in some pretty hostile places, were the people obviously did not appreciate us being there. This was on par of being in those places. Needless to say i got out of there and went back to my hotel.

That's embarassing to all Canadians.

It's ignorant attitudes like those people displayed that give us a bad reputation.

I've heard the same anecdote about the USA booing the Canadian anthem when we weren't joining in Iraq.

Who cares?

It's not "hatred", it's booing at a hockey game for goodness sake.

[scribblet]

True life story, A couple of weeks ago i had a chance to go to toronto with my father for business. In my leisure time there was a Hockey game going on, Junior sports of some kind, featuring a hockey team from Michigan. For those who dont know i was original from Michigan. So I said what the hell and ducked in to watch the games. Well they were playing the nation anthem of Canada and people were singing along etc. then they played the National Anthem for the USA, for the Michigan team, well the Candians started booing. And hurling insults at the American kids. These kids might be 15 or 16 at the most. I served my country in foreign countries, and ive been in some pretty hostile places, were the people obviously did not appreciate us being there. This was on par of being in those places. Needless to say i got out of there and went back to my hotel.

That's embarassing to all Canadians.

It's ignorant attitudes like those people displayed that give us a bad reputation.

I've heard the same anecdote about the USA booing the Canadian anthem when we weren't joining in Iraq.

Who cares?

It's not "hatred", it's booing at a hockey game for goodness sake.

Not it isn't, they are not booing hockey or hockey players, they are booing them because them simply because they are American.

[speaker]

Actually it is probably more along the lines of putting the visiting team off their game. Most of the people there are sports fans not political junkies, the same as the Americans who flew the Canadian flag upside down at a ball game a few years back. More of an unintended compliment to a worthy opponent.

Collective America is out of touch with reality, and being, to put it mildly overbearing, in it's relations with most of the other nations on the planet. Other empires have achieved that status in the past. Hate might be too strong a word for it but disgust mixed with despair for the future can look awfully similar.