Black Dog Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 17 hours ago, carepov said: No, the topic was Arab-israelis. Compare them to how Jews are treated in Arab countries. See, you have to pretend that the 3 million or so people living under Israel's thumb with zero rights or representation don't exist to keep your narrative intact. Quote On the basis that Israel is one one the most progressive societies in the world. One of the first to grant women full rights. Gay marriage, etc... So Israel a country that was founded in 1948, was one of the first to grant women full rights? Sounds sus. Also, gay marriage is not legal in Israel. Quote On the basis that Arab Israelis have representation in the Knesset proportional to their population (how many countries can make that claim about minorities?) Arab Israelis are judges, doctors, entrepreneurs, soldiers, etc... Arab Israelis are 20% of the population and 8% of the Knesset. Your talking points haven't been updated in a while. Quote For a real example of discrimination look up the status of Palestinians living in Lebanon. whataboutism. Quote America...."the worlds largest, best-armed shopping mall."-Ivor Tossell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 (edited) 4 hours ago, carepov said: It would be great if Hamas disbanded like the IRA and ETA. The Islamic elements of Hamas make it very different though That would be true if you were talking about ISIS or some other transnational jihadist conquest movement. But these particular groups (Hamas IRA and ETA) are more similar than different in terms of their localized aims. 4 hours ago, carepov said: Who's job is it to provide these things (courts, education, etc..)? Lots of options depending on how many countries were interested in seeing it happen sooner rather than later. Palestinian territory is extremely small, so long-term intensive international investment and political statebuilding endeavors would be very realistic , likely through the UN. It would first require the creation of a Palestinian nation-state and the facilitation of national elections, etc. This has been done before in war-torn areas like post-Nazi germany and Iraq. The first step to this process has been blocked by Israel and the US since 1948, so getting past hardline Zionist aims of colonizing the entire Levant is a major impediment to Israel ever having a secure future. Edited July 6 by Matthew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carepov Posted July 7 Author Report Share Posted July 7 1 hour ago, Matthew said: That would be true if you were talking about ISIS or some other transnational jihadist conquest movement. But these particular groups (Hamas IRA and ETA) are more similar than different in terms of their localized aims. Lots of options depending on how many countries were interested in seeing it happen sooner rather than later. Palestinian territory is extremely small, so long-term intensive international investment and political statebuilding endeavors would be very realistic , likely through the UN. It would first require the creation of a Palestinian nation-state and the facilitation of national elections, etc. This has been done before in war-torn areas like post-Nazi germany and Iraq. The first step to this process has been blocked by Israel and the US since 1948, so getting past hardline Zionist aims of colonizing the entire Levant is a major impediment to Israel ever having a secure future. At least now you are saying that there are differences between various terrorist groups that require different approaches. As I've said before, try listening to the actual words of the terrorist groups. You may be surprised. Gaza could have transformed itself into a nation state. Elections were held, billions of dollars were made available. I can guarantee that Israel would much prefer a Gazan/Palestinian nation state (like Jordan) than the status quo. If Gazans and west Bank Palestinians opted for peace, the Israeli Hawks would be voted out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carepov Posted July 7 Author Report Share Posted July 7 3 hours ago, Black Dog said: See, you have to pretend that the 3 million or so people living under Israel's thumb with zero rights or representation don't exist to keep your narrative intact. So Israel a country that was founded in 1948, was one of the first to grant women full rights? Sounds sus. Also, gay marriage is not legal in Israel. Arab Israelis are 20% of the population and 8% of the Knesset. Your talking points haven't been updated in a while. whataboutism. How about we rank the following countries/territories in terms of the values that are important to you. For example, where do Palestinian people enjoy the highest standard of living/freedom etc: Israel Egypt Jordan Sýria Lebanon Westbank Gaza Saudi Arabia UAE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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