Israel-Hamas war has X and its users swimming in sea of disinformation

[WestCanMan]

The NYT is a farce of a paper and always was. https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/10903

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The reason is that the American media in general and the New York Times in particular never treated the Holocaust as an important news story. From the start of the war in Europe to its end nearly six years later, the story of the Holocaust made the Times front page only 26 times out of 24,000 front-page stories, and most of those stories referred to the victims as “refugees” or “persecuted minorities.” In only six of those stories were Jews identified on page one as the primary victims.

Six front-page stories. One story for every million Jews killed. 

Is it safe to say that the NYT kinds missed one of the biggest news stories of all time?

Maybe they had their gold star removed because they don't deserve a gold star...

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

Elon Musk’s X removes the New York Times’ verification badge

"Free" speech as long as it doesn't contradict Musk. ?

LOL - you have zero room to complain sparky   You are all about fake news and controlling the media message

[robosmith]

The Undisputed Facts in Gaza Are Enough

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Virtually every war entails some number of civilian casualties. But in its previous campaigns against Gaza, Israel has shown a distinctive indifference toward civilian life. The IDF will attribute this reality to Hamas’s habit of embedding its military installations into civilian infrastructure. But it does not follow that Israel has no responsibility to give weight to Palestinian life.

More fundamentally, Israel wields de facto control over Gazans’ conditions of daily life. In a meaningful sense, Israel is the state that rules them. And Gazans are denied a voice in that state on the basis of their national and ethnic identities. It is true that, in surveys, Gazans express little interest in living in a single, binational democratic state from the river to the sea. But it is unclear whether this would be the case in a world where such a state were not such a far-fetched hypothetical. In any event, the fact that Gazans live under the subjugation of the Israeli state, rather than under the auspices of their own independent state, makes Israel’s collective punishment of Gaza all the more obscene.

Meanwhile, it is far from clear that the present campaign will be effective in ensuring Israelis’ long-term security interests. Already, the campaign has generated such enmity in the Arab world as to jeopardize Israel’s normalized relations with its neighbors. At the same time, the unprecedented scale of death within Gaza is all but certain to radicalize countless young people, minting the next generation of violent extremists.

Israel cannot tolerate Hamas attacks. But it is not clear that it couldn’t more effectively protect Israelis by simultaneously increasing its defensive capacities on the Gaza border, targeting some high-ranking Hamas militants, and addressing the Palestinians’ political grievances. For example, by abandoning its illegal settlement project in the West Bank, Israel could free up more troops for guarding its border with Hamas. At the same time, an Israeli government that made genuine concessions to Palestinian rights might eat into Hamas’s appeal in Gaza. Among the other merits of this approach, it seems likelier to bring about the safe return of the Israeli hostages still living in Gaza.

For all these reasons, the case for an immediate ceasefire — and durable end to a mode of warfare that takes mass Palestinian death as its acceptable price — is strong. And the question of whether Israel was responsible for the calamity at al-Ahli Hospital has essentially no bearing on that case. There is simply no reason for advocates of the Palestinian cause to dig in on a factual debate about a single incident, rather than focusing on making their moral case against the present war.

Thus, it is not just irresponsible but also bad political practice, to wager one’s credibility on disputed, inessential details. The case against Israel’s campaign does not rest on its culpability for any single explosion, and the Palestinians’ allies do them no favors by acting as though it does. 

 

[robosmith]

The Palestinian Blood on America’s Hands

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As Israel threatens a ground invasion of Gaza, U.S. officials have reportedly begun to urge restraint, at least in private. It comes too late for the more than 3,000 Palestinians in Gaza who have already been killed by Israeli air strikes and the roughly 1 million who have been displaced. On Monday, a human-rights organization estimated that Israeli forces have killed more than a thousand children in Gaza since October 7. Israeli air strikes in Gaza and southern Lebanon have killed aid workers, medical personnel, and journalists like Reuters videographer Issam Abdallah. On Tuesday night, an explosion rocked a hospital in Gaza City, which is said to have killed hundreds of people seeking care and refuge. Hamas blames the Israel Defense Forces, which recently ordered Gazan hospitals to evacuate and have attacked hospitals there in the past. The IDF and the United States say it was caused by an errant militant rocket.

