Loblaws Boycott

[ExFlyer]

13 hours ago, taxme said:

You are one hell of a Marxist imbecile alright. Are they treating you well in the communist party of Canada, imbecile? The dictator in Ottawa would sure like to have an imbecile like you on his payroll alright. But then again, maybe you are on his payroll, you commie suck. Imagine being called a whiner from this imbecile for wanting to fight for freedom and freedom of speech in Canada. 

How stupid can someone like you be before you begin to see as to what is happening in Canada today. Anti-freedom of speech bills galore coming out of Ottawa and this Marxist imbecile thinks that i am the enemy here. It is i who should be feeling sorry for you, imbecile. 

So, are you a card carrying member of some local communist party, imbecile? The communist party of Canada is a great place for commies like you, imbecile. Just saying, imbecile. You are quite the laugh yourself alright, imbecile. Sad indeed, alright.🤣

 

 

Yup, you just continue to prove my point.

"Man, you are one sad individual LOL

Re-read all your posts. There is not one where you are not whining or complaining.  My comment is not an attack but stating a fact"

[herbie]

There's only black and white.

If you're not 100% a laissez-faire capitalist you must be a Marxist.
Consumer protections are just more nanny-state ideas.  Consumers are just meat to be eaten.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

There's only black and white.

Racist. 

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If you're not 100% a laissez-faire capitalist you must be a Marxist.
Consumer protections are just more nanny-state ideas.  Consumers are just meat to be eaten.

No, if you're a marxist you must be a marxist. Which does beg the question - MUST you be such a marxist?  

 

[ExFlyer]

18 hours ago, herbie said:

There's only black and white.

If you're not 100% a laissez-faire capitalist you must be a Marxist.
Consumer protections are just more nanny-state ideas.  Consumers are just meat to be eaten.

Who are you talking about?

Or, what comment sparked this response?

[NAME REMOVED]

On 5/18/2024 at 7:32 AM, ExFlyer said:

Yup, you just continue to prove my point.

"Man, you are one sad individual LOL

Re-read all your posts. There is not one where you are not whining or complaining.  My comment is not an attack but stating a fact"

Taxme is a MAGA Trumpster. They are allergic to facts. 

[eyeball]

On 5/15/2024 at 6:24 AM, Perspektiv said:

If nothing is administered to lower their skyrocketing expenses, I don't understand how one can expect them to undercut themselves for the greater good of others, at the detriment of their own businesses.

It's not just skyrocketing expenses affecting food production, climate changes are also an increasingly important factor. But I suspect a lot of farmers, especially big corporate growers still deny it, to the detriment of their customers and themselves.

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's not just skyrocketing expenses affecting food production, climate changes are also an increasingly important factor. But I suspect a lot of farmers, especially big corporate growers still deny it, to the detriment of their customers and themselves.

It really isn't. Especially in canada.   I recall the last time you made that claim the best you could come up with was a research paper suggesting that one day it would be.  Maybe. 

It's not a factor currently. 

The bigger problems are rising demand and Labour shortages. 

Demand is rising in Canada. We are bringing in a million new mouths to feed each year without taking any gov't steps to increase food production to account for that.

Labour shortages also strangle our ability to grow. And we can't just bring in more mouths to feed to resolve that. we need investment in training and equipping people with the machinery and tools to plant and harvest more - but the gov't is discouraging  investment right now. 

Canadian worker shortages could cause food shortages (irpp.org)

 

Besides which - it couldn't POSSIB LY be climate change, i've been paying my carbon tax for years now so i'm sure it's solved  

[herbie]

The candy on the clearance shelf was $3.00 on Weds. it's remarked to $6.69 on the same clearance shelf today. The jelly doughnuts that were 6/$6.69 Thurs. were 6/$7.99 today.
Shit like that is what's making shoppers irate. Like I said before you can buy the Family size pack of sausage rolls and pay 4¢ more if the big sticker fools you.
They ALL pull every sales trick in the book and thinking a different govt would change anything is stupid. Don't bu it and use your feet to shop elsewhere. if you have that choice.

