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[CdnFox]

32 minutes ago, Aristides said:

 

Trump is telling you otherwise. So why is he demanding exemption from any crimes he commits when in office?

This argument comes up once in a while and it's notable for it's sheer ridiculousness.

If you are innocent - why the hell would you want to go to trial if you didn't have to.  Would YOU want to go to trial where it's possible you might be falsely convicted or have to defend yourself if you didn't have to?  The BEST you can hope for is that it's long, tedious, and expensive as hell.

Nobody wants to go to trial for a crime, innocent or guilty. This idea that somehow he woudlnt' MIND taking months out of his life and spending hundreds of thousands of dollars because he's innocent is beyond 1diotic.

He wants exemption so he doesn't have to go through the cost and headache and pain of a trial.  To quote robosmith - DUH!

[Aristides]

39 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

This argument comes up once in a while and it's notable for it's sheer ridiculousness.

If you are innocent - why the hell would you want to go to trial if you didn't have to.  Would YOU want to go to trial where it's possible you might be falsely convicted or have to defend yourself if you didn't have to?  The BEST you can hope for is that it's long, tedious, and expensive as hell.

Nobody wants to go to trial for a crime, innocent or guilty. This idea that somehow he woudlnt' MIND taking months out of his life and spending hundreds of thousands of dollars because he's innocent is beyond 1diotic.

He wants exemption so he doesn't have to go through the cost and headache and pain of a trial.  To quote robosmith - DUH!

He want's and exemption so he can get away with anything without being held accountable. Trials determine guilt or innocence, not the defendants.

[CdnFox]

26 minutes ago, Aristides said:

He want's and exemption so he can get away with anything without being held accountable.

Maybe - but that's not in evidence just because he doesn't want to go to a trial. NOBODY wants a trial.

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Trials determine guilt or innocence, not the defendants.

Trials cost money, suck up huge amounts of time, and there is always the possibility that even if you are innocent you may be found guilty anyway.

So  even if you are innocent as hell (in fact ESPECIALLY then) you do NOT want to do one if you dont' have to.

To be clear - i'm not commenting on his guilt or innocence or motives - just that its asinine to propose that someone is guilty if they don't want to be charged and go to trial for something. NOBODY wants that, especially if you're innocent.

[Aristides]

51 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Maybe - but that's not in evidence just because he doesn't want to go to a trial. NOBODY wants a trial.

Trials cost money, suck up huge amounts of time, and there is always the possibility that even if you are innocent you may be found guilty anyway.

So  even if you are innocent as hell (in fact ESPECIALLY then) you do NOT want to do one if you dont' have to.

To be clear - i'm not commenting on his guilt or innocence or motives - just that its asinine to propose that someone is guilty if they don't want to be charged and go to trial for something. NOBODY wants that, especially if you're innocent.

We have trials to determine innocence and guilt, defendants don't get to do it by themselves. Trump says he is innocent so you say he is innocent, no need to go any farther according to you.

[CdnFox]

53 minutes ago, Aristides said:

We have trials to determine innocence and guilt, defendants don't get to do it by themselves.

That makes no sense.  If a person can avoid going to trial then there is no defendant.  The point is we don't have trials at random, and if a person can avoid going to trial that is something they're going to do whether they are innocent or not.  So if they take steps to avoid a trial legally that is not any indication of guilt or innocence.

 

[Aristides]

Trials aren't random, if there is no basis to charge, the court will not hear them. Someone who is charged doesn't get to decide the outcome. If Trump does get immunity, Biden or any future president will have the same immunity, or are you saying Trump should be the only president that gets to be immune? That sounds  like a dictatorship to me.

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Trials aren't random,

That is MY point. That's what i said. While i'm glad you're paying attention you don't need to tell me what i've just told you.

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if there is no basis to charge, the court will not hear them.

That is the point.  Trump is claiming there is no basis to the charge. That kills the trial. You apperently think that unless he wants a trial it means he's guilty.

How is this that freaking hard for you?  Do you not understand what i'm saying?  it's very simple - the reason trump is saying there's no grounds for a trial is because NOBODY wants to have a trial when they don't have to

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Someone who is charged doesn't get to decide the outcome.

Are you being deliberately stupid?  Did anyone anywhere say that someone who's charged gets to decide the outcome? Has that been brought up at all?  Is anyone suggesting that? Do you even know what you're discussing?