Without some kind of cease-fire between Israel and Hamas, many more Palestinians will die, and the vast majority of them will lose their lives and limbs to bombs and bullets supplied by the U.S. Whatever U.S. officials tell their Israeli counterparts about restraint in private, the public message has hardly changed. In a 60 Minutes interview on Sunday, President Biden said the U.S. would, as usual, provide Israel with “everything they need.”

“Israel is going after a group of people who have engaged in barbarism that is as consequential as the Holocaust,” he added, and Israel must respond. “The Israelis are gonna do everything in their power to avoid the killing of innocent civilians,” he asserted. If that’s true, Israel’s mighty military is either powerless or its leaders don’t believe civilians in Gaza are innocent. The thousands killed by Israeli air strikes did not bear collective responsibility for Hamas or its slaughter. The dead are not served by lies. Israelis and Palestinians alike deserve more than platitudes, more than U.S. policy as usual. But Biden’s statements are in keeping with overwhelming American support for an apartheid state. Today, the U.S. supports Benjamin Netanyahu’s incompetent far-right government, which seems to have no strategy but to answer indiscriminate brutality with even more indiscriminate brutality. 

 

 

Like Israel, Biden is doing what expedient politics demands while only paying lip service to justice.

The long term deaths of Palestinian civilians CONFINED to an uninhabitable wasteland have just begun.

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

The Undisputed Facts in Gaza Are Enough

 

The isrealis have been very careful.

There are no innocent palestinians in gaza = they support hamas, they knowingly allow rocket launchers to be built and stored in their neighbourhoods - they support this war (the demonstrations around the world are proof of that) and they are paying the price.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

The Palestinian Blood on America’s Hands

 

 

Like Israel, Biden is doing what expedient politics demands while only paying lip service to justice.

The long term deaths of Palestinian civilians CONFINED to an uninhabitable wasteland have just begun.

 

The palestinian blood is on palestine's hands.

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The isrealis have been very careful.

There are no innocent palestinians in gaza = they support hamas, they knowingly allow rocket launchers to be built and stored in their neighbourhoods - they support this war (the demonstrations around the world are proof of that) and they are paying the price.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

The palestinian blood is on palestine's hands.

Allow? LMAO

You're a fool if you believe individual Palestinians have ANY CONTROL over Hamas gangs.

[CdnFox]

50 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Allow? LMAO

You're a fool if you believe individual Palestinians have ANY CONTROL over Hamas gangs.

Well of course they do. There's million's of 'em

Super easy to pass along informatio to the israelis if you want or band together and stand up to them.  Invite the un in on the deal if you have to.

There's always a way. Worse comes to worse - leave. 

But they fully support hamas.  So.. there you go.

[Nationalist]

9 hours ago, robosmith said:

Allow? LMAO

You're a fool if you believe individual Palestinians have ANY CONTROL over Hamas gangs.

Hamas gangs???

You're such a monumental fool.

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Hamas gangs???

You're such a monumental fool.

I'll take ^this as a compliment since what I wrote is clearly way over your simple mind.

[CdnFox]

30 minutes ago, robosmith said:

I'll take ^this as a compliment since what I wrote is clearly way over your simple mind.

You'll take it as a compliment because you're a bit of an !diot,  

[Nationalist]

12 hours ago, robosmith said:

I'll take ^this as a compliment since what I wrote is clearly way over your simple mind.

A monumental fool...who thinks he's fooling someone...anyone. 

You're not fooling anyone but yourself.

[theMadArtist]

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, theMadArtist said:

Seriously dude - only the weak minded do nothing but meme.

[theMadArtist]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Seriously dude - only the weak minded do nothing but meme.

Need me to repeat what the 'meme' SAYS?

I put them together myself.

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, theMadArtist said:

Need me to repeat what the 'meme' SAYS?

I put them together myself.

The VERY weak minded.     Memes are great once in a while but they're just cheap graffiti on a discussion forum. If you can't articulate your positon, how can people articulate a response?

 

(See? LIke this - we're talking ) 

Edited November 2, 2023 by CdnFox

[theMadArtist]

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The VERY weak minded.     Memes are great once in a while but they're just cheap graffiti on a discussion forum. If you can't articulate your positon, how can people articulate a response?

 

(See? LIke this - we're talking ) 

I'll spell it out for you, then.

[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, theMadArtist said:

I'll spell it out for you, then.

There you go    Writers are artists too after all