[CdnFox]

49 minutes ago, herbie said:

The candy on the clearance shelf was $3.00 on Weds. it's remarked to $6.69 on the same clearance shelf today. The jelly doughnuts that were 6/$6.69 Thurs. were 6/$7.99 today.
Shit like that is what's making shoppers irate. Like I said before you can buy the Family size pack of sausage rolls and pay 4¢ more if the big sticker fools you.
They ALL pull every sales trick in the book and thinking a different govt would change anything is stupid. Don't bu it and use your feet to shop elsewhere. if you have that choice.

Dude - shop somewhere else.  Or order from amazon. Buy a frikkin' freezer and stock up once in a while when stuff is on sale.  And the last thing your addled brain needs is more sugar so leave the candy and donuts alone ffs. Plant a garden, harvest your own veggies. A winter garden is easy and gives you greens all year round. 

God, to listen to you whine you'd think there was one supermarket in all of canada.  THere's ethiopans reading this saying "that dude sounds like he's got it rough for food".   Learn to frikkin feed yourself!  It's NOT hard! 

[Guest]

14 hours ago, eyeball said:

climate changes are also an increasingly important factor

And taxing Canadians more on fuel, will somehow fix it?

You're already squeezing Canadians, and this is supposed to make them want to drive less, vs squeeze those who need to drive further?

Global warming by its name alone, is a global issue.

Taxing Canadians more, isn't going to do a thing to it. We are a drop in the bucket. Forest fires will still happen.

Pointing them out, is simply using fear mongering, maliciously while omitting facts and reality from the equation.

[ExFlyer]

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

And taxing Canadians more on fuel, will somehow fix it?

You're already squeezing Canadians, and this is supposed to make them want to drive less, vs squeeze those who need to drive further?

Global warming by its name alone, is a global issue.

Taxing Canadians more, isn't going to do a thing to it. We are a drop in the bucket. Forest fires will still happen.

Pointing them out, is simply using fear mongering, maliciously while omitting facts and reality from the equation.

Global warming is another topic but....the carbon taxing to lessen our use of carbon based fuels ties into everything.

The thing is, as this topic is named "Loblaws Boycott"  people forget or do not understand the effect of carbon taxing.

Everything and I mean everything in the supply chain from the tractor fuel to plow the fields, the fertilizer truck to feed the dirt, to the seeds and harvest etc etc  affects the cost of our grocery products.

Oh and, then there is the cost of labour too.

And not even including the expenses the suppliers and stores themselves have to absorb.

My point is, boycotting Loblaws is show business and useless at best. Loblaws will say things to appease but nothing will change.

Lastly, the entire world is experiencing inflation.

 

[Guest]

45 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Lastly, the entire world is experiencing inflation.

 Correct, but some countries are managing their inflation better than others.

If you're experiencing extremely high inflation, heavy handed hand outs aren't a solution to the problem.

You're essentially throwing money at a problem, that ironically is further exacerbating the issue.

Redistributing wealth from your middle class (let's call the carbon tax what it is) won't fix anything, if it costs you 16$ or more for a watermelon. 

59 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Everything and I mean everything in the supply chain from the tractor fuel to plow the fields, the fertilizer truck to feed the dirt, to the seeds and harvest etc etc  affects the cost of our grocery products.

They also affect the environment. From the methane farted and sharted out by cows and pigs, to the food we throw out that rots in landfills. 

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

My point is, boycotting Loblaws is show business and useless at best.

It allows politicians to deflect any pressure off of their shoulders, and using such a movement to make it look like they are trying to do something about it.

 

[ExFlyer]

 

18 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

 1. Correct, but some countries are managing their inflation better than others.

2. If you're experiencing extremely high inflation, heavy handed hand outs aren't a solution to the problem.

You're essentially throwing money at a problem, that ironically is further exacerbating the issue.

