Montgomery Burns Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 I know this topic is always controversial, but here goes... Bush disagrees with South Dakota abortion ban US President George W. Bush signalled his opposition to a South Dakota abortion ban that forbids the procedure even in cases of rape or incest, saying he favors such exceptions. The bill grants no allowances for women who have been raped or are victims of incest. Doctors who perform abortion would be charged with a crime. It also prohibits the sale of emergency contraception and asserts that life begins at fertilization. The governor of South Dakota has indicated he is likely to sign the bill. I don't like abortion but this is unfair to women (and young girls). There are all kinds of emotional/psycological/social problems when it comes to incest. And why should a women (or child) be forced to carry a child to term--that resulted from a traumatic act of violence committed on her? Shouldn't the woman have the choice in these situations? But Bush declined to predict the outcome of any legal challenges to the legislation, which would make it illegal to terminate a pregnancy except in rare cases when it may be necessary to save the life of the mother."That, of course, is a state law, but my position has always been three exceptions: Rape, incest, and the life of the mother," the US president told ABC news in an interview. Asked whether he would include "health" of the mother, Bush replied: "I said life of the mother, and health is a very vague term, but my position has been clear on that ever since I started running for office." Say what you want about Bush, but at least you know where he stands. No governing by polls, or whatever way the political wind is blowing at any given moment *cough* Clinton *cough*. Quote "Anybody who doesn't appreciate what America has done, and President Bush, let them go to hell!" -- Iraqi Betty Dawisha, after dropping her vote in the ballot box, wields The Cluebat™ to the anti-liberty crowd on Dec 13, 2005. "Call me crazy, but I think they [iraqis] were happy with thier [sic] dumpy homes before the USA levelled so many of them" -- Gerryhatrick, Feb 3, 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverwind Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 US President George W. Bush signalled his opposition to a South Dakota abortion ban that forbids the procedure even in cases of rape or incest, saying he favors such exceptions.If abortion is 'murder' (as most anti-abortionists claim) then it does not make a difference how the child was conceived because it is still murder to have an abortion. I can understand why Bush is taking that position because he realizes that even if many Americans may find abortion morally repugnant, they really do not believe it is murder. Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 I know this topic is always controversial, but here goes... Bush disagrees with South Dakota abortion ban [ Asked whether he would include "health" of the mother, Bush replied: "I said life of the mother, and health is a very vague term, but my position has been clear on that ever since I started running for office." Say what you want about Bush, but at least you know where he stands. No governing by polls, or whatever way the political wind is blowing at any given moment *cough* Clinton *cough*. Good for Bush. He's taking a political chance with this stand as many people, and not just in the bible belts, firmly believe that abortion under any circumstance is wrong, to ell with the life or health of the mother. Can he do anything about this, or do they have to take it to SCOTUS ? Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drea Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 My heart goes out to all the women in ND. I hope they can just cross a state line and get an abortion -- or else they'll be reduced to using coathangers. Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverwind Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 I hope they can just cross a state line and get an abortion -- or else they'll be reduced to using coathangers.2-3 hour drive to Manitoba. Women who need an abortion and have access to a car will be able to get one. However, if this law us not struck down by the courts, I predict the anti-choice crowd will start passing laws to put a woman in jail if she goes elsewhere for an abortion. Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerrySeinfeld Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 My heart goes out to all the women in ND.I hope they can just cross a state line and get an abortion -- or else they'll be reduced to using coathangers. You make it sound like getting an abortion is like getting a mole removed. Aren't you in favor of LESS abortions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverwind Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 You make it sound like getting an abortion is like getting a mole removed. Aren't you in favor of LESS abortions?For many people having an early term abortion _is_ no different than having a mole removed because they believe a fetus is just a bunch of cells that are part of the mother's body. In addition, there is no evidence that the number of abortions happening today is excessive so there is no need to reduce the number of abortions. Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biblio Bibuli Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 My heart goes out to all the women in ND.I hope they can just cross a state line and get an abortion -- or else they'll be reduced to using coathangers. Even when the baby is kicking and is just about ready to come out, a good Canadian doctor is able, if he/she is willing, to squash it's ugly head just before it sticks it out of the womb and .... VOILA .... it's called abortion. At least that's the way I see it, after reading the article below. http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/ed...4d-5d5290756131 excerpt: "Abortion-on-demand is said to be either a fundamental Charter right or a massive violation of the fundamental right to life. Those are the "neat polar extremes" Mr. Harper describes. It would appear that a moderate position would be somewhere in between. Except in Canada. Our public policy -- no restriction on taxpayer-funded abortion at any time during gestation -- is unmatched by any other democracy. Save for Chinese-style mandatory abortions, it would not be possible for Canada to be more extreme in its abortion license. So extreme in fact that even our polar neighbours, Sweden and Norway, would blanch at our permissiveness. Both countries prohibit abortion in most cases after 18 weeks gestation. In Britain, it is 24 weeks. In Italy, 13 weeks. In France, Germany and Belgium it is 12 weeks. Only the United States matches our abortion-on-demand policy. Even so, Americans have parental notification statutes, a prohibition on federal funding and a federal ban on partial-birth abortion -- soon to be under review by the Supreme Court. The moderate Canadian position is, in fact, American-style absolutism taken to the extreme." Shame on Harper for telling MacLean's this week that he has "no intention of getting into the abortion issue."