Why we must prevent Harper from becoming PM

[Guest eureka]

Indeed. It, and the followup, certainly have the look of form-letters, don't they? We were told by the Globe'n'Mail and Warren Kinsella that the Young Liberals would be blitzing op-ed pages and internet message boards to get their message out. And I can't help wondering if this is the first shot of an invasion. smile.gif

Every Party does this at every election.

[daniel]

.... Providing quality child care with some boundaries and regulations is not intruding on parents rights, it is supporting them in finding good places for their children to learn and grow while they are at work. No one is saying all children need to go to daycare; the national child care program is just hoping to ensure that those who do need the service have it available to them.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It's one thing to disagree that one form of childcare is not appropriate for one's own children. It's another to show utter hatred and contempt at another form of childcare that other's believe best for their children.

I can't understand the rationale for this irrational hatred. It's like daycare were a plot by Osama Bin Laden.

[Argus]

If we had only two choices between Conservative and NDP, NDP comes out like a shining star right now in comparison. At least Layton realized the stupidity and selfish political opportunism of what Harper was trying to do back in May and obviously decided not to go along with it.

You mean he was bribed. He demanded a whole bunch of billion dollar programs, and the Liberals pretended to give them to him. So not only did he support a government he deemed corrupt and incompetent he did it for a bribe, and now the bribe is gone, too. Unless the Libs get in again with a minority everything they promised him is out the window.

[Argus]

I have seen this posted elsewhere on the net. I wonder how many sites and groups this person is going to post this tripe.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Indeed. It, and the followup, certainly have the look of form-letters, don't they?

Yeah, they're not really debating anything either, here or the other place they've posted these.

[scribblet]

And now he is intruding into Parents' rights.  Getting all these young children to be raised in a government-monitored and government-funded facility.

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Betsy, parents raise their children. Providing quality child care with some boundaries and regulations is not intruding on parents rights, it is supporting them in finding good places for their children to learn and grow while they are at work. No one is saying all children need to go to daycare; the national child care program is just hoping to ensure that those who do need the service have it available to them.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Not giving parents an opportunity to decide what type of daycare they think is best for their child is intruding on parent's rights. State run day care centres bring to mind USSR style daycare, where parents don't have a choice and are forced to send their kids there. What will these kids learn in a state controlled agenda and who will teach them?

A mix as proposed by the CPC of direct financial support to parents and institutionalized day care places in the workplace, is far better than a Big Brother approach.

Not to mention another gun registry type boondoggle.

[Guest eureka]

State run day care centres bring to mind USSR style daycare, where parents don't have a choice and are forced to send their kids there. What will these kids learn in a state controlled agenda and who will teach them?

And the public schools of the education system bring to mind the Germany that set out to mold its citizens, don't they.

It would be so much more in tune with the rights of parents to give them another hundred dollars so that everyone can choose either Upper Canada College or not to educate their children.

What pitiful foolishness this talk of "choice" is. What pathetic excuses for parents are those with children who can support this deliberate avoidance of parental responsibility that it really is.

[wellandboy]

State run day care centres bring to mind USSR style daycare, where parents don't have a choice and are forced to send their kids there. What will these kids learn in a state controlled agenda and who will teach them?

And the public schools of the education system bring to mind the Germany that set out to mold its citizens, don't they.

It would be so much more in tune with the rights of parents to give them another hundred dollars so that everyone can choose either Upper Canada College or not to educate their children.

What pitiful foolishness this talk of "choice" is. What pathetic excuses for parents are those with children who can support this deliberate avoidance of parental responsibility that it really is.

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"Avoidance of parental resposibility"? That statement is as stupid as Scott Reid's "beer and popcorn" line. What condescending rubbish.

[Guest eureka]

It might seem stupid to you. Then you have not exhibited much capacity to see past the thickness of your wallet.

It will seem less stupid to those who are aware that "parental responsibility" extends beyond having the choice to not look after the future of children.

[scribblet]

State run day care centres bring to mind USSR style daycare, where parents don't have a choice and are forced to send their kids there. What will these kids learn in a state controlled agenda and who will teach them?

And the public schools of the education system bring to mind the Germany that set out to mold its citizens, don't they.

It would be so much more in tune with the rights of parents to give them another hundred dollars so that everyone can choose either Upper Canada College or not to educate their children.

What pitiful foolishness this talk of "choice" is. What pathetic excuses for parents are those with children who can support this deliberate avoidance of parental responsibility that it really is.