Redistributing wealth from your middle class (let's call the carbon tax what it is) won't fix anything, if it costs you 16$ or more for a watermelon. 

3. They also affect the environment. From the methane farted and sharted out by cows and pigs, to the food we throw out that rots in landfills. 

It allows politicians to deflect any pressure off of their shoulders, and using such a movement to make it look like they are trying to do something about it.

 

1  Actually, we in Canada are doing quite well when it comes to inflation. better than many. 

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate

 

https://www.cfr.org/tracker/global-inflation-tracker

2. Not sure what "heavy handed hand outs" are

What money are we throwing?

So, carbon tax, which everyone, individuals, businesses and corporations pay is "redistributing wealth" fro m the middle class only?

3. I do not want to get into cow and pig farts. I will let you run with that one LOL

Not sure what politicians (of all stripes) are deflecting.

Bottom line, Loblaws, and all other grocery stores buy it's products from out of country sources and they pay what is costs.

We, in Canada have a very short harvest season and when we do, our farmers charge us so much we buy imported because it is cheaper. If you decide to go to local markets and willing pay way more for your products when in season, then you have no right to complain about Loblaw (or any other grocery store) prices.

 

 

Edited May 21, 2024 by ExFlyer

[Guest]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

better than many

A crack addict is doing better than a fetanyl addict. Its meaningless.

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

I do not want to get into cow and pig farts.

Or methane. One of the most destructive to our ozone layer.

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

then you have no right to complain about Loblaw (or any other grocery store) prices.

I don't. I just shop where prices and quality are better for my budget.

 

[ExFlyer]

11 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

1. A crack addict is doing better than a fetanyl addict. Its meaningless.

2. Or methane. One of the most destructive to our ozone layer.

3. I don't. I just shop where prices and quality are better for my budget.

 

1. Really? Just responding to your whine about how bad inflation is. Showing inflation is an international issue. Inflation in other countries affects us here in Canada considering we are buyers, not builders.

2. Yeah, OK. cow and pig farts LOL  Farts are a distant problem.  Maybe people farts are part of the problem too LOL "Fossil fuels – coal, oil and gas – are by far the largest contributor to global climate change, accounting for over 75 per cent of global greenhouse gas emissions and nearly 90 per cent of all carbon dioxide emissions. "

3. Where and why you do your groceries is up to you. If you want to buy them cheaper, then you will not go to your local farmers markets.The local farmers market gets its produce frm the same supplier as the chain stores,it is not any better than the chains.  During the harvest season local markets charges far more than the chain stores and if you are willing to pay them, then you really have no basis to complain about chain  (Loblaws) prices.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Global warming is another topic but....the carbon taxing to lessen our use of carbon based fuels ties into everything.

The thing is, as this topic is named "Loblaws Boycott"  people forget or do not understand the effect of carbon taxing.

Everything and I mean everything in the supply chain from the tractor fuel to plow the fields, the fertilizer truck to feed the dirt, to the seeds and harvest etc etc  affects the cost of our grocery products.

Oh and, then there is the cost of labour too.

And not even including the expenses the suppliers and stores themselves have to absorb.

My point is, boycotting Loblaws is show business and useless at best. Loblaws will say things to appease but nothing will change.

All true.  The other factor not always realized is those things you mentioned also interact with each other negatively. Carbon taxes stack one on top of another for example. If I have to mix $10 into my price to pay for the carbon tax then the next person has to add their carbon tax and my $10 to their price in order to pay for things. And as costs go up due to increased labor prices then laborers demand more money to get by and costs go up further. Well the effect of any one thing is not huge, when you begin to put it all together it's massive.

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Lastly, the entire world is experiencing inflation.

We are doing badly when it comes to inflation. I know you've got another discussion going about this, But the fact is we are not doing well. Yes there are some around the world doing worse and there are some doing much better. They are different countries with different circumstances.

But we can look at our own country and what our own banks and economists are saying.And what they are saying almost universally and with a loud voice is that Even in the beginning most of our inflation was made in Canada, At least half, And that a 3% reduction in government spending would have had the same effect as the interest rate increases which fueled inflation in the short term.

