CdnFox Posted November 23, 2023 Report Posted November 23, 2023 1 minute ago, BeaverFever said: Meanwhile Putin’s state-owned TV is praising the election victory of far-right Gert Wilder in The Netherlands. The fact that Putin, Tucker Carlson and every far right group in the west have mutual love for each other kinda blows holes in any absurd claim that Putin is somehow a leftist or socialist. That'd be a cool story if it were true Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
BeaverFever Posted November 23, 2023 Report Posted November 23, 2023 23 hours ago, blackbird said: There is nothing wrong with free enterprise or Capitalism as long as no laws or criminal behavior is involved. But you believe business shouldn’t be regulated therefore their behaviour wouldn’t be criminal, see? 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted November 23, 2023 Report Posted November 23, 2023 1 minute ago, BeaverFever said: But you believe business shouldn’t be regulated therefore their behaviour wouldn’t be criminal, see? COuld you point to the part where he said there should be no regulation at all on business? I missed that Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
BeaverFever Posted November 23, 2023 Report Posted November 23, 2023 1 minute ago, CdnFox said: That'd be a cool story if it were true Oh but its, school is back in session: Putin’s propagandists cheer Geert Wilders’ Dutch election win Moscow’s ultranationalists hail far-right firebrand as a ‘supporter of Russia.’ Far-right Dutch lawmaker Geert Wilders is typically defined by his dislike of Islam and the European Union. But out of the main contenders in the Dutch parliamentary election, he was also the most Russia-friendly, a fact swiftly underscored by Russian media in the wake of his shock win. The ultranationalist outlet Tsargrad on Thursday morning contrasted Wilders, whom it bluntly described as a “supporter of Russia,” with outgoing Prime Minister Mark Rutte, a “fanatical supporter of Ukraine.” … https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-putin-propagandists-cheer-geert-wilders-dutch-election-win/ Quote
blackbird Posted November 23, 2023 Report Posted November 23, 2023 1 minute ago, BeaverFever said: But you believe business shouldn’t be regulated therefore their behaviour wouldn’t be criminal, see? I never said businesses should not be regulated. They do get licences to operate. So what? Are you alleging business are criminal without any evidence or proof of anything? What is your problem? Quote
BeaverFever Posted November 23, 2023 Report Posted November 23, 2023 1 minute ago, CdnFox said: COuld you point to the part where he said there should be no regulation at all on business? I missed that He says current level of business regulation is communist. Reducing regulation we would by definition make certain currently illegal business activities legal. Quote
CdnFox Posted November 23, 2023 Report Posted November 23, 2023 Just now, BeaverFever said: Oh but its, school is back in session: Putin’s propagandists cheer Geert Wilders’ Dutch election win Moscow’s ultranationalists hail far-right firebrand as a ‘supporter of Russia.’ Far-right Dutch lawmaker Geert Wilders is typically defined by his dislike of Islam and the European Union. But out of the main contenders in the Dutch parliamentary election, he was also the most Russia-friendly, a fact swiftly underscored by Russian media in the wake of his shock win. The ultranationalist outlet Tsargrad on Thursday morning contrasted Wilders, whom it bluntly described as a “supporter of Russia,” with outgoing Prime Minister Mark Rutte, a “fanatical supporter of Ukraine.” … https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-putin-propagandists-cheer-geert-wilders-dutch-election-win/ Ummm - seeing an unconfirmed report that putin's people are happy .... not seeing anything about how "Every far right group in the west" supports putin? Or even how this person does, they were the "Most" russian frieldly - which probably means they don't want to spend money sending ukraine arms. Not that they think russia is great. Yeah - you taught me yet again that you don't know how to read well and that you say things that you have no evidence for well done Just now, BeaverFever said: He says current level of business regulation is communist. Reducing regulation we would by definition make certain currently illegal business activities legal. So... he didn't say he doesn't believe in any regulation as you claimed. So you're just lying again to try to make a point. Yawn. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
BeaverFever Posted November 23, 2023 Report Posted November 23, 2023 Just now, blackbird said: I never said businesses should not be regulated. They do get licences to operate. So what? Are you alleging business are criminal without any evidence or proof of anything? What is your problem? But there are any numbers of laws regulating what businesses can say and do, how much they can pollute, and so forth. You would have some of those laws repealed would you not? Quote
