compaq905 Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 My geography teacher believes that the globe and mail is right wing, I could not disagree more. Give me you thoughts so I can print them out and hopefully prove him wrong!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 My geography teacher believes that the globe and mail is right wing, I could not disagree more. Give me you thoughts so I can print them out and hopefully prove him wrong!!!! Three days before a federal election, with the Tories well ahead in all polls, the G & M publishes this headline in big letters on the front page: Harper's Lead Takes A Hit Tell your geography teacher to take this test and then tell you the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffrey Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 My geography teacher believes that the globe and mail is right wing, I could not disagree more. Give me you thoughts so I can print them out and hopefully prove him wrong!!!! If your geography teacher thinks all of the globe and mail is right wing, then yes, he is mistaken. There are a few right wing writers. The general slant of the paper though, is normally discussed as being leftist. This is all relative though. If your geography teacher is a communist, then yes, he would think the Globe is extremely right wing. Where as if you were an American, the Globe would be very left wing. In this election the Globe did endorse the Conservatives, which was a suprise to many. The Globe is owned by Bell Globemedia (owned by the Thompson family, richest Canadians). Bell Globemedia also owns CTV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMH Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Communists Dammit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiraly Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Personally, I feel the G & M leans left. I think you would be hard pressed to find many small "c" conservatives that would disagree with this opinion. Every time I read a Globe and Mail article online that relates to Harper and the Conservatives, the comments section is filled will negative opinions of Harper and the Conservatives. If their readership is predominantly anti-conservative, I doubt that a majority of their writers are pro-conservative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiraly Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Geoffrey... ...of the two dozen or so endorsements I saw, only the Toronto Star endorsed the Liberals. I believe the Montreal Gazette and La Presse endorsed the Conservatives as did the two main Vancouver dailies. The fact that a newspaper endorses a party does not determine whether or not a bias exists. Had the Globe endorsed the Liberals, their credibility or lack thereof, would not be dissimilar to that of the Toronto Red Star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml12 Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 My geography teacher believes that the globe and mail is right wing, I could not disagree more. Give me you thoughts so I can print them out and hopefully prove him wrong!!!! The Globe and Mail traditionally supported the Liberals but I haven't read their paper in years. Apparently recently they have shifted to the right with John Ibbitson, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml12 Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Geoffrey......of the two dozen or so endorsements I saw, only the Toronto Star endorsed the Liberals. I believe the Montreal Gazette and La Presse endorsed the Conservatives as did the two main Vancouver dailies. The fact that a newspaper endorses a party does not determine whether or not a bias exists. Had the Globe endorsed the Liberals, their credibility or lack thereof, would not be dissimilar to that of the Toronto Red Star. Kiraly, The Montreal Gazette and La Presse endorsed the Conservatives that's correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffrey Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Geoffrey......of the two dozen or so endorsements I saw, only the Toronto Star endorsed the Liberals. I believe the Montreal Gazette and La Presse endorsed the Conservatives as did the two main Vancouver dailies. The fact that a newspaper endorses a party does not determine whether or not a bias exists. Had the Globe endorsed the Liberals, their credibility or lack thereof, would not be dissimilar to that of the Toronto Red Star. My apologies, I thought the Globe did as well. I still think its leftist regardless of whether they endorsed the CPC or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverwind Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 The Globe and Mail traditionally supported the Liberals but I haven't read their paper in years. Apparently recently they have shifted to the right with John Ibbitson, etc.I find these discussions of media bias extremely simplistic. The G&M is an economically right-wing but socially libertarian paper. This means people who assume that right wing economic thinking must also be coupled with social conservative values will think the G&M is left wing because of its positions on issues like SSM. Calling the G&M a left wing paper is aburd.In the 80s the G&M was an unapologetic supporter of the PCs under Mulroney. It only started to support the Liberals after the PCs split into the Reform party and BQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml12 Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 The Globe and Mail traditionally supported the Liberals but I haven't read their paper in years. Apparently recently they have shifted to the right with John Ibbitson, etc.I find these discussions of media bias extremely simplistic. The G&M is an economically right-wing but socially libertarian paper. This means people who assume that right wing economic thinking must also be coupled with social conservative values will think the G&M is left wing because of its positions on issues like SSM. Calling the G&M a left wing paper is aburd.Furthermore, in the 80s the G&M was an unapologetic supported of the PCs under Mulroney. It only started to support the Liberals after the PCs split into the Reform party and BQ. Fair enough Sparkawk...it was in the 1990s that I was saying they were pro-Liberal anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverwind Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Fair enough Sparkawk...it was in the 1990s that I was saying they were pro-Liberal anyway... There is an import distinction to make here: the G&M has an economic and social liberatarian bias and they will support whatever party best reflects these principals. In the 90s the Liberals were the closest fit. In the 80s it was the PCs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimera Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 This is all relative though. If your geography teacher is a communist, then yes, he would think the Globe is extremely right wing. Where as if you were an American, the Globe would be very left wing. I fully agree with Geoffrey on this one. In most cases, it seems to me that media bias is a reflection of the readers own leanings. For instance, the articles about Harper's speech to that American group from so many years ago. Conservatives saw that as a bias against Harper, even though it was true. On the flip side, the whole Martin CSL not paying Canadian taxes. Again true, but Liberals see it as being anti-Martin. "you'll find that many of the truths we cling to depend on a certain point of view" (or something similar) -Obi Wan Kenobi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 To be frank I think the G&M provides a relatively objective view of the news. During the campaign they were pointing out gaffes all the leaders committed, and didn't seem to be biased to anyone in particular. I think there was an editorial near the end of the campaign supporting Harper, but the editorial aside I thought they did a fairly good job. Far better then the CBC, which even in its results coverage was pro-Liberal. Did anyone notice that for every consticuency that the CBC was reporting on they had a big picture of the Liberal candidate and smaller pictures for every other party? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeyhands Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 G&M - NDP Toronto Star - Liberal Toronto Sun & National Post - Conservative GENERALLY SPEAKING The G&M used to be pro Conservative but if you've read it in the last 2,3 maybe 4 years it is defiunately way left leaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml12 Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 G&M - NDP Toronto Star - Liberal Toronto Sun & National Post - Conservative GENERALLY SPEAKINGThe G&M used to be pro Conservative but if you've read it in the last 2,3 maybe 4 years it is defiunately way left leaning. CanWest papers like The National Post tend to be more right-leaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 CanWest papers like The National Post tend to be more right-leaning. The National Post is to the right of the Globe and Mail, but that doesn't take much. Socially at least, the Globe and Mail has been moving more and more to the left every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml12 Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 CanWest papers like The National Post tend to be more right-leaning. The National Post is to the right of the Globe and Mail, but that doesn't take much. Socially at least, the Globe and Mail has been moving more and more to the left every year. The Globe is surely more libertarian than the National Post, which is more traditional conservative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellowtraveller Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 CanWest papers like The National Post tend to be more right-leaning. The Can West Edmonton Journal is definitely left leaning. I only read the Grope and Flail occasionally, since the paper - despite its 'Canadas newspaper' claim, is so Toronto-centric. Which means : frequently boring, just like Toronto itself.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montgomery Burns Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 The G&M is unquestionably leftwing. One of the top guns in the Ontario Liberal Party is a lobbyist for Bell Globemedia, which own the G&M and the CTV. Look at the G&M's limp endorsement for the Conservatives. Basically, they said that even though the Liberal Party was fantastic and the CP sucks, it is probably time for a change. Cartoons of G&M staff burning bibles in their offices, columnists calling born-again Christians "undesirable", etc. Five alarm front-page headlines when Martin got a slight bump in the polls for Ontario (a 5 pt spike), front-page headlines about Harper's image problem (he doesn't smile enough), while buried in the paper the results of a poll saying that Martin was the most distrusted of the national leaders. Just look at the last week of the campaign. Martin was shrieking about abortion, and the media went right along with him. They refused to report what the Canadian public feels, only what they feel. And the Canadian public does not support unlimited late-term abortions where a baby can be aborted as it is coming out of the mother's canal. Hiring a couple of moderates like Ibbitson does not make a paper right-leaning. Don't worry too much about what your teachers tell you. Most of them are radical leftists. I figure the professors at the U of S were about 5% conservative, 25% liberal, and 70% were outright Marxists. I was taught in school that Canada burnt down the White House, not the British. I was taught that the National Socialist Hitler was a rightwinger, an absolutely astounding assumption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml12 Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 CanWest papers like The National Post tend to be more right-leaning. The Can West Edmonton Journal is definitely left leaning. I only read the Grope and Flail occasionally, since the paper - despite its 'Canadas newspaper' claim, is so Toronto-centric. Which means : frequently boring, just like Toronto itself.. Could be...never read it. Do the Globe and Mails in Edmonton have Toronto advertisements in them??? because the ones in Montreal do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uOttawaMan Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Read the Ottawa Citizen today on the train home. Tends to sit centre-left me thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml12 Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Read the Ottawa Citizen today on the train home. Tends to sit centre-left me thinks. They are CanWest too. I stand corrected because the Montreal Gazette is quite right-leaning and that and the National Post are the two CanWest papers in Montreal. I don't know if there is a Liberal editor for the Gazette, what with Josee Legault's separatist Boisclair-loving pieces (still can't believe she lives in TMR), L. Ian Macdonald, Norman Webster, and Don MacPherson are pro-Harper all the way, and Janet Bagnall rambles on about feminism in her "hear-me-I-am-left-of-the-NDP" pieces. Henry Aubin is the one who somewhat endorsed the Liberal gun registry but he only writes on municipal affairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uOttawaMan Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Read the Ottawa Citizen today on the train home. Tends to sit centre-left me thinks. They are CanWest too. Janet Bagnall rambles on about feminism in her "hear-me-I-am-left-of-the-NDP" pieces. Yea, but I read the Citizen often, and definetly seem left leaning, not right leaning as some suggested CanWest tends to be. And Janet Bagnall is beyond left of the Greens, she's wayy beyond NDP which seems to be trying to become the "Liberal Democratic Party" of Canada.. hmm.. thats catchy, hey, lets unite the left. That will work I swearrr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I miss Reagan Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Don't forget that it was Canwest's dumba$$ Kevin Newman who felt he needed to bring up abortion 3 days before the election because I guess he felt Harper hasn't said it enough that he doesn't plan on pursuing the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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