Liberals face backlash over policy to trace journalists’ sources before publication online

[CdnFox]

32 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Sorry, you know me, I sometimes take aim for no reason and end up turning everyone against me. Today is a good day, no whisky, just want to confirm that basically you are saying, you are against any type of involvement of CSIS officially or unofficially as a non-political force to influence society if foreign actors run rampant and pollute the environment? 

No i wasn't offended or anything - i thought it was a fair reply, i just think that giving it some thought we should probably be equally adverse to internal and external threats

[Dougie93]

Just now, Contrarian said:

Well, we agree to disagree on this one. It is true that the primary role of CSIS is to gather and analyze intelligence related to national security, including countering threats posed by foreign actors and domestic extremists. However, it is not accurate to say that CSIS and the RCMP can only cooperate on matters related to terrorism or that their cooperation is limited to providing warnings about threats. The two organizations have a close working relationship, and CSIS can provide the RCMP with information and intelligence that may assist in criminal investigations, including those related to national security threats. Additionally, while CSIS-gathered intelligence may not be admissible in court, it can still be used to inform investigations and contribute to the overall picture of a threat. Therefore, it is essential to recognize the vital role that CSIS plays in protecting Canada's national security and supporting law enforcement efforts, even beyond terrorism-related matters.

since everything CSIS gathers is not admissible  in court

it is of no use to the RCMP

so a close working relationship does not actually result in convictions

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

since everything CSIS gathers is not admissible  in court

it is of no use to the RCMP

so a close working relationship does not actually result in convictions

Well could we create a new org,  the LCMP? Liberal Compliant Media Police?

(stop looking at me like that, i'm just trying to be helpful.... )

[Dougie93]

Just now, CdnFox said:

Well could we create a new org,  the LCMP? Liberal Compliant Media Police?

(stop looking at me like that, i'm just trying to be helpful.... )

well, if any CSIS intelligence is entered into court

that is parallel construction

the judge will throw the case out on the spot

CSIS lies down with dogs, they make deals with the criminal element to gather intelligence

but as soon as they do, that actually protects those criminals from prosecution 

[Dougie93]

think of it this way

if CSIS comes to your door

they are not there to arrest you

they are not law enforcement

if CSIS comes to your door

they are there to make a deal

give us intelligence in return for immunity from prosecution

OHMSS

Edited May 10, 2023 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

36 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well could we create a new org, 

there is already an org for intervening in Cyberspace

and that the is the Department of National Defence

Communications Security Establishment

[suds]

Liberal policy (as it stands now) is to 'explore options for forcing online information  services to publish material based on named sources' (only). In order to do this, existing laws that offer some protection for journalists and sources would have to be amended or circumvented in some way would they not? Or from what I suspect done away with completely. Specifically the 'Journalistic Sources Protection Act (2017). With the JSPA, the burden shifted from a balancing act and places the onus on the authorities to state their case why a sources identity should be revealed which would have to be done on an individual basis. The JSPA also defines the term 'journalist' as 'any person (or corporation) whose main occupation is to contribute directly information for dissemination by the media'.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, suds said:

Liberal policy (as it stands now) is to 'explore options for forcing online information  services to publish material based on named sources' (only). In order to do this, existing laws that offer some protection for journalists and sources would have to be amended or circumvented in some way would they not? Or from what I suspect done away with completely. Specifically the 'Journalistic Sources Protection Act (2017). With the JSPA, the burden shifted from a balancing act and places the onus on the authorities to state their case why a sources identity should be revealed which would have to be done on an individual basis. The JSPA also defines the term 'journalist' as 'any person (or corporation) whose main occupation is to contribute directly information for dissemination by the media'.

I would think there's a number of laws that would need altering or to be added.

But at the end of the day they'll waive the 'misinformation' flag and their supporters will decide freedom of the press should take a back seat to allowing those nasty anti vaxxers to have a voice and support it

[suds]

I'm no lawyer but I would agree there's a number of things that would require amending perhaps even our constitution.  If JT does happen to change his mind, he must know he's stepping into a political minefield.

[Dougie93]

FIRST READING: Abolish the free press, and other fringe policies just adopted by the Liberals

Abolishing the free press, closing 'major' Canadian streets to cars and Toronto-izing the prairies, to name a few

Author of the article:

Tristin Hopper

Published May 10, 2023  •  Last updated 9 hours ago  •  6 minute read

People attend the national Liberal convention in Ottawa on Thursday, May 4, 2023. Photo by THE CANADIAN PRESS/Sean Kilpatrick

One of the most notable items to emerge from last weekend’s Liberal Party convention was that party members voted to effectively abolish the existence of a free press.

A resolution – passed without debate – said the party should “explore options to hold online information services accountable for the veracity of material published on their platforms.”

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/wacky-policies-adopted-by-the-liberals-at-their-recent-convention