blackbird Posted November 23, 2023 Report Posted November 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: But there are any numbers of laws regulating what businesses can say and do, how much they can pollute, and so forth. You would have some of those laws repealed would you not? It all depends on the business and the laws involved. Without knowing exactly the situation, it is hypothetical. There should be no unnecessary regulations, taxes, and red tape on business. Canada has interventionist governments at all levels. It is very hard and expensive to get houses built in some cities in Canada for example because of all the fees and regulations, not to mention the approval processes and environmental reviews. It takes sometime more than ten years for a mining application to be approved. That is ridiculous. Quote
BeaverFever Posted November 24, 2023 Report Posted November 24, 2023 (edited) 48 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Ummm - seeing an unconfirmed report that putin's people are happy .... not seeing anything about how "Every far right group in the west" supports putin? Or even how this person does, they were the "Most" russian frieldly - which probably means they don't want to spend money sending ukraine arms. Not that they think russia is great. Yeah - you taught me yet again that you don't know how to read well and that you say things that you have no evidence for well done Seriously you must live under a rock or something because you are SO wrong again. Everyone with a “far right” label that I’ve heard of is pro-Russia . Marine LenPen, Nigel Farage, Bolsonaro, Orban, Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes to name just a few off the top of my head….in every western country there are pro-Putin groups, all of them on the far right Hell you even have Pro-Russian conservatives right here on this forum! As for evidence: Wilders praises Putin and announces a visit to Russia The leader of the Freedom Party (PVV) and the winner of yesterday's elections in the Netherlands, Geert Wilders, wants to fight against "hysterical Russophobia" and in this regard has said that Russia is not an enemy. He sees Russian President Vladimir Putin as an ally in the fight against terrorism and mass immigration from Africa. He plans to visit Russia next year to make it clear that "not everyone in the Netherlands is anti-Russian." According to him, the Netherlands can learn a lot from the Russians in terms of patriotism. Wilders condemned politicians who, according to him, are playing political games by planting false images of the enemy. Last week, Dutch Interior Minister Kajsa Ollongren warned of Russia's efforts to influence public opinion in the Netherlands through fake news and internet 'memes'. Wilders, whom "Politico" called "Europe's worst nightmare", says he wants to balance the "hysterical Russophobia that reigns here and there in the Netherlands"…,, https://www.koha.net/en/boat/400128/Wilders-praises-Putin-and-warns-of-a-visit-to-Russia/ Why Vladimir Putin Is Embracing Germany’s Far Right https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/vladimir-putin-russia-ukraine-germany-far-right/675838/ ‘Key to white survival’: how Putin has morphed into a far-right savior The Russian president’s ‘strong man’ image and disdain for liberals has turned him into a hero for white nationalists https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/05/putin-ukraine-invasion-white-nationalists-far-right Russia’s Far-Right Campaign in Europe Raffaello Pantucci Sunday, April 9, 2023, 10:01 AM Share On:Share on FacebookShare on TwitterShare on LinkedIn Putin has cultivated ties with a network of far-right actors at the fringes of European politics. https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/russias-far-right-campaign-europe Trump, Farage, Le Pen: Why the Western right wing loves Vladimir Putin Russian President Vladimir Putin is widely admired by right-wing leaders in Western democracies – including Donald Trump, Nigel Farage and Marine Le Pen – a stark reversal from when conservatives on the right were the staunchest of Cold Warriors. https://www.france24.com/en/20161115-why-west-right-wing-admires-putin-le-pen-farage-trump Putin Is Attempting to Center Russia as a Hub of the Global Right Wing Putin is part of a global authoritarian movement, seeking repudiation of the right to national self-determination. https://truthout.org/articles/putin-is-attempting-to-center-russia-as-a-hub-of-the-global-right-wing/ With Friends Like These: The Kremlin’s Far-Right and Populist Connections in Italy and Austria https://carnegieendowment.org/2020/02/27/with-friends-like-these-kremlin-s-far-right-and-populist-connections-in-italy-and-austria-pub-81100 Edited November 24, 2023 by BeaverFever Quote
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