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Freedom of choice is 'pitiful foolishness', sheez, I suppose next freedom of speech and all that other stuff we take for granted is also 'pitiful foolishness'. Glad we know where you stand. I'll take my personal choice and freedoms anytime over condescension and state control.

[Guest eureka]

Your juxtaposition of "freedoms" with the implocation that either has anything to do with the issue shows your lack of acquaintance with the meanong of freedom.

Leave out freedom of speech which is irrelevant to the issue; but which is a freedom I would happiky enighten you on if you want. Address "freedom of choice."

It is not a freedom to deprive children of an education; a future. It gives parents no choice when they are deprived of the opportunity to provide for their children.

What choice is there for the hundreds of thousands of parents who will not have the opportunity to place their children in daycare and to have the opportunity to work and provide the economic benefits of that to their children.

How does your "choice" benefit the economy when many are denied the chance of gainful and productive employment?

"Choice," as used by the Conservatives, is only a slogan for the gulliblr: for those who are too intellectually lazy to think about social AND personal needs.

[wellandboy]

Your juxtaposition of "freedoms" with the implocation that either has anything to do with the issue shows your lack of acquaintance with the meanong of freedom.

Leave out freedom of speech which is irrelevant to the issue; but which is a freedom I would happiky enighten you on if you want. Address "freedom of choice."

It is not a freedom to deprive children of an education; a future. It gives parents no choice when they are deprived of the opportunity to provide for their children.

What choice is there for the hundreds of thousands of parents who will not have the opportunity to place their children in daycare and to have the opportunity to work and provide the economic benefits of that to their children.

How does your "choice" benefit the economy when many are denied the chance of gainful and productive employment?

"Choice," as used by the Conservatives, is only a slogan for the gulliblr: for those who are too intellectually lazy to think about social AND personal needs.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Choice is a tax credit. For those parents who don't want to participate, they can always opt out, but I daresay few if any would.

[shoop]

Good point. Besides the Conservatives will also provide incentives for the private sector to create 125,000 daycare spots for their employees.

Choice is a tax credit. For those parents who don't want to participate, they can always opt out, but I daresay few if any would. 

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[mowich]

Your juxtaposition of "freedoms" with the implocation that either has anything to do with the issue shows your lack of acquaintance with the meanong of freedom.

Leave out freedom of speech which is irrelevant to the issue; but which is a freedom I would happiky enighten you on if you want. Address "freedom of choice."

It is not a freedom to deprive children of an education; a future. It gives parents no choice when they are deprived of the opportunity to provide for their children.

What choice is there for the hundreds of thousands of parents who will not have the opportunity to place their children in daycare and to have the opportunity to work and provide the economic benefits of that to their children.

How does your "choice" benefit the economy when many are denied the chance of gainful and productive employment?

"Choice," as used by the Conservatives, is only a slogan for the gulliblr: for those who are too intellectually lazy to think about social AND personal needs.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I might pay a bit more attention to this rant should the writer care enough to check their spelling..too busy getting that baloney off their chest? Or maybe just too short an attention span.

[Slim MacSquinty]

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What choice is there for the hundreds of thousands of parents who will not have the opportunity to place their children in daycare and to have the opportunity to work and provide the economic benefits of that to their children.

How does your "choice" benefit the economy when many are denied the chance of gainful and productive employment?

Hey I forgot, wasn't free day care written into the charter of rights? I'm pretty sure it's just below the right to be irresponsible and just above the right to tell you what to do.

[shoop]

The CPC plan costs less money, and gives parents the choice to stay at home with their children.

The Liberals really are sending mixed messages. Today's theme is how the CPC will turn us towards deficits. Not if you use daycare plans as a guide they won't...

Hey I forgot, wasn't free day care written into the charter of rights? I'm pretty sure it's just below the right to be irresponsible and just above the right to tell you what to do.

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[Hicksey]

If we had only two choices between Conservative and NDP, NDP comes out like a shining star right now in comparison. At least Layton realized the stupidity and selfish political opportunism of what Harper was trying to do back in May and obviously decided not to go along with it. That was the right thing to do and he deserve credit for doing the right thing and not going along with it.

Now that's a mischaracterization if I ever saw one.

What really happened was that Layton figured out his party is but a step ahead of irrelevance. So he decided to rule by extortion. He knew the Liberals were power-drunk and took full advantage.

And here silly old me thought that one pushed their agneda in the house with private members bills ...

[Hicksey]

Yah I think I will vote for the average common guy, who stands in line for healthcare like the rest of us, and he also pays taxes in Canada. And he is not the leader of a known criminal organization known as the Liberal Party of Canada. Better a common man who is honest and geeky than a known thief and crook. Vote for Stephen Harper vote for honesty.

