Poilievre perceived to be more competent than Trudeau, national poll shows (stats climbing)

[SpankyMcFarland]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Sadly for him, he really does have to be extremely disciplined. 

Trudeau can be involved in scandal after scandal and the MSM will block them out come election time, debates will avoid the topic entirely. But if PP says anything that can be misconstrued as something bad the MSM will headline it for weeks/months. 

Some topics are battier than others. I mentioned three examples that people have fairly strong opinions on. If he indulges the Bernier wing of his party, he will alienate ordinary Canadians. 

[CdnFox]

34 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Some topics are battier than others. I mentioned three examples that people have fairly strong opinions on. If he indulges the Bernier wing of his party, he will alienate ordinary Canadians. 

Whether he does or doesn't the cbc will claim he does.

[Army Guy]

On 5/18/2023 at 8:35 AM, ExFlyer said:

Lets throw the failed "agreed upon standards" blanket over Canada as a whole. All PM's have failed to meet them since the very first agreement.

The Convoy had a issue in the beginning and it may have been valid but, whatever it became was so blurred, many, if not most Canadians did not agree as the polls indicated..

Lets be realistic here, PP has not done anything yet, he has only had a couple years(?) at the helm.. He is only an opposition member and can only complain.

As I said in another post, my poll vs your poll (or any poll). If someone is going to use a poll for or as their argument, then be prepared to see other polls that may disagree. Polls are just personal opinions on a question at a specific time, right or wrong or indifferent.

Never asked PP to release anything but, if a person want people to follow, they have to present some sort of path forward. Are you for PP simply because he is not Trudeau even if his ideas could be worse? Just being anti someone does not make the other better. Or is it just a partisan thing?

100 % right All elected governments have failed to mange carbon levels to any standards...But all failures are not graded the same, this government has campaigned on climate it's main focus is climate, Justin has repeatedly signed on to global climate measures and has preached to the world Canada is in this fight, and yet we have not met any of those lofty goals set out by the UN...  and pointed that his party is the preferred climate control party... In fact he went as far as claiming it was a climate emergency, what ever that means...And despite his 9 plus years in power he has failed to provide any meaningful results except hand cuff our fossil fuel industry, our natural resource industry, bring in the Carbon tax which does very little in controlling carbon outputs, and what is accomplished is down on the backs of tax payers who are punished for using fossil fuels when there is very little alternative out there that can be used on mass. 

Yes it was blurred, but that came from all sides did it not , government, media, and convoy organizers...Once again most Canadians will spew what ever they have been told by the media, Gun control is a perfect example of that...Nobody is doing any real research on anything.

PP and his crew entire job is to limit Justin crew from doing stupid stuff and there is a lot of stupid going on, once again gun control, border control are but a few examples of what the opposition is suppose to be doing... 

Agreed polls can be made to say what ever you like them to. and really mean nothing except a snap shot of AT the time. 

PP has released many things about his direction he wants to travel when elected, and has released them on several platforms, all you really got to do is look.

That is exactly what liberal voters are doing they are not going to vote PP, and have made up their minds with a few mistakes he has taken in the past, which really do not compare to all the gaffs Justin have done, but in their minds it is enough of an excuse to sway them, they really did not need much in the way of proof...and thats good it is their vote spend it any way you want... But some how when you step back and look at it, how do they justify 9 plus years of major gaffs , lies, and dishonesty and lack of any real change for the country.. and then say PP is worse, when they have very little to base that opinion of pp on...

PP ideas worse ? Than anything the Liberals have done in 9 years, i'd like to hear some of those gaffs...as for better my sons pet hamster is better, even liberals will tell you that Justins reign has been a train wreck, but they are afraid that PP might somehow be worse...when really it is just the unknown...and they are willing to ride the train wreck into the ditch again...like ground hog day...Is that partisan, perhaps it may look that way to you, but for me anyone would be a better PM than Justin is, I would like someone to step up to the plate and make some real decisions on some tough issues, that may or may not be popular. Like health care, education, infra structure, our entire security apparatus to be properly funded and manned, justice system... the list goes on and on...and if thats partisan I'm all in...

 

[Army Guy]

On 5/19/2023 at 10:38 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

The behaviour of many members of the Convoy in Ottawa was disgraceful and Poilievre was foolish to be ambivalent about it. I suspect those alt-right sympathies he has will be a major element in the Liberals’ next campaign. These days in North America, conservatives appeal to a fringe that can be fairly wild. Assuming they win, I’d like to see a minor course correction from the Tories on budget deficits, China and the like but certainly nothing approaching what the Right in the US have planned for their country. 

