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Just now, robosmith said:

Just shows your dishonest DESPERATION. You KNOW that source is heavily BIASED but double down on it anyway.

There's no doubling down here. Which part of that source do you want to go through first? 

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4 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Trending via The New York Times

Ron DeSantis Calls Putin a ‘War Criminal,’ Clarifying Earlier Comment on Ukraine.

Is that you, Wolf Blizer?

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On 3/15/2023 at 4:25 AM, Perspektiv said:

Taiwan and Ukraine are territorial disputes. One is supported by the west, in that acceptable ways to call Taiwan, is to call it Taipei. The other is not.

If you read about history, you would see why both are contested plots of land.

As a result, the more control that is lost on these assets, the likelier the eventuality of war will occur.

This is a brutal invasion, but one must look at the motive behind it. This isn't a random invasion, based on Putin being bored. This was a land grab, many years in the making.

Except now DeSantis has backpedaled and said the it’s NOT “territorial dispute” after all and he’s been “mischaracterized” andPutin is a “war criminal”, that his invasion of Ukraine was “wrong” and that Putin “should be held accountable”. 
 

He’s doing the old MAGA trick of saying “everyone knows that when I said that thing, I really meant the exact opposite of what I actually said therefore anyone who claims I said what I said is a LIAR!!!”

So now you will have to backpedal and change your answer too, correct?  Go on. Do it. Flip flop for us just like your hero Ron did. 

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33 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

So you’re saying DeSantis is WRONG then.

I am saying I stick to my opinion, regarding the conflict in Ukraine.

If DeSantis has flip flopped, he has shown the same spineless ways to garner votes that got Americans angry enough to vote Trump in in the first place. 

Not sure what gave you the impression that I liked the guy, however. He is right about a lot of things but doesn't mean I would vote for him.

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I say DeSantis has caved in to the pro-war mania that is pouring out of every media outlet. People are being whipped into a murderous fury. The war machine is coming, and there is no room for an alternative view, so you'd better get on board. In other words the next president has to be all for this shit.

Kinda like you people, eh? Enjoy your war...

 

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4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Except now DeSantis has backpedaled and said the it’s NOT “territorial dispute” after all and he’s been “mischaracterized” andPutin is a “war criminal”, that his invasion of Ukraine was “wrong” and that Putin “should be held accountable”. 
 

He’s doing the old MAGA trick of saying “everyone knows that when I said that thing, I really meant the exact opposite of what I actually said therefore anyone who claims I said what I said is a LIAR!!!”

So now you will have to backpedal and change your answer too, correct?  Go on. Do it. Flip flop for us just like your hero Ron did. 

The only question is whether it's a territorial dispute or not, and at first it was one. What that probably means is, a local problem let them deal with it. Not our business. For the rest - no one is saying Putin is not a war criminal, no one is saying it was not wrong to invade, no one is saying he should not be held accountable.

That doesn't negate the fact that you people are also to be held accountable. I mean the United States, NATO and EU, and the UK. All who contributed to create the conditions that forced the war to be inevitable.

That means your guy's an ass...

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14 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

The only question is whether it's a territorial dispute or not, and at first it was one. What that probably means is, a local problem let them deal with it. Not our business. For the rest - no one is saying Putin is not a war criminal, no one is saying it was not wrong to invade, no one is saying he should not be held accountable.

That doesn't negate the fact that you people are also to be held accountable. I mean the United States, NATO and EU, and the UK. All who contributed to create the conditions that forced the war to be inevitable.

That means your guy's an ass...

;)

In what way was it a territorial dispute and why is it no longer one?

 

The only thing US/NATO bear responsibility for was being too soft on Putin previously. “The rest button” and attempts at diplomacy were interpreted as weakness, as was turning a blind eye to Russia’s multi-year sustained influence campaign that groomed gullible and/or greedy western citizens to form a fifth column of Putin sympathizers in western countries b

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2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

In what way was it a territorial dispute and why is it no longer one?

 

The only thing US/NATO bear responsibility for was being too soft on Putin previously. “The rest button” and attempts at diplomacy were interpreted as weakness, as was turning a blind eye to Russia’s multi-year sustained influence campaign that groomed gullible and/or greedy western citizens to form a fifth column of Putin sympathizers in western countries b

Completely false, but I cannot help you.

I am not here to educate

the great unwashed

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2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Completely false, but I cannot help you.

I am not here to educate

the great unwashed

Nope, it’s true and as your name suggests you are rarely correct and incapable of educating.
 

Yes I am great but only occasionally unwashed. 

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On 3/23/2023 at 7:03 PM, OftenWrong said:

I say DeSantis has caved in to the pro-war mania that is pouring out of every media outlet. People are being whipped into a murderous fury. The war machine is coming, and there is no room for an alternative view, so you'd better get on board. In other words the next president has to be all for this shit.

Kinda like you people, eh? Enjoy your war...

 

The ONLY ONE who is CHOOSING WAR is Putin. Mounting a DEFENSE is NEVER a CHOICE, it is a MANDATE.

Only the spineless SURRENDER.

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On 3/23/2023 at 7:12 PM, OftenWrong said:

The only question is whether it's a territorial dispute or not, and at first it was one. What that probably means is, a local problem let them deal with it. Not our business. For the rest - no one is saying Putin is not a war criminal, no one is saying it was not wrong to invade, no one is saying he should not be held accountable.

That doesn't negate the fact that you people are also to be held accountable. I mean the United States, NATO and EU, and the UK. All who contributed to create the conditions that forced the war to be inevitable.

That means your guy's an ass...

;)

The ONLY condition which led to the war was Ukraine KICKING OUT Putin's PUPPET Yanukovych, who had his GOONS kill a hundred+ protestors.

Your response: thank you sir may I have another. LMAO

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2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Stop LYING, LIAR! You don't even believe your cite enough to quote it HERE.

Let's go through it one by one:

The Left ruins everything:

1. The universities

Perhaps the most obvious example—one that many liberals acknowledge—is the left’s near destruction of most universities as places of learning. In the words of Harvard professor Steven Pinker—an atheist and a liberal—because of the left, “universities are becoming laughing stocks of intolerance.” At almost every university—and now high schools and even elementary schools—students are taught to shut down—not debate—those who differ with them. And to rely on feelings rather than reason. 

Tell me how the above paragraph is wrong. 

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