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[The Honest Politician]

The Conservatives are far from clean.

Click on the "Ethically Green" video clip.

Ethically Green

[Riverwind]

The Conservatives are far from clean.

The issue is not whether the conservatives are guaranteed to be cleaner than the Liberals (they probably won't be after 2 elections). This is issue is whether the country will benefit from the house cleaning that a new group of people does during their first few years of power.

Martin had his chance to prove that he was a leader worth having despite the record of Liberal mismanagement of various spending initiatives. He has failed miserably so its time to give some one else a chance. Fortunately, the conservatives under steven harper have finally stepped up to the plate and given us some reason to vote for them other than 'the liberals are corrupt'.

[The Honest Politician]

The conservatives are hypocrits running on accountability.

[shoop]

What exactly are the Liberals running on? Today that is?

There have been so many gaffes, scandals and mixed messages in their campaign I am having a tough time keeping track.

[The Honest Politician]

What exactly are the Liberals running on? Today that is?

There have been so many gaffes, scandals and mixed messages in their campaign I am having a tough time keeping track.

Nice try deflecting the issue away from the Conservatives.

The Conservatives mismanaged public money before the Liberals were voted in, and they have never been held accountable. How the Hell can they be running on accountability when they have none themselves.

[shoop]

See this is the example of mixed messages.

The Liberals are saying that Gomery was another government, but are trying to tar the CPC with a scandal 20 YEARS AGO?

Accountability? Didn`t Brian Mulroney win his court case on the Airbus file?

What again are the Liberals running on?

Nice try deflecting the issue away from the Conservatives.

The Conservatives mismanaged public money before the Liberals were voted in, and they have never been held accountable. How the Hell can they be running on accountability when they have none themselves.

[The Honest Politician]

Mulroney sued the federal govt. to get them off his case. Without an airtight case the crown could not justify going ahead with their case, when there was a multi million law suit hinging on the ability to prove Mulroney was involved.

The Conservatives are tarring the Liberals for old crap turn about is fair play. If you can blame another Liberal govt's faults on Martin, then Harper should be subject to the same. Suck it up. The Conservatives are just as bad when in power as the Liberals. So with that in mind. How the Hell can they say they are accountable.

[scribblet]

See this is the example of mixed messages.

The Liberals are saying that Gomery was another government, but are trying to tar the CPC with a scandal 20 YEARS AGO?

Accountability? Didn`t Brian Mulroney win his court case on the Airbus file?

What again are the Liberals running on?

Empty

[tml12]

Mulroney sued the federal govt. to get them off his case. Without an airtight case the crown could not justify going ahead with there case, when there was a multi million law suit hinging on the ability to prove Mulroney was involved.

The Conservatives are tarring the Liberals for old crap turn about is fair play. If you can blame another Liberal govt's faults on Martin, then Harper should be subject to the same. Suck it up. The Conservatives are just as bad when in power as the Liberals. So with that in mind. How the Hell can they say they are accountable.

True and why are people blaming every Conservative Party platform on Mulrooney? I am not a fan of Mulrooney...I will not justify his actions. What I will do is say there have been many other Conservative politicians in this country...like Diefenbaker, etc.

Mulrooney and Chretien were corrupt and I am no fan of either of them. That is in the past...

[The Honest Politician]

The conservatives are the ones focussing on the past.

With the exception of their own questionable past behaviour, speeches, oppinions, beliefs and desires.

[shoop]

If the *Conservatives* are the ones focusing on the past why start a thread about some ten-year old event that calls into question the number of hot air balloons that were flown?

The conservatives are the ones focussing on the past.

With the exception of their own questionable past behaviour, speeches, oppinions, beliefs and desires.

[tml12]

The conservatives are the ones focussing on the past.

With the exception of their own questionable past behaviour, speeches, oppinions, beliefs and desires.

Harper was no Mulrooney Conservative.

[wellandboy]

What exactly are the Liberals running on? Today that is?

There have been so many gaffes, scandals and mixed messages in their campaign I am having a tough time keeping track.

Nice try deflecting the issue away from the Conservatives.

The Conservatives mismanaged public money before the Liberals were voted in, and they have never been held accountable. How the Hell can they be running on accountability when they have none themselves.

Presumably, you are referring to the Progressive Conservative Party of the 1980's mismanaging money. After Mulroney left, his successor Campbell was held accountable, appropriately by the Canadian people. How that was accomplished was the infamous Little Red Book. Did the Liberals deliver-no.

The new Conservative Party is now challenging Liberal mismanagement of money and will be judged accordingly, by the Canadian electorate. With the immediate implimentation of Accountability Act we can anticipate sweeping reforms addressing many past transgressions. Has Paul Martin made any effort at sweeping reforms-NO. Only the CPC and the NDP have proposed effective and long over-due changes.

[tml12]

What exactly are the Liberals running on? Today that is?

There have been so many gaffes, scandals and mixed messages in their campaign I am having a tough time keeping track.

Nice try deflecting the issue away from the Conservatives.

