Increased Illegal Immigration Brings Increased Crime: Almost 2/3 of Federal Arrests Involve Noncitizens

[Nationalist]

Here are some "facts" for the more...tweenkieish...among us.

1. Trump built hundreds of miles of wall without Pelosi's concent or money. Once back in the Whitehouse he'll finish it.

2. Remain in Mexico worked and was not illegal.

3. Brandon's bill is a 5000 head a day waste of paper that's DOA.

[I am Groot]

12 hours ago, Deluge said:

Right after 5,000 criminal invaders pour into the country everyday? F*ck that. 

The US is getting an average of 6,000 a day now.

12 hours ago, Deluge said:

We don't need some bullshit bill. We need a commander-in-chief who's into border security, not illegal immigration. 

You mean you need a commander in chief who will ignore the law and ignore the courts, right?

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Here are some "facts" for the more...tweenkieish...among us.

1. Trump built hundreds of miles of wall without Pelosi's concent or money. Once back in the Whitehouse he'll finish it.

How many miles did Trump build his first year in office?

Zero.

His second year?

Zero.

Then the Democrats get control of the House.

Suddenly, he remembers the wall and starts pushing for it! And he illegally takes money from the military budget to use it for that!

You haven't figured out yet Trump doesn't give a shit about the wall or illegal immigration? He's a salesman and you're the suckers he's lining up to buy his spiel - with no refunds allowed.

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

2. Remain in Mexico worked and was not illegal.

Well, as long as you ignore the courts.

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

3. Brandon's bill is a 5000 head a day waste of paper that's DOA.

You didn't notice that it also gave money to build big new detention facilities and hire more border patrolmen so those people who come across illegally can either be turned back or be detained rather than released?

[I am Groot]

13 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

All you ever have is talking points. Never facts or intelligent comments.

In my case the talking points ARE facts and intelligent comments.

You just don't recognize such things.

13 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Who says that the US is obliged to allow people to enter their country? That's not a right that foreigners have. 

Actually, American immigration law says anyone claiming asylum has to be let in until their asylum claim is adjudicated. Now the law your god ordered voted down would have sped up those hearings and detained asylum claimants until they had them. But Trump didn't want that. He wanted them to keep flooding into the country and rape and murder people.

Because he thinks it might be good for his election hopes.

 

[Deluge]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

1. The US is getting an average of 6,000 a day now.

2. You mean you need a commander in chief who will ignore the law and ignore the courts, right?

1. And that's 6,000 too many. The goal needs to be 0. 

2. No, that's what YOU mean because thats what YOU and Biden want for this country. I want illegal aliens ushered out so that they're not illegal aliens anymore.

[Nationalist]

5 hours ago, I am Groot said:

How many miles did Trump build his first year in office?

Zero.

His second year?

Zero.

Then the Democrats get control of the House.

Suddenly, he remembers the wall and starts pushing for it! And he illegally takes money from the military budget to use it for that!

You haven't figured out yet Trump doesn't give a shit about the wall or illegal immigration? He's a salesman and you're the suckers he's lining up to buy his spiel - with no refunds allowed.

Well, as long as you ignore the courts.

You didn't notice that it also gave money to build big new detention facilities and hire more border patrolmen so those people who come across illegally can either be turned back or be detained rather than released?

I noticed 5000.

And remain in Mexico was not illegal.

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, I am Groot said:

In my case the talking points ARE facts and intelligent comments.

FYI "Muh feels" isn't a fact, and if you had anything intelligent to say then you could back it up with cites and legitimate sources.

All you're doing is calling people cultists and generally stating that "thingz wuz ileagle". 

That's not "facts and intelligent comments", it's the exact opposite. 

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You just don't recognize such things.

I recognize them for what they are, not what you want them to be.

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Actually, American immigration law says anyone claiming asylum has to be let in until their asylum claim is adjudicated.

No, Biden just ended the Remain in Mexico policy. It wasn't ruled inconstitutional.

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Now the law your god ordered voted down would have sped up those hearings and detained asylum claimants until they had them.

The hearings didn't have to be "sped up to save money" if the claimants were outside of the US. The migrants wouldn't be costing the US so much money if they were still in Mexico. 

If those people had the means to get all the way to the US border from those far-away countries, and they're still showing up in nice clothes with valuable belongings, they can afford to stay in northern Mexico for a while. No one is being persecuted there. Who's to say they shouldn't just be applying to stay in Mexico? 

Think a little: sometimes it's beneficial to think of the movement of electricity as the "flow of holes" in the opposite direction of the movement of electrons. 

A more practical, everyday use of that kind of logic is to consider the flow of problems among humans. Sometimes instead of doing things to rectify their own problems, people try to foist their problems off on someone else. "I need a place to stay, food, nice suff, etc" becomes "Hey mom", or "Hey gov't"...