One could say that all sides to this puzzle behavior was below par, not just the convoy participants...and yes PP needs those votes going to mad max so expect a little alt right to be mixed in their, having the support of 2 % of  vote could mean a majority...

What is a minor budget deficit correction, 25, 50, 75 billion ? i do agree that we can not go from running Justin budgets to being on budget is even possible with out craving a huge chunk out of social programs, not in the first 4 years any ways, not a good way to get reelected.

Cutting our dependency on China needs to be done slowly with all action directed towards cutting down our dependents on sole source providers, by either moving or spreading production, to other countries, or moving production of priority goods back to Canada or North America.

[SpankyMcFarland]

10 hours ago, Army Guy said:

What is a minor budget deficit correction, 25, 50, 75 billion ? i do agree that we can not go from running Justin budgets to being on budget is even possible with out craving a huge chunk out of social programs, not in the first 4 years any ways, not a good way to get reelected.

We need to start turning the ship of state around as Chrétien did. It is going to take a while. 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

We need to start turning the ship of state around as Chrétien did. It is going to take a while. 

Chretien didn't.  Mulroney did.  The GST and the free trade agreement were the primary tools, along with allowing growth to be faster than spending. It just took a long time for the ship to right itself as you say, and chretien was there to reap the benefits.

I'm pretty sure that's what the libs will be hoping will happen again. PP does all the bad stuff - the libs will run on cancelling the bad stuff just as chretien ran on getting rid of the gst and the free trade agreement, and then they'll keep it when they get in and when the economy is good try to claim credit.

 

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Chretien didn't.  Mulroney did.  The GST and the free trade agreement were the primary tools, along with allowing growth to be faster than spending. It just took a long time for the ship to right itself as you say, and chretien was there to reap the benefits.

I'm pretty sure that's what the libs will be hoping will happen again. PP does all the bad stuff - the libs will run on cancelling the bad stuff just as chretien ran on getting rid of the gst and the free trade agreement, and then they'll keep it when they get in and when the economy is good try to claim credit.

Both of them did their bit. The GST doesn’t get enough credit here nor does Mulroney generally. Chrétien made a clear break with Pierre Trudeau on spending. I think a PC govt would have had a hard time delivering such cuts. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Both of them did their bit. The GST doesn’t get enough credit here nor does Mulroney generally. Chrétien made a clear break with Pierre Trudeau on spending.

Well... it was about 10 years later but yes he didn't follow trudeau's disaster from a decade earlier, and i'm equally sure the next liberal will try to put distance between himself and justin.

The thing is - chretien really didn't do much.  Pretty much every cent in surplus he wound up with was paid for by raiding the EI fund for 70 billion. And he didn't really reign in spending, mulroney had already done that. Meanwhile he cut ei benefits (so he could plunder it) and downloaded costs to the provinces, so there was STILL overspending but now it looked like the provinces were doing it instead of him.

Mulroney was substance, chretien was just smoke and mirrors while still rewarding his friends.

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I think a PC govt would have had a hard time delivering such cuts. 

I don't think so at all. Remember they had already substantially cut transfers to the provinces and spending. I think they wouldn't have raided the ei fund and they'd have run bare bones surpluses or very small deficits instead of the larger ones Chretien pretended to run.

When chretien won, inflation was down, interest rates were falling INCLUDING on the national debt which would have gone from about 13 percent on average down to about 5 over the next 5 years, business was picking up...  all chretien had to do was not radically increase spending and he was golden . So - he transferred some of teh spending to the provinces, raided the EI, raised "liberal friendly' projects a modest amount and looked liek a hero. But none of it was actually his work.

[SpankyMcFarland]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I don't think so at all.

Would you at least concede that those cuts were easier with Preston Manning as the real (non-Quebec) opposition than if the Liberals had been in those benches? In that sense, Chrétien was fortunate to be pushing an open door. 

 

Edited May 22, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Would you at least concede that those cuts were easier with Preston Manning as the real (non-Quebec) opposition than if the Liberals had been in those benches? In that sense, Chrétien was fortunate to be pushing an open door. 

 

probably - but that's just given the nature of opposition.