Wonderful Orange Man

[CouchPotato]

Just now, Black Dog said:

Thank you for underscoring the point that the GOP is not a political party in any meaningful sense but rather a cult of personality centred around Donald Trump. 

That is not what I am saying at all. Trump has policies we support. Well, I am Canadian, but you get my drift. I think realistically Trump is more of a centrist than right wing. There may be people who claim to be more ideologically conservative than him, but they are little good if they are not willing to fight for anything.

[Black Dog]

Just now, CouchPotato said:

That is not what I am saying at all. Trump has policies we support. Well, I am Canadian, but you get my drift. I think realistically Trump is more of a centrist than right wing. There may be people who claim to be more ideologically conservative than him, but they are little good if they are not willing to fight for anything.

IOW policies are less important to you than personality, or at least your perception of his personality. Which is kinda the essence of a cult of personality: it doesn't matter what the leader thinks or believe, but how they make you feel.

Look, there's a reason why every other candidate, including Desantis who was supposed to be the guy who gave Trump a run for his money, all went over like a fart in a hurricane and it's not just because they are rizzless weirdos. 

[CouchPotato]

9 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

IOW policies are less important to you than personality, or at least your perception of his personality.

Not at all. You are assuming that, but that is not what I have said. I would not support a person like Trump if he were to support leftist ideas. He is not as far right as people make him out to be but he is still a conservative. Your fallacy is that because I think it is important for a politician (particularly one our side) these days to have a tough personality, that I think personality is more important than policy. I think policy is far more important, which is why I would not support a Democrat Trump. But in determining which candidate is best suited to fight the other side, Trump's toughness is definitely a factor. I think for the most part this is a factor with every President in the US. You would never see the kind of leaders we have in Canada becoming US President.

Edited August 20, 2024 by CouchPotato

[Black Dog]

8 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

Not at all. You are assuming that, but that is not what I have said. I would not support a person like Trump if he were to support leftist ideas. He is not as far right as people make him out to be but he is still a conservative. Your fallacy is that because I think it is important for a politician (particularly one our side) these days to have a tough personality, that I think personality is more important than policy. I think policy is far more important, which is why I would not support a Democrat Trump. But in determining which candidate is best suited to fight the other side, Trump's toughness is a factor.

This is a pretty weak defense because we aren't talking about hypothetical alternate universe Donald Trumps that are leftists or Democrats, we're talking about this reality and why you choose from teh range of options before you (or would if you weren't, you know, Canadian.)

As you already indicated there were alternatives to Trump with better (in your view) policies than him and who are probably less problematic in terms of the many flaws (that you've admitted to), but you still support the guy because of his personality. And I don't even think you're even representative of the average Trump supporter; for the median GOP voter, for whom personality is an even bigger factor, if not the only one.

Edited August 20, 2024 by Black Dog

[CouchPotato]

1 minute ago, Black Dog said:

As you already indicated there were alternatives to Trump with better (in your view) policies than him and who are probably less problematic in terms of the many flaws (that you've admitted to), but you still support the guy because of his personality.

That is not at all what I said.

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In many ways, I think he is a far superior candidate to Trump. I think he is more professional. I think he has a better understanding of politics.

Nothing in there about policy. I think he may be more articulate and politically savvy.

[Black Dog]

1 minute ago, CouchPotato said:

That is not at all what I said.

Nothing in there about policy. I think he may be more articulate and politically savvy.

Do you think they are worse policy wise? In what ways, specifically?

[Nationalist]

30 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

You having shitty reading comprehension is not my problem.

 

Yet I read you quite accurately. 

Go figure...

[Black Dog]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Yet I read you quite accurately. 

Go figure...

LOL, are you still banging on about this? Again this is what I wrote:

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I have family members who are conservatives, but it's fine because they don't constantly shriek about politics. If they were the kind of people who treated every family gathering as a chance to vent about whatever thing the TV man told them to be mad about, yeah I'd cut them out because that's a**hole behaviour.