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He is about as common as finding a diamond in a dung heap and about as honest as GWB reasons for Iraq. You want to see what Canada would be like under that greasy used car salesman, then just take a look south my friend.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ottawa may be south of you, but its northeast of me. That used car salesman is as greasy as any you'll see. Dubya may not be the epitat of what a leader should be, but he's head and shoulders above Martin.

[Black Dog]

You mean he was bribed. He demanded a whole bunch of billion dollar programs, and the Liberals pretended to give them to him. So not only did he support a government he deemed corrupt and incompetent he did it for a bribe, and now the bribe is gone, too. Unless the Libs get in again with a minority everything they promised him is out the window.

Partisan hackery at its finest. A "bribe"? I had no idea that Jack Layton was the personal beneficiary of the extra spending the NDP leverage dout of the Liberals. It's called a compromise and it's something that happens in every minority government, anywhere. "Bribe". Jesus.

Not giving parents an opportunity to decide what type of daycare they think is best for their child is intruding on parent's rights. State run day care centres bring to mind USSR style daycare, where parents don't have a choice and are forced to send their kids there. What will these kids learn in a state controlled agenda and who will teach them?

Um. I'm pretty sure that, under the Liberal plan, no one would be forced to put their kids into daycare facilities. The rest just sounds like paranoid jibbering.

[shoop]

Unless you use government approved/sponsored/created daycare, you get no help from the government. No choice.

Um. I'm pretty sure that, under the Liberal plan, no one would be forced to put their kids into daycare facilities. The rest just sounds like paranoid jibbering.

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[scribblet]

Your juxtaposition of "freedoms" with the implocation that either has anything to do with the issue shows your lack of acquaintance with the meanong of freedom.

Leave out freedom of speech which is irrelevant to the issue; but which is a freedom I would happiky enighten you on if you want. Address "freedom of choice."

It is not a freedom to deprive children of an education; a future. It gives parents no choice when they are deprived of the opportunity to provide for their children.

What choice is there for the hundreds of thousands of parents who will not have the opportunity to place their children in daycare and to have the opportunity to work and provide the economic benefits of that to their children.

How does your "choice" benefit the economy when many are denied the chance of gainful and productive employment?

"Choice," as used by the Conservatives, is only a slogan for the gulliblr: for those who are too intellectually lazy to think about social AND personal needs.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Nice rant, and very patronizing, why am I not surprised that disagreeing with a socialist equates to 'not understanding' or being acquainted with issues.

Giving parents the option and choice of daycare is not depriving them of an education or a future; education from JK through highschool is free. Having kids is a choice too, and if they didn't have kids they couldn't afford, maybe both parents could have productive employment.

[betsy]

emailforcanada,Jan 2 2006, 01:27 PM]

If we had only two choices between Conservative and NDP, NDP comes out like a shining star right now in comparison.

Not for me! NDP is just toooo way up there in Socialism.

Now, if it was a comparison between the Liberals and the NDP....NDP comes out smelling like a rose because of Liberal corruptions.

Conservative is the only one out there who offers a real straight-forward, SENSIBLE, alternative CHANGE!

[Black Dog]

Unless you use government approved/sponsored/created daycare, you get no help from the government. No choice.

Sure there is. Don't like it, don't put your kids into daycare.

Seriously, though: the Tory plan doesn't do anything to improve the system. It's just a handout.

[Riverwind]

Seriously, though: the Tory plan doesn't do anything to improve the system. It's just a handout.

I don't think we need another centrally managed tax payer funded 'system'. We have enough problems paying for the 'systems' we already have.

[The Honest Politician]

Good point. Besides the Conservatives will also provide incentives for the private sector to create 125,000 daycare spots for their employees.

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So the conservatives hate the Idea of the Govt. spending money on public daycare that will be affordable to all.

But they want to give the same money to the private sector who will only provide daycare for those who can afford it or, as suggested by your post, only employees of the company.

[Hicksey]

Unless you use government approved/sponsored/created daycare, you get no help from the government. No choice.

Sure there is. Don't like it, don't put your kids into daycare.

Seriously, though: the Tory plan doesn't do anything to improve the system. It's just a handout.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It allows parents the choice of having a spouse home with their kids, paying a family member they trust to watch their kids and some flexibility in when they can work.

Like it or not, daycare doesn't help people working afternoons or midnights. The conservative plan helps everyone equally. Not just the 9-5ers like the Liberal and NDP plans do.