And at this point it's almost entirely Canada made. The majority of our inflation comes from bad tax and monetary policy combined with excessive immigration.

Canada was positioned to be one of those countries that did exceptionally well on the inflationary front. In fact we did not. We did very badly. And the way our inflation is calculated masks the true effect of inflation on many people.

The thing you have to remember about inflation is that it doesn't go away just when the inflation rate drops. If inflation goes up 10% last year and drops to 0% this year food is still 10% more expensive. That won't go away until wage increases outpace inflation for it long enough to make up the difference which will be years

[ExFlyer]

21 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

All true.  The other factor not always realized is those things you mentioned also interact with each other negatively. Carbon taxes stack one on top of another for example. If I have to mix $10 into my price to pay for the carbon tax then the next person has to add their carbon tax and my $10 to their price in order to pay for things. And as costs go up due to increased labor prices then laborers demand more money to get by and costs go up further. Well the effect of any one thing is not huge, when you begin to put it all together it's massive.

We are doing badly when it comes to inflation. I know you've got another discussion going about this, But the fact is we are not doing well. Yes there are some around the world doing worse and there are some doing much better. They are different countries with different circumstances.

But we can look at our own country and what our own banks and economists are saying.And what they are saying almost universally and with a loud voice is that Even in the beginning most of our inflation was made in Canada, At least half, And that a 3% reduction in government spending would have had the same effect as the interest rate increases which fueled inflation in the short term.

And at this point it's almost entirely Canada made. The majority of our inflation comes from bad tax and monetary policy combined with excessive immigration.

Canada was positioned to be one of those countries that did exceptionally well on the inflationary front. In fact we did not. We did very badly. And the way our inflation is calculated masks the true effect of inflation on many people.

The thing you have to remember about inflation is that it doesn't go away just when the inflation rate drops. If inflation goes up 10% last year and drops to 0% this year food is still 10% more expensive. That won't go away until wage increases outpace inflation for it long enough to make up the difference which will be years

As I showed in the links, Canada is doing quite well keeping inflation low

Could we do better yes but, as primarily a consumer country as opposed to manufacturing country we are at the mercy of the selling country. We pay more hence, our inflation is up.

Using the example of cumulative inflation is actually meaningless as we do get raises (or get to stay home and pretend to work ). It depends how far back you want to go to cumulatively express inflation. It was waaay cheaper 5 years ago, 10 years ago 20 years ago. Inflation is what it is and as I said, being a consumer and buying everything, we are beholding to other countries.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

As I showed in the links, Canada is doing quite well keeping inflation low

The links are not relevant.  Bank report after bank report shows we are not.  That's from here in this country. I've posted them in the past, would you like me to post a bunch of them again?

Our inflation rate is much higher than it should be. That means we're doing badly.  Sorry. 

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Could we do better yes 

Then we're doing badly. 

2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Using the example of cumulative inflation is actually meaningless as we do get raises

Then you add the cumulative increase in wages and see if it exceeds or falls behind inflation.  Hint - it's fallen behind. 

So "net" inflation is still a problem. And is still cumulative 

4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

It was waaay cheaper 5 years ago, 10 years ago 20 years ago.

Not really. 

for about  20 years from the late 90's to 2015 inflation and wages have been more or less on par - with wage growth being around 1 percent higher than inflation.

So honestly in, say, 2010 it was cheaper to live than 1990. Even 2015 was pretty much the same affordability. 

Covid forced inflation in a couple of ways.  External factors such as supply accounted for half the inflation, with the other half being internal. But it's not like we could have done NO cerb or the like during covid. 

But - by 2022 -2023 more and more of it was entirely avoidable. 

Now we're getting closer to target but not because we've actually addressed the issues but because Trudeau has stalled the economy and we're going to lag in growth.  Which is a bad way to handle it. 