I have no idea how you could interpret that as being about you, maybe you're just telling on yourself.

[CouchPotato]

12 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Do you think they are worse policy wise? In what ways, specifically?

It's hard to say. I think they have both copied a lot of positions from each other. It's hard to say what policies DeSantis would stick to if elected. I think DeSantis would be more socially conservative.

In the end, though, personality being a factor does not mean personality is the main thing. It's pragmatic. Who will fight harder to achieve some of our goals?

Edited August 20, 2024 by CouchPotato

[Black Dog]

4 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

It's hard to say. I think they have both copied a lot of positions from each other. It's hard to say what policies DeSantis would stick to if elected. I think DeSantis would be more socially conservative.

In the end, though, personality being a factor does not mean personality is the main thing. It's pragmatic. Who will fight harder to achieve some of our goals?

In this case, it clearly is!

[CouchPotato]

30 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

And I don't even think you're even representative of the average Trump supporter; for the median GOP voter, for whom personality is an even bigger factor, if not the only one.

I think that is just your biased opinion of the average Trump supporter. To be fair though, there are definitely Trumpers like that. But that's just par for the course in politics. Obama had mindless fawning adorers as well.

7 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

In this case, it clearly is!

No it isn't. And you saying it is over and over does not make it so. I like the policies of both Trump and DeSantis. In order to see the policies I want achieved I support the guy I think will deliver on more of them. So, even insomuch as I am willing to consider personality a factor, it is ultimately for policy's sake that I do so.

Edited August 20, 2024 by CouchPotato

[Black Dog]

3 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

I think that is just your biased opinion of the average Trump supporter. To be fair though, there are people who are Trumpers like that. But that's just par for the course in politics. Obama had mindless fawning adorers as well.

Obama was a popular politician but I don't think his supporters had the same degree of parasocial relationship with him that the median Trump supporter has with him.

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No it isn't. And you saying it is over and over does not make it so. I like the policies of both Trump and DeSantis. In order to see the policies I want achieved I support the guy I think will deliver on more of them. So, even insomuch as I am willing to consider personality a factor, it is ultimately for policy's sake that I do so.

That's just another more roundabout way of saying that personality is the determining factor. It doesn't really matter what lofty rationale you might give for it, ultimately you're making your choice based on the image this candidate is projecting.

 

[CouchPotato]

25 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

That's just another more roundabout way of saying that personality is the determining factor.

No, it's just saying personality is a factor. If it is a determining factor because all other things are equal, that is nothing comparable to a cult of personality. It is not the most important factor. It's a balance.

In the end though, it's about policy. Policy is the determining factor. If I believe Trump can deliver on more conservative policies than DeSantis, he is the best choice. And this is what all political parties do. Personality is always a factor. Many people won't vote for Trump because of his personality. You have to consider the policies. You have to consider elect-ability. You have to consider whether someone will stick to those policies. If being stubborn enough to stick to your promises is a personality trait, then I would say most practical voters value that highly. That is not an example of cultism. It's just common sense.

I mean ok, let's say you have two front-runners in the Democrat primary -- Barack Obama and Jerry Nadler. They largely have the same platform. Who is going to win? We both know the answer. Is this an example of a cult of personality?

Edited August 20, 2024 by CouchPotato

[Nationalist]

59 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

LOL, are you still banging on about this? Again this is what I wrote:

I have no idea how you could interpret that as being about you, maybe you're just telling on yourself.

Allow me to explain how English conversation works. One person says something and the other responds to that.

In this case you said...

"Yes I'm proud of anyone who makes the difficult but necessary step to cut MAGA cultists from their lives.

It's funny you never hear of anyone being like "I had to cut my parents off because they were vocal Dem supporters" but you can find hundreds if not thousands of stories of people being estranged from their Fox News guzzling boomer parents who won't shut the f*ck up about politics."

You made this about family...not me. I find your attitude deplorable and the type of mentality that has saturated Liberalism to the point of being unrecognizable. You're a "Libbie". An angry, petty, nasty, destructive little nerd, with serious psychological issues. 

Obsessed with sex and so filled with rage that you'd celebrate the tearing apart of a family.

Luckily my family is nothing like you...or ever could be.

I wonder...do your family know you feel this way? Not that it's any of my bee's wax but...I do wonder...

Edited August 20, 2024 by Nationalist

[Black Dog]

8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

You made this about family...not me.

Yeah but not your retarded family you dumbshit lmao.

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I find your attitude deplorable and they type of mentality that has saturated Liberalism to the point of being unrecognizable. You're a "Libbie". An angry, petty, nasty, destructive little nerd, with serious psychological issues. 

Do you think it's good and healthy to stick with people who make your life miserable and hate everything you believe in and value just because they're family?

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Obsessed with sex and so filled with rage that you'd celebrate the tearing apart of a family.

 

Lol are you still seething because I think its weird you talk about how hot your kids are? LMAO.

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I wonder...do your family know you feel thus way? Not that it's any of my bee's wax but...I do wonder...

Which ones, the conservative ones? Like I said they aren't the insane kind so we have a tacit agreement to simply not discuss politics. 

Edited August 20, 2024 by Black Dog

[Nationalist]

29 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Yeah but not your retarded family you dumbshit lmao.

Do you think it's good and healthy to stick with people who make your life miserable and hate everything you believe in and value just because they're family?

Lol are you still seething because I think its weird you talk about how hot your kids are? LMAO.

Which ones, the conservative ones? Like I said they aren't the insane kind so we have a tacit agreement to simply not discuss politics. 

It's about all families Dimwitty. I mearly exemplified a healthy family unit. Mine.

I'm proud of my kids. You dream of sex with kids. Just one stark difference between healthy family relations and your warped ideas.

I figure the conservative ones and likely the liberal ones, just avoid talking to you at all.

Edited August 20, 2024 by Nationalist

[CouchPotato]

1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

Do you think they are worse policy wise? In what ways, specifically?

One example of a policy difference between the two of them is that Trump favored overturning Row V. Wade and returning the issue of abortion to the States. DeSantis favored a national ban.

Without getting into my own opinions on the matter, I have observed many Republicans taking either one of these positions over the years. There have been several Republican presidents since Row V. Wade. I just assumed no matter what position a Republican had, Row V. Wade would never be overturned.  Opposing abortion outright or believing the decision falls to the state was just a thing every Republican had to say. Trump was the one president who made that happen. If getting stuff done is a personality trait, then I think most people on either side of the aisle value that personality trait pretty highly.

[Nationalist]

6 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

One example of a policy difference between the two of them is that Trump favored overturning Row V. Wade and returning the issue of abortion to the States. DeSantis favored a national ban.

Without getting into my own opinions on the matter, I have observed many Republicans taking either one of these positions over the years. There have been several Republican presidents since Row V. Wade. I just assumed no matter what position a Republican had, Row V. Wade would never be overturned.  Opposing abortion outright or believing the decision falls to the state was just a thing every Republican had to say. Trump was the one president who made that happen. If getting stuff done is a personality trait, then I think most people on either side of the aisle value that personality trait pretty highly.

This is true. Promises made. Promises kept. Now the states can decide how they want to deal with the issue and that is how the US Constitution was written.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Black Dog said:

No I believe you would have lined up for any other generic Republican too. But you're a Canadian with literally no skin in the game so the idea that you are representative of GOP voters is as retarded as everything else you believe. 

No you don't.  You just desperately WANT to believe that because you've already exposed the fact that you'd line up for any democrat and you realize the fact that it makes you look bad that others don't think that way. 

Which is why you're now trying to claim that just because I actually think about the candidates "doesn't mean i represent republicans"  Derp!"  Yet i was a perfect example of a 'republican' in your mind like 3 seconds before that. 

You're so transparent it's ridiculous 

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This is cope. 

LOL  awwwww look at you, using millennial buzzwords and all   Adorable   So no legit argument then?

2 hours ago, Black Dog said:

The notion that the left marches in lockstep with no criticism or dissent

... is pretty much bang on accurate. which was the point the other poster was making.  Biden is a saint who has never done anything wrong and is perfectly 100 percent mentally sound and can easily run a 100 meter dash.  Kamala is the most perfect example of a female black woman ....  brown woman.... black.. whatever presidential candidate  that has ever lived and she's the people's first choice! Even tho she's never gotten a single primary vote in her life. 

Etc etc. 

You've got  your blinders on kiddo.  And it's pretty obvious. 

[CouchPotato]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Biden is a saint who has never done anything wrong and is perfectly 100 percent mentally sound and can easily run a 100 meter dash.

What stands out to me recently is that after he was pushed out for being senile, not one leftist poster here could just acknowledge it. They couldn't even offer a whataboutism. No, it was honorable. It was selfless. myata even called it a political masterstroke.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

What stands out to me recently is that after he was pushed out for being senile, not one leftist poster here could just acknowledge it. They couldn't even offer a whataboutism. No, it was honorable. It was selfless. myata even called it a political masterstroke.

LOL  no Doubt.  They still don't acknowledge it.  They say he "stood aside for the good of the party"  (how brave) without mentioning why it was for the good of the party     Or that nancy pelosi called him and threatened him before he agreed to it 

 

[Black Dog]

15 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

One example of a policy difference between the two of them is that Trump favored overturning Row V. Wade and returning the issue of abortion to the States. DeSantis favored a national ban.

Without getting into my own opinions on the matter, I have observed many Republicans taking either one of these positions over the years. There have been several Republican presidents since Row V. Wade. I just assumed no matter what position a Republican had, Row V. Wade would never be overturned.  Opposing abortion outright or believing the decision falls to the state was just a thing every Republican had to say. Trump was the one president who made that happen. If getting stuff done is a personality trait, then I think most people on either side of the aisle value that personality trait pretty highly.

 

He accomplished that simply by rubber stamping the SCOTUS picks that were put in front of him, not through any special policy wizardry, come on.

15 hours ago, Nationalist said:

It's about all families Dimwitty. I mearly exemplified a healthy family unit. Mine.

I'm proud of my kids. You dream of sex with kids. Just one stark difference between healthy family relations and your warped ideas.

Your proud of your kids for being hot and sexy. Weirdo.

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

 

He accomplished that simply by rubber stamping the SCOTUS picks that were put in front of him, not through any special policy wizardry, come on.

Your proud of your kids for being hot and sexy. Weirdo.

Hey...I'm sorry if your seed produces cross-eyed uglies.

It's a genetic thing.

[Black Dog]

15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

... is pretty much bang on accurate. which was the point the other poster was making.  Biden is a saint who has never done anything wrong and is perfectly 100 percent mentally sound and can easily run a 100 meter dash.  Kamala is the most perfect example of a female black woman ....  brown woman.... black.. whatever presidential candidate  that has ever lived and she's the people's first choice! Even tho she's never gotten a single primary vote in her life. 

You're going to invoke BIDEN as an example of the party marching in lockstep? BIDEN, the guy who was literally kicked off the ticket? You're completely retarded.

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Hey...I'm sorry if your seed produces cross-eyed uglies.

It's a genetic thing.

Why are you talking about my seed? Do you have jizz on the brain or am I thinking of your cumsock wife?

[Nationalist]

5 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Why are you talking about my seed? Do you have jizz on the brain or am I thinking of your cumsock wife?

Well pup...I figured lowering myself to your level might be the only way to communicate with you.

I see it worked.