The Conservatives mismanaged public money before the Liberals were voted in, and they have never been held accountable. How the Hell can they be running on accountability when they have none themselves.

Presumably, you are referring to the Progressive Conservative Party of the 1980's mismanaging money. After Mulroney left, his successor Campbell was held accountable, appropriately by the Canadian people. How that was accomplished was the infamous Little Red Book. Did the Liberals deliver-no.

The new Conservative Party is now challenging Liberal mismanagement of money and will be judged accordingly, by the Canadian electorate. With the immediate implimentation of Accountability Act we can anticipate sweeping reforms addressing many past transgressions. Has Paul Martin made any effort at sweeping reforms-NO. Only the CPC and the NDP have proposed effective and long over-due changes.

Well put wellandboy!

[Wilber]

Mulroney sued the federal govt. to get them off his case. Without an airtight case the crown could not justify going ahead with their case, when there was a multi million law suit hinging on the ability to prove Mulroney was involved.

Sounds a lot like the tactic Chretien is using right now. Wonder if it will work.

Name some CPC MP's that were part of Mulroney's government if you can. Almost every one of the present Liberal MP's were in Chretien's and Martin was his number 1 man.

[shoop]

And Gomery did provide an airtight case for $1.14 million stolen by the Liberals.

Sad, sad, sad losing Liberal campaign.

Sounds a lot like the tactic Chretien is using right now. Wonder if it will work.

Name some CPC MP's that were part of Mulroney's government if you can. Almost every one of the present Liberal MP's were in Chretien's and Martin was his number 1 man.

[tml12]

And Gomery did provide an airtight case for $1.14 million stolen by the Liberals.

Sad, sad, sad losing Liberal campaign.

Sounds a lot like the tactic Chretien is using right now. Wonder if it will work.

Name some CPC MP's that were part of Mulroney's government if you can. Almost every one of the present Liberal MP's were in Chretien's and Martin was his number 1 man.

Really that the Liberals have to pull out the lyn' Brian routine after 12 years just proves how sad their record really is...

[Guest eureka]

It was Chretien who brought the Election Expenses Act immediately after taking office. Its purpose was to lessen the possibilities of the types of abuse rampant under the Mulroney government.

And, the fact is that Gomery also called attention to the benefits the Conservatives had received and to the benefits the PQ received from the Sponsorship programme: the Conservatives from the same advertising kickbacks prior to the programme. The Act by Chretien was to prevent that kind of Conservative corruption.

The only fault in the programme from that aspect was that it was not overseen: not that there was Liberal corruption. Vampires usually end up with stakes rhtough their hearts and that may yet be the fate of the Conservatives and the PQ.

[Wilber]

And, the fact is that Gomery also called attention to the benefits the Conservatives had received and to the benefits the PQ received from the Sponsorship programme: the Conservatives from the same advertising kickbacks prior to the programme. The Act by Chretien was to prevent that kind of Conservative corruption.

The only fault in the programme from that aspect was that it was not overseen: not that there was Liberal corruption. Vampires usually end up with stakes rhtough their hearts and that may yet be the fate of the Conservatives and the PQ.

Too bad it couldn't prevent Liberal corruption.

I'm confused. Are trying to say that corruption is OK as long as it is oveseen? That's going to be a tough sell.

[Argus]

The conservatives are hypocrits running on accountability.

Funny how you guys on the far left are eager to bleat about how the old Progressive Conservaive Party is dead, and the new Conservative Party is so dissimilar to them, and yet you continue to try and blame the new Conservative Party for the behaviour of the red tories who were in charge of the old Progressive Conservative Party while in office - 13 years ago!

Further, that party was in power during a massive, deep, world-wide recession, with sky-high inflation and double digit unemployment. Despite this they managed to hold government program spending in check, and actually begin to reduce it. By comparison, the Liberal government has, over the past three years of a booming economy, record low interest and record low unemployment, increased program spending by more than even Pierre Trudeau's government did.

[betsy]

The Conservatives are far from clean.

Click on the "Ethically Green" video clip.

Ethically Green

The Conservative from the past is not the same as the Conservatives now.

[The Honest Politician]

The Conservatives are far from clean.

Click on the "Ethically Green" video clip.

Ethically Green

The Conservative from the past is not the same as the Conservatives now.

Why doesn't that argument fly when the Liberals point out it was a Chretien and not a Martin led party that had the problems.

[Argus]

The Conservatives are far from clean.

Click on the "Ethically Green" video clip.

Ethically Green

The Conservative from the past is not the same as the Conservatives now.

Why doesn't that argument fly when the Liberals point out it was a Chretien and not a Martin led party that had the problems.

Because in the case of the Liberals it was the same party with the same people just a couple of years back, while the Conservatives are an entirely different political party with entirely new people 13 years after Mulroney left office.

[The Honest Politician]

If it is the same party why are Chretien Faithful sabotaging it?

[Argus]

If it is the same party why are Chretien Faithful sabotaging it?

For the same reason Iraqi Sunnis are murdering Iraqi Kurds and Shiites. They much preferred it when THEY were in charge of everything. And they want that control back.