We've done very badly on the inflation front and it's going to take a while before we resolve it.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

The links are not relevant.  Bank report after bank report shows we are not.  That's from here in this country. I've posted them in the past, would you like me to post a bunch of them again?

Our inflation rate is much higher than it should be. That means we're doing badly.  Sorry. 

Then we're doing badly. 

Then you add the cumulative increase in wages and see if it exceeds or falls behind inflation.  Hint - it's fallen behind. 

So "net" inflation is still a problem. And is still cumulative 

Not really. 

for about  20 years from the late 90's to 2015 inflation and wages have been more or less on par - with wage growth being around 1 percent higher than inflation.

So honestly in, say, 2010 it was cheaper to live than 1990. Even 2015 was pretty much the same affordability. 

Covid forced inflation in a couple of ways.  External factors such as supply accounted for half the inflation, with the other half being internal. But it's not like we could have done NO cerb or the like during covid. 

But - by 2022 -2023 more and more of it was entirely avoidable. 

Now we're getting closer to target but not because we've actually addressed the issues but because Trudeau has stalled the economy and we're going to lag in growth.  Which is a bad way to handle it. 

We've done very badly on the inflation front and it's going to take a while before we resolve it.

Yeah OK.

I won't argue with you. The links are very relevant as they show todays inflation rates for many countries and we are not so bad.

But hey, you always know better

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Yeah OK.

I won't argue with you. The links are very relevant as they show todays inflation rates for many countries and we are not so bad.

But hey, you always know better

"I won't argue with you'  followed by arguing with me. 

K. 

The links are pointless as anyone who's not a trudeau fanboy can see.  We are far worse than we should be. 

But hey - you always deny facts   

Economists, banks, the BOC are all admitting now that gov't spending and immigtation are driving most of our inflation.  Here's a light sampling.  The actual reports from the banks are more direct. 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjej8DFrp-GAxVHMDQIHZ1gD7cQFnoECDgQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Fworld%2Famericas%2Fcanada-keeps-immigration-target-unchanged-next-2-years-amid-housing-crunch-2023-11-01%2F&usg=AOvVaw1yrM3gFDyoW8YZO_gdufDW&opi=89978449

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjej8DFrp-GAxVHMDQIHZ1gD7cQFnoECDgQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Fworld%2Famericas%2Fcanada-keeps-immigration-target-unchanged-next-2-years-amid-housing-crunch-2023-11-01%2F&usg=AOvVaw1yrM3gFDyoW8YZO_gdufDW&opi=89978449

Immigration to Canada: BMO Sees Trudeau Policy Boosting Inflation in Short Term - Bloomberg

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiogZ6Rr5-GAxUhIzQIHckbCSgQFnoECCIQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fglobalnews.ca%2Fnews%2F10048805%2Fbank-of-canada-government-spending-inflation%2F&usg=AOvVaw094E6ZgXzFvsufnlo3Z4ON&opi=89978449

Government spending affecting inflcaton canada - Google Search

Spending sprees by governments across Canada help fuel inflation and high interest rates | Fraser Institute

[ExFlyer]

21 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

"I won't argue with you'  followed by arguing with me. 

K. 

The links are pointless as anyone who's not a trudeau fanboy can see.  We are far worse than we should be. 

But hey - you always deny facts   

Economists, banks, the BOC are all admitting now that gov't spending and immigtation are driving most of our inflation.  Here's a light sampling.  The actual reports from the banks are more direct. 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjej8DFrp-GAxVHMDQIHZ1gD7cQFnoECDgQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Fworld%2Famericas%2Fcanada-keeps-immigration-target-unchanged-next-2-years-amid-housing-crunch-2023-11-01%2F&usg=AOvVaw1yrM3gFDyoW8YZO_gdufDW&opi=89978449

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjej8DFrp-GAxVHMDQIHZ1gD7cQFnoECDgQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Fworld%2Famericas%2Fcanada-keeps-immigration-target-unchanged-next-2-years-amid-housing-crunch-2023-11-01%2F&usg=AOvVaw1yrM3gFDyoW8YZO_gdufDW&opi=89978449

