Biden Department of Education: "School Discipline Is Racist."

[robosmith]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...do you sit around thinking up novel ways to express blankness?

What is the Liberal mind? Seems a rather straight forward and self explanatory phrase. Plain English.

Something only a complete plank would need an explanation for.

Unless you're just some automaton set to create confusion and chaos.

You know...like someone bent on destruction would engage in.

FACT is, there is NOT "the liberal mind;" there are MANY DIFFERENT liberal MINDS.

Trying to shoehorn all liberal thought into ONE "mind" is just asinine.

Do YOU understand now?

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

FACT is, there is NOT "the liberal mind;" there are MANY DIFFERENT liberal MINDS.

Trying to shoehorn all liberal thought into ONE "mind" is just asinine.

Do YOU understand now?

Yes dear...

[reason10]

19 hours ago, Hodad said:

Are we sharing selfies? No thanks.

You didn't mention Nancy Green, you lauded Aunt Jemima. You are spreading a bullshit, apocryphal version of her history that whitewashes the injustice of the time. She did not become a millionaire- as has been pointed out to you many times. Try an actual source. 

And, again, even if ANY of what you said had been true, Green wouldn't have been the first Black millionaire. 

As is your habit, you got every single point wrong.

 

Get over yourself, snowflake. You've LOST this argument. GET A LIFE, you spoiled brat.

[reason10]

5 hours ago, robosmith said:

FACT is, there is NOT "the liberal mind;" there are MANY DIFFERENT liberal MINDS.

Trying to shoehorn all liberal thought into ONE "mind" is just asinine.

Do YOU understand now?

Actually, ALL of liberalism is in Nazi lockstep. Liberals today do not think. They merely follow the most educated leaders they can find, because liberals are basically STUPID.

Mainstream conservatives, (who make up most of America) are the most independent THINKERS on the planet. We can't even agree on lunch.

[reason10]

21 hours ago, Rebound said:

You’re lying. 

I don't have to lie. I'm right and you're wrong.

 

GET A LIFE, snowflake.

[reason10]

20 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I think the ultimate cause of such situations is our eroded family values as well.

Such a solution is a long haul...but it would produce wide-spread positive effects.

Very true.

[reason10]

18 hours ago, Hodad said:

Everything is racist. And sexist. That's the inevitable outcome of having systems designed almost entirely by one demographic within a multifaceted society. 

Example: Seat belts are famously designed to protect men. They are not as safe for women. Why? Because of who designed them. Female crash test dummies didn't even exist until about a decade ago, so no one was even testing efficacy for female forms.

White men have held the bulk of soccioeconic power for hundreds of years. Our institutions reflect that as much as the physical world does. Our justice, education and other systems are the social analogue of seat belt design. 

If we want a society that represents and serves all of the people in it, everyone needs a seat at the table. We can't meet the needs of the people until we truly understand those needs, and that means we need representation throughout our institutions.

Before you issue some mindless, pre-packaged, rah-rah indictment of "wokeness," stop and think about it. What I'm saying is completely true. It's also the exact same augment that underpins the rural, conservative push for allocation of power to from urban population centers to the local level: those jerks in the capitol don't understand us, they don't know what we need. Same principle. Now, muster up some empathy and try to apply it to people who don't look and live as you do.

Your indictment of white men is RACIST.

You are a racist.

(We all knew that. Wokeism is basically RACISM.)

[reason10]

17 hours ago, Hodad said:

Um,no. You most recently cited Pinterest (checks the record) yep, that's right. Pinterest. Par for the course.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/30/fact-check-aunt-jemima-model-didnt-create-brand-wasnt-millionaire/3241656001/

 

 

 

Yeah, right. The Woke USA Today.

What's' next? MSLSD? CNN? The View.

Get a life, snow flake. You've LOST this argument.

[reason10]

8 hours ago, Rebound said:

Laws vary by state, and I don't know the law of all fifty states.

But if the perpetrator is the breadwinner, then the victim and the kids face substantial economic impact of a jailed spouse and even an un-jailed spouse.

If the survivor is the breadwinner, then he or she faces the prospect of paying support to the perpetrator, possibly for life. Very few states exempt a domestic violence victim from paying alimony.

In both instances, the situation creates a substantial economic barrier to divorce. 

Actually, it is very easy to know the law in every state. Well, a particular state you want to know about. (No one wants to research laws in 50 states.) Just go to a search engine, type in that state's statutes, then add family law.

One thing, thought. In family law, alimony is a completely different concept from child support. Alimony is worked out in court. Child support is statutory because it is considered by law to be an amount a child is entitled to. You can actually look it up in most family law statutes and get the exact amount, based on the income of the parents. And it is usually split up between each parent, according to their earning capability. If the wife has no job, then the husband is on the hook for the money.

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, reason10 said:

Your indictment of white men is RACIST.

You are a racist.

(We all knew that. Wokeism is basically RACISM.)

“Woke” is a term conservatives termed, so it means whatever nonsense you people want it to mean. 

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, reason10 said:

Actually, it is very easy to know the law in every state. Well, a particular state you want to know about. (No one wants to research laws in 50 states.) Just go to a search engine, type in that state's statutes, then add family law.

One thing, thought. In family law, alimony is a completely different concept from child support. Alimony is worked out in court. Child support is statutory because it is considered by law to be an amount a child is entitled to. You can actually look it up in most family law statutes and get the exact amount, based on the income of the parents. And it is usually split up between each parent, according to their earning capability. If the wife has no job, then the husband is on the hook for the money.

Convicted abusers are rarely awarded custody, although that too happens sometimes. 
 

But imaging being stuck in a marriage with a violent abuser because getting divorce cleans you’ll be forced to hand over 30% of your gross pay to your abuser. There are states where judges can’t consider domestic violence as a factor in an alimony award. 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Rebound

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

“Woke” is a term conservatives termed, so it means whatever nonsense you people want it to mean. 

Wrong. It's a hole you Libbies dug yourself...again.

https://thedispatch.com/article/the-origins-of-the-term-woke-had/

 

[Rebound]

17 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Wrong. It's a hole you Libbies dug yourself...again.

https://thedispatch.com/article/the-origins-of-the-term-woke-had/

 

I stand corrected. And that article states that the OED defines “woke” as “alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice.”  Since you know more about this than I do, would you please explain how it is that being alert to discrimination and injustice  is form of racism, as reason10 claims?

Edited November 14, 2022 by Rebound

[Nationalist]

29 minutes ago, Rebound said:

I stand corrected. And that article states that the OED defines “woke” as “alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice.”  Since you know more about this than I do, would you please explain how it is that being alert to discrimination and injustice  is form of racism, as reason10 claims?

I don't know more than you about "woke". I know how to search the internet. However...

Where the word was originally meant to denote political and social awareness, the Left managed to warp the meaning. They took an obvious example of great intentions and, instead of making a hoe or a shovel, they made a sword. 

A sword that cut at one group, in order to elevate another group. Unfortunately...this "woke" practice promotes even more racism, instead of reducing it, which was the original intent.

Thus, in creating this sword, Libbies ignored the obvious fact that a sword has 2 cutting edges. In order to promote 1 group over another, one must entertain racist ideas and motives.

"RACISM" doesn't only apply to colored people...it applies to ALL people. So IMO, one should not be "woke" by today's warped definition. One should simply "wake up" to reality, truth, respect and honour. 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Nationalist

[Rebound]

47 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I don't know more than you about "woke". I know how to search the internet. However...

Where the word was originally meant to denote political and social awareness, the Left managed to warp the meaning. They took an obvious example of great intentions and, instead of making a hoe or a shovel, they made a sword. 

A sword that cut at one group, in order to elevate another group. Unfortunately...this "woke" practice promotes even more racism, instead of reducing it, which was the original intent.

Thus, in creating this sword, Libbies ignored the obvious fact that a sword has 2 cutting edges. In order to promote 1 group over another, one must entertain racist ideas and motives.

"RACISM" doesn't only apply to colored people...it applies to ALL people. So IMO, one should not be "woke" by today's warped definition. One should simply "wake up" to reality, truth, respect and honour. 

Nazis systematically rounded up over six million people and gassed them to death. We use the word Nazi to mean