FFS - this is VERY simple.  A 6 year old could get this -  trump is arguing that there is no basis for a trial.  THe reason is that trials are expensive and long and very bad things and he doesn't want to have one if there's no basis for it.  That doesnt' mean he's guilty as you insinuated previously  it just means he doesn't want a trial if he doesnt' have to have one.

Yeash man.

[Aristides]

So Trump claiming there is no basis so there is no trial is all you need to know.  Wow, who knew getting out of being charged could be so simple. See how well that works if you get charged with something.

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, Aristides said:

So Trump claiming there is no basis so there is no trial is all you need to know.  

Know about what?  I said it's not proof either way of his innocence or guilt.

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Wow, who knew getting out of being charged could be so simple.

Simple? You have to make the case to the judge and get them to agree with your position, there's nothing simple about it.

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See how well that works if you get charged with something.

If i have a valid legal argument that i shouldn't be charged then sure   ROFLMAO!  

Hey guess what - the police DIDN'T charge me today! Know why? No valid charges!!  Looks like i managed to get out of that one!! Same as the day before! And before and before etc etc!  wow!

Trumps argument is there's no legitimate charge because the law is not offended for various reasons - if there's no legitimate charge then of COURSE there's no trial.  How did you THINK the world worked?

[Aristides]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Know about what?  I said it's not proof either way of his innocence or guilt.

Simple? You have to make the case to the judge and get them to agree with your position, there's nothing simple about it.

If i have a valid legal argument that i shouldn't be charged then sure   ROFLMAO!  

Hey guess what - the police DIDN'T charge me today! Know why? No valid charges!!  Looks like i managed to get out of that one!! Same as the day before! And before and before etc etc!  wow!

Trumps argument is there's no legitimate charge because the law is not offended for various reasons - if there's no legitimate charge then of COURSE there's no trial.  How did you THINK the world worked?

It’s a court that decides if you have a valid legal argument or whether a charge is valid, not you, Trump or any other defendant.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

It’s a court that decides if you have a valid legal argument

No, if there's no valid legal argument then it CANNOT go to court.  A court can decide to dismiss a charge once it's laid for various reasons but you CANNOT lay a charge OR have a court case if there's no valid reason.

In this case he's asked a judge to rule that there's no valid charge here. IF the judge agrees with him and rules in his favour then there will be no charges and no court will ever be involved.

How do you not know this?

[Aristides]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No, if there's no valid legal argument then it CANNOT go to court.  A court can decide to dismiss a charge once it's laid for various reasons but you CANNOT lay a charge OR have a court case if there's no valid reason.

In this case he's asked a judge to rule that there's no valid charge here. IF the judge agrees with him and rules in his favour then there will be no charges and no court will ever be involved.

How do you not know this?

So? The court decides if the argument is valid, not Trump and to do that it has to go before a judge. Trump is asking for immunity from the consequences of criminal behaviour. 

[WestCanMan]

18 hours ago, CdnFox said:

If you are innocent - why the hell would you want to go to trial if you didn't have to. 

With the Dems the accusation is everything. It's their favourite thing, running around making baseless accusations. 

A false investigation/trial that drains Trump's time and resources is good for America's enemies, and that's who the Dems work for. 

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, Aristides said:

So? The court decides if the argument is valid, not Trump and to do that it has to go before a judge. Trump is asking for immunity from the consequences of criminal behaviour. 

A judge decides, that's not quite the same thing and that's where trump has submitted his petition - so what on earth is your issue?  Trump is asking a JUDGE for it - so trump isn't "deciding it on his own".   You seem to be arguing that trump can't just ask a judge, he has to ask a judge.

Let me guess - you screwed up in your initial reply, now realize what you said was wrong, and you're trying to think of a way to backpeddal and retcon what you said so that it looks less foolish.

Trump has asked a judge to rule that the law is not offended due to various reasons and therefore charges are not applicable.  That does not indicate whether he's 'guilty' or not.  End of story.

 

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

With the Dems the accusation is everything. It's their favourite thing, running around making baseless accusations. 

A false investigation/trial that drains Trump's time and resources is good for America's enemies, and that's who the Dems work for. 

It does seem to have kept them busy for the last 8 years or so