Ukrainian Flag -Yellow/Blue

[August1991]

Please, no more. I am tired of seeing this foolish virtue signal.

Anyone in our federal government who shows this symbol is a nationalist.

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We people in Canada are different. We get along.

 

[I am Groot]

6 hours ago, August1991 said:

Please, no more. I am tired of seeing this foolish virtue signal.

Anyone in our federal government who shows this symbol is a nationalist.

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We people in Canada are different. We get along.

Your province is run by Nationalists who are presently engaged in a long ethnic cleansing effort to remove all Anglos and English speakers so you can be 'pure' again.

Maybe you should ask your nurse to up your dosage.

[myata]

Oh, flying the banners of the allies during WWII was all wrong? Maybe we should have been less "nationalists" and stayed home, waiting for the Axis to raise as a world power (RuZZia; Iran; North Korea; and somewhere back in the vague haze, China)? Sure let's revisit it! Like we can always take a different turn as see what happens, right?

[August1991]

On 7/30/2023 at 9:43 AM, I am Groot said:

Your province is run by Nationalists who are presently engaged in a long ethnic cleansing effort to remove all Anglos and English speakers so you can be 'pure' again.

Maybe you should ask your nurse to up your dosage.

Dosage? Giggle.

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I understand well what nationalism is, and how destructive it can be. Like religion, it can be tribalism - but also co-operation.

BTW, we are seeing now its destructive side in the US. My side right; your side wrong.

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As to the ethnic cleansing argument, there are many Anglo/American leftist-types moving into the Plateau. Montreal is San Francisco - without all the problems.

Quebec, thank God, is nothing like what happened in Europe. For example, among many examples, in western Ukraine: Polish-speaking were forced to leave.

 

 

Edited July 31, 2023 by August1991

[August1991]

On 7/30/2023 at 9:51 AM, myata said:

Oh, flying the banners of the allies during WWII was all wrong? Maybe we should have been less "nationalists" and stayed home, waiting for the Axis to raise as a world power (RuZZia; Iran; North Korea; and somewhere back in the vague haze, China)? Sure let's revisit it! Like we can always take a different turn as see what happens, right?

This war in Ukraine is nothing like World War II -defeating Nazis or Tojo. It is not like the Cold War either.

To me, this is like a stupid Balkan War that could engulf us all in much worse.

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In various treaties/understandings immediately after 1945, we created a structure of peace. It worked until the late 1980s. Now it is being severely tested.

If I looked for a European parallel - as an optimist, it would be 1848 or 1870.

As a pessimist, it would be the Balkan Wars.

Edited July 31, 2023 by August1991

[myata]

7 minutes ago, August1991 said:

To me, this is like a stupid Balkan War that could engulf us all in much worse.

Gotcha. And that's why Iran and North Korea (and guess who in the vague background) not to mention pet Bilarusia (not sure on the spelling) are sending Ruzzia tons upon tons of their arms because it looks nothing like the Axis.

Desperately blind. Or l-r?

11 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Now it is being severely tested.

Sure, tested. By who, does it have a name? Can you spell H-.....?

[August1991]

12 minutes ago, myata said:

Sure, tested. By who, does it have a name? Can you spell H-.....?

China? The military-industrial complex? The Oligarchs? Big Pharma?

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I am no defender of Putin. He is a tough thug in a country of tough thugs.

This awful war that started in early 2022 could have been avoided.

I blame the US federal bureaucrats/politicians - even our Canadian bureaucrats/politicians could have done something. They all could have done something to avoid the terrible death and destruction.

[WestCanMan]

53 minutes ago, August1991 said:

China? The military-industrial complex? The Oligarchs? Big Pharma?

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I am no defender of Putin. He is a tough thug in a country of tough thugs.

This awful war that started in early 2022 could have been avoided.

I blame the US federal bureaucrats/politicians - even our Canadian bureaucrats/politicians could have done something. They all could have done something to avoid the terrible death and destruction.

Big Pharma ?

I gotta admit, that one got me. ?

[WestCanMan]

On 7/29/2023 at 11:55 PM, August1991 said:

Please, no more. I am tired of seeing this foolish virtue signal.