Sometimes that's unfair, but when you're doing it to the person who created the problem in the first place, it's more than fair. 

The US has a lot of problems with immigration, one of them being Mexico's tacit support of illegal immigration to the US. They make it too easy. They turn a blind eye. They profit from it. Etc. 

The Remain in Mexico policy put some of the immigrant burden back on Mexico. When it became Mexico's problem, suddenly Mexico was way more motivated to help. Get it? 

When Biden came, and Mexico's motivation was suddenly gone, not only was the US back to dealing with illegals instantly getting in, there were also way more of them coming. Ending Remain in Mexico was a double-edged sword for the US. 

Not even Biden is too stupid to know that, but let's be honest, a lot of those people crossing the border are economic slaves. Where else are the Dems supposed to find hundreds of thousands of people to cut their grass and raise their kids for $4/hr? How many people from Des Moines are going to do that? Baltimore? None. 

That's why Remain in Mexico ended, not because it was illegal. 

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But Trump didn't want that. He wanted them to keep flooding into the country and rape and murder people.

 

 ^That's^ what you cal factual and intelligent? 🤣 What a worthless pile of crap. Black Dog would be proud to lay that smelly pile down here.

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Because he thinks it might be good for his election hopes.

Trump's election hopes are America's hopes. 

[I am Groot]

5 hours ago, Deluge said:

1. And that's 6,000 too many. The goal needs to be 0. 

That's never going to happen and never happened under Trump either.

5 hours ago, Deluge said:

 

2. No, that's what YOU mean because thats what YOU and Biden want for this country. I want illegal aliens ushered out so that they're not illegal aliens anymore.

If you wanted them out you'd have supported the bill. Just like if Trump wanted them out he would have supported the bill. Trump doesn't give a damn about illegal aliens. He employed them on his building sites. He's just spouting whatever the gullible will believe, just like he did when he was a real estate sales guy.

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I noticed 5000.

And remain in Mexico was not illegal.

In fact, he built 52 miles of new fencing, and about 450 miles of replacement fencing for fencing that was "smaller and dilapidated". Even Trump only claims 500 miles.

The courts disagree with you about remain in Mexico being legal. You don't get your own facts.

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

FYI "Muh feels" isn't a fact, and if you had anything intelligent to say then you could back it up with cites and legitimate sources.

I did post them, which showed that a federal court, and appeal court banned 'remain in Mexico', and the supreme court refused to hear an appeal.

Trump used a section of the health act to ban them during Covid. But that had already been found illegal by the first judge who saw it and was working its way up the ladder. Even if it was possible it would have been held to be legal under covid it obviously wouldn't work without covid.

The rest of your brainless rant deleted as it contained nothing intelligent.

 

[WestCanMan]

47 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

I did post them, which showed that a federal court, and appeal court banned 'remain in Mexico', and the supreme court refused to hear an appeal.

Biden unilaterally ended Remain in Mexico but it was actually reinstated by courts after Biden initially banned it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remain_in_Mexico:

• On June 30, 2022, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Biden v. Texas that the Biden administration had the authority to end the policy

Do you know the difference between "The SC eventually said that Biden could end it", and "an appeal court banned it", dummy?  

Can you find a cite showing that a court has finally ruled that the Remain in Mexico policy is unconstitutional? I'd like to see it.

(Of course you can't stupid, it didn't happen. ) 

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Trump used a section of the health act to ban them during Covid. But that had already been found illegal by the first judge who saw it and was working its way up the ladder.

Wrongola. Title 42 was originally paused by one of the Dems' kangaroo courts (aka "the first 'judge' who saw it") but they were overruled by a real court and it remained in place until after the pandemic was declared over.

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Even if it was possible it would have been held to be legal under covid it obviously wouldn't work without covid.

It's worth noting that when Biden declared the pandemic "over", we were experiencing our worst year here in Canada. 19K deaths, compared to only 15k and 14k in the two previous years. 

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The rest of your brainless rant deleted as it contained nothing intelligent.

What you consider a "brainless rant" was actually "facts and intelligent comments". Sorry, you're just a really stupid guy. 

Edited February 11, 2024 by WestCanMan

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

1. That's never going to happen and never happened under Trump either.

2. If you wanted them out you'd have supported the bill. 

1. It's a goal, doormat, and 0 beats the shit out of 5,000.  

2. Wrong. I want them out under a zero tolerance bill.

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

1. It's a goal, doormat, and 0 beats the shit out of 5,000.  

2. Wrong. I want them out under a zero tolerance bill.

Since 2 is impossible and will never happen what you want is for no changes, you brainless cultist.