Immigration to Canada: BMO Sees Trudeau Policy Boosting Inflation in Short Term - Bloomberg

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiogZ6Rr5-GAxUhIzQIHckbCSgQFnoECCIQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fglobalnews.ca%2Fnews%2F10048805%2Fbank-of-canada-government-spending-inflation%2F&usg=AOvVaw094E6ZgXzFvsufnlo3Z4ON&opi=89978449

Government spending affecting inflcaton canada - Google Search

Spending sprees by governments across Canada help fuel inflation and high interest rates | Fraser Institute

Aaaaand away you go.

I post relevant new links and you dig up old shit and think you are on top of things. What a laugh.

Wake up....it's today, not last year LOL

Oh and this is not an argument, mine are relevant current facts  and links

 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Showing inflation is an international issue. 

It is. It however isn't an international issue, if your politicians are overspending and making the issue far worse in your country, than in others.

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

and nearly 90 per cent of all carbon dioxide emissions

How much are from cars? How much from buses? Aircraft? Freight trucks?

Throwing numbers at will and not breaking them down for relevance, is deliberately using "facts" to push an agenda, or to stoke anxieties about an issue.

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

then you really have no basis to complain about chain  (Loblaws) prices

Loblaws is all about targeting a giant, than anything else. 

[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Aaaaand away you go.

I post relevant new links and you dig up old shit and think you are on top of things. What a laugh.

You didn't post anything 'new'. 

What is happening in other countries is not relevant to what happens in our country.  

I'll put it another way - if every country was doing better would our rate be 'bad' then? What would have actually changed?  It's like complaining your wage isn't enough because the neighbour makes more. 

Our rate is significantly higher than it should be. That is the only measure that matters. 

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Wake up....it's today, not last year LOL

But it IS lastyear.  This year's inflation is stacked on TOP of last years. So last year's prices are still with us today, any inflation now ADDS to those prices. 

I did try to explain that to you. 

And the links i provided discussing the causes are all from this year. 

And you think last year has no impact on this year?  what, do you have the memory capacity of a goldfish or something?

Ask someone who's trying to afford rent or their first home right now how 'great' we're doing with inflation. 

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Oh and this is not an argument, mine are relevant current facts  and links

I suppose that you repeating a lie is not an argument.  But Either way you're still wrong. 

Your links aren't relevant. We're doing poorly on the inflation front. We should be MUCH lower OR our interest rate should be (they're two sides of the same coin). 

The primary causes of our over target inflation are goernment spending, unsustainable levels of immigration  and taxes.  Not 'becuz odders is moar!"

If the gov't reduced immigration, cut spending and eliminated wasteful taxes like the carbon tax inflation would very quickly drop and interest rates with it. 

[ExFlyer]

12 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

1.  It is. It however isn't an international issue, if your politicians are overspending and making the issue far worse in your country, than in others.

2.How much are from cars? How much from buses? Aircraft? Freight trucks?

3.Throwing numbers at will and not breaking them down for relevance, is deliberately using "facts" to push an agenda, or to stoke anxieties about an issue.

4. Loblaws is all about targeting a giant, than anything else. 

1. Inflation is world wide, hence an international issue. If you are a buyer instead of a producer, you pay the going price.

2. Burning fossil fuels...whatever is doing that. Cows and pigs do not run on fossil fuels LOL

3. I am not pushing an agenda, just responding to your posts. Take em if you want or leave em if you want....changes nothing, they are fact.

4. My point isl, if you boycott, at least you should know the facts and understand all the facts.

[eyeball]

9 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

And taxing Canadians more on fuel, will somehow fix it?

It'll help. There's mounting evidence that carbon pricing is reducing CO2 emissions. Perhaps you're expecting a near immediate effect like steering the wheel on a car - it's more like steering a massive ship away from its collision course and it takes longer for the bow respond to the rudder.