I still have this song on my Spotify account:

I used to crank it for people standing at the corner of Hwy 10 and 200th St in Langley waving the Ukrainian flag . 

Sadly I never see them anymore.

Edited August 1, 2023 by WestCanMan

[August1991]

13 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Big Pharma ?

I gotta admit, that one got me. ?

It is no joke.  You Americans are clueless.

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Obama and Trump avoided all this, in their own way.

Bush Jnr and Biden are stupid, differently.  

Edited August 1, 2023 by August1991

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, August1991 said:

It is no joke.  You Americans are clueless.

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Obama and Trump avoided all this, in their own way.

Bush Jnr and Biden are stupid, differently.  

I'm as big of a Big Pharma basher as there is, and even I don't blame them for starting war. That's quite the accusation. 

[August1991]

Obama: don't screw this up

Trump: best for me

Bush Jnr: my dad was wrong, I win

Biden: I win 

Edited August 1, 2023 by August1991

[August1991]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

I'm as big of a Big Pharma basher as there is, and even I don't blame them for starting war. That's quite the accusation. 

I have been to various places in Ukraine. In Lebanon. Sri Lanka. 

This war - death and destruction - could have been avoided.

[August1991]

4 hours ago, Contrarian said:

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For me, I understand this war is important for the interest of America, and a lot of folks in Eastern Europe support the Americans, don't think is a fairy tale there between Romania and Ukraine, or between Poland and Ukraine, is more complicated behind the scenes.

However, Poland and Romania, both close their eyes and compromise with Ukraine because the ?? United States modernized both societies and gave folks freedom, Germany and France never did that and the Soviet Union damaged those lands. The Americans did the work.

...

 

Good point.

[myata]

14 hours ago, August1991 said:

This awful war that started in early 2022 could have been avoided.

I blame the US federal bureaucrats/politicians - even our Canadian bureaucrats/politicians could have done something. They all could have done something to avoid the terrible death and destruction.

Absolutely they could. Slapping the thug hard and fast after his Crimea test could have done the trick. Admitting Ukraine to NATO or even handing it membership action plan in 2008-2010 would very likely have done it. Tyrants and thugs generally take any signs of caution and hesitation as a weakness. Putin set ultimatums to NATO not Ukraine, a fact and that's why your "slavs" thing is a factual bs. And for them it means nothing less than an invitation to go the next step. The history repeats itself with near absolute predictability. Will we learn this time around?

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, August1991 said:

I have been to various places in Ukraine. In Lebanon. Sri Lanka. 

This war - death and destruction - could have been avoided.

For sure, but what would be the point of that? Congressmen need money, pal. 

If anything, big pharma prevents war because it makes it possible for congressmen to make gobs of money without a war. Right? 

Follow me for more great tips on how to profit from the misery of others. 

[August1991]

On 8/1/2023 at 10:03 AM, myata said:

Absolutely they could. Slapping the thug hard and fast after his Crimea test could have done the trick. Admitting Ukraine to NATO or even handing it membership action plan in 2008-2010 would very likely have done it. Tyrants and thugs generally take any signs of caution and hesitation as a weakness. Putin set ultimatums to NATO not Ukraine, a fact and that's why your "slavs" thing is a factual bs. And for them it means nothing less than an invitation to go the next step. The history repeats itself with near absolute predictability. Will we learn this time around?

In the early 1990s, I thought as you - like Kennan: Surround, control the beast.

I was wrong.

Kissinger and Trudeau Snr were right. Create counterweights.

[August1991]

On 8/1/2023 at 12:13 AM, August1991 said:

Obama: don't screw this up

Trump: best for me

Bush Jnr: my dad was wrong, I win

Biden: I win 

Context:

1. Oprah Winfrey paid for Obama's candidacy and she said, "Don't screw this up."

I was reminded of Laurier in 1896.

2. Trump in 2016.

3. I reckon Bush Jnr invaded Iraq in 2023 because of his dad.

4. Americans are very competitive - and stupid.

 

[August1991]

In a federal Canada,

Our political leaders avoid symbols - except those that represent all people in Canada.