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Biden unilaterally ended Remain in Mexico but it was actually reinstated by courts after Biden initially banned it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remain_in_Mexico:

• On June 30, 2022, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Biden v. Texas that the Biden administration had the authority to end the policy

Do you know the difference between "The SC eventually said that Biden could end it", and "an appeal court banned it", dummy?  

From the same cite you just listed, bozo. 

On November 9, 2018, then-U.S. president Donald Trump issued a proclamation suspending the right of asylum to any migrant crossing the US–Mexico border outside of a lawful port of entry.^[8] U.S. District Judge Jon S. Tigar of the Northern California District Court issued a November 19 injunction against implementing the policy, which was upheld by the US Supreme Court on December 21, 2018.^[9]

His second attempt was to use Covid (it's just the flu!) as an excuse (It's not dangerous at all!) You'll note that it had failed in federal court and failed in the court of appeals. The SC had simply let it continue until they had heard the case. Biden ended it before that happened.

 

September 2019, the Supreme Court stayed an injunction against the rule in Barr v. East Bay Sanctuary Covenant,^[19] allowing the rule to take effect while legal challenges were pending.^[20]

On March 4, 2020, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ordered the "Remain in Mexico" program halted in the states under its jurisdiction, on the presumption that it violates statutory law; a lawsuit by various advocacy groups against the Department of Homeland Security is still awaiting final decision.^[21] On March 11, 2020, the U.S. Supreme Court stayed the injunction,^[22] allowing the Trump administration to continue the program while litigation continues

 

[Nationalist]

5 hours ago, I am Groot said:

In fact, he built 52 miles of new fencing, and about 450 miles of replacement fencing for fencing that was "smaller and dilapidated". Even Trump only claims 500 miles.

The courts disagree with you about remain in Mexico being legal. You don't get your own facts.

5000 illegals per day treestump.

Remain in Mexico was not and is not illegal. Grow up.

[Deluge]

15 hours ago, I am Groot said:

1. That's never going to happen and never happened under Trump either.

2. If you wanted them out you'd have supported the bill. Just like if Trump wanted them out he would have supported the bill. Trump doesn't give a damn about illegal aliens. He employed them on his building sites. He's just spouting whatever the gullible will believe, just like he did when he was a real estate sales guy.

1. It doesn't have to happen. The point is to make the goal 0, not 5,000. 

2. No, if I want 5,000 per day then I will support the bill. If I want a half-assed approach to deportation I will support the bill. I don't want any of that shit, so I will wait until the real president gets back in does something about it. 

[Deluge]

12 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Since 2 is impossible and will never happen what you want is for no changes, you brainless cultist.

There's only one cult in this country and its the democrat party. The red carpet treatment is over - Texas is proof of that. 

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, I am Groot said:

From the same cite you just listed, bozo. 

On November 9, 2018, then-U.S. president Donald Trump

• Remain in Mexico (officially Migrant Protection Protocols) is a United States immigration policy originally implemented in January 2019 under the administration of President Donald Trump, affecting immigration across the border with Mexico.

What came first: 2018 or 2019? 🤣

Don't take it personally, stupid. 

[I am Groot]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

• Remain in Mexico (officially Migrant Protection Protocols) is a United States immigration policy originally implemented in January 2019 under the administration of President Donald Trump, affecting immigration across the border with Mexico.

What came first: 2018 or 2019? 🤣

Don't take it personally, stupid. 

I realize reading is hard for you, just like for the fat, diaper-boy god you worship, but including that part was to show you that the courts banned remain in Mexico under other laws. Trump then tried, a year later, to do it under emergency health legislation during the height of the covid hysteria - which by the way, was the same time you guys were screaming and howling and ranting like deranged methheads about border controls - and that too had been initially turned down by courts and was on its way to defeat before it was dropped. It would not be possible to even try to implement it again without another health crisis and if Diaper-Don tries it the courts will shut him down again.

You imbecilic twat. 

Edited February 12, 2024 by I am Groot

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

I realize reading is hard for you, just like for the fat, diaper-boy god you worship, but including that part was to show you that the courts banned remain in Mexico under other laws. Trump then tried, a year later, to do it under emergency health legislation during the height of the covid hysteria - which by the way, was the same time you guys were screaming and howling and ranting like deranged methheads about border controls - and that too had been initially turned down by courts and was on its way to defeat before it was dropped. It would not be possible to even try to implement it again without another health crisis and if Diaper-Don tries it the courts will shut him down again.

You imbecilic twat. 

Awww, poor little butthurt loser.

I showed you that the courts upheld the Remain in Mexico policy, it's not his fault that leftists fought so hard to keep the border open. 

If you had any integrity at all you woulda just said: "Sorry, now I see that the Remain in Mexico policy was upheld by judges, just like you said" and we coulda moved on.