!!! Shame on both countries ... Canada & America!!! Quote When a true Genius appears in the World, you may know him by this Sign, that the Dunces are all in confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift GO IGGY GO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffrey Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Your right, there is no law in Canada. Children are legally allowed to be aborted during labour. It's also less of a crime to kill your kids after they are born too. I have a bit of a question that might seem niave, but has fertilization occured at the time when emergency contraception is used? I personally had thought the morning after pill prevented fertilization? Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drea Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Your right, there is no law in Canada. Children are legally allowed to be aborted during labour. It's also less of a crime to kill your kids after they are born too.I have a bit of a question that might seem niave, but has fertilization occured at the time when emergency contraception is used? I personally had thought the morning after pill prevented fertilization? I think there is a limit... I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of abortions happen in the first trimester; and virtually none in the third. The morning after pill prevents the fertilized egg from adhering to the wall of the uterus. Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 I don't like abortion but this is unfair to women (and young girls). There are all kinds of emotional/psycological/social problems when it comes to incest. And why should a women (or child) be forced to carry a child to term--that resulted from a traumatic act of violence committed on her? Shouldn't the woman have the choice in these situations? The pro-life argument is that a fetus is a human life. It does not matter if it results from rape or incest or from a balanced, healthy relationship. Abortion when the life of the mother is threatened is an entirely different moral decision, but it is entirely disingenuous for anyone who claims that a fetus is a life to make excpetions. If the fetus is a human and abortion is murder, why is this murder okay based on how the egg got fertilized or who the parents are? It's not the baby's fault that his mother got raped or that his parents are blood relatives. Making an exception in the case of rape or incest is a complete cop out on the part of anyone who is stridently pro-life. I'll admit that I am pro-choice (on a political level) but pro-life in terms of my own life decisions (I just couldn't imagine getting a girl pregnant and insisting on an abortion). I struggle with that contradiction. But it is entirely intellectually dishonest for someone to be pro-life *except* in cases of rape or incest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 US President George W. Bush signalled his opposition to a South Dakota abortion ban that forbids the procedure even in cases of rape or incest, saying he favors such exceptions.If abortion is 'murder' (as most anti-abortionists claim) then it does not make a difference how the child was conceived because it is still murder to have an abortion. I can understand why Bush is taking that position because he realizes that even if many Americans may find abortion morally repugnant, they really do not believe it is murder. Sparhawk, I didn;t see your reply before I responded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffrey Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Your right, there is no law in Canada. Children are legally allowed to be aborted during labour. It's also less of a crime to kill your kids after they are born too. I have a bit of a question that might seem niave, but has fertilization occured at the time when emergency contraception is used? I personally had thought the morning after pill prevented fertilization? I think there is a limit... I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of abortions happen in the first trimester; and virtually none in the third. The morning after pill prevents the fertilized egg from adhering to the wall of the uterus. Interesting, the morning after pill seems like a reasonable choice for someone in one of these situations. After that, I'm somewhat opposed, but thats my belief and I really have no right to assert that. I also feel though I have a right not to have my tax dollar paying for it. Most Canadian's think there is a limit, thats why they think the abortion system in Canada is alright and happy. But there is no restriction, none at all, under the law. Abortion is ok in all situations up until the baby is completely born. Thats a problem in my view. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Most Canadian's think there is a limit, thats why they think the abortion system in Canada is alright and happy. But there is no restriction, none at all, under the law. Abortion is ok in all situations up until the baby is completely born. Thats a problem in my view. I think the lack of regulation only becomes a problem if real-worl circumstances make it so. So if there were large numbers of women getting third trimester abortions or changing their minds on the delivery table (which some imply is a common occurance), we might have a reason to chang ethe status quo. But there aren't and there isn't. And let's face it: if someone was determined to get rid of their baby at a late stage, no regulation would prevent them from finding a way. Quote America...."the worlds largest, best-armed shopping mall."-Ivor Tossell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 The reason why so many do not think abortion is murder is purely because abortion had now become a "woman's right". That's the magic pass-word! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 The reason why so many do not think abortion is murder is purely because abortion had now become a "woman's right". That's the magic pass-word! Do you believe abortion should be an option in cases of rape or incest? Quote America...."the worlds largest, best-armed shopping mall."-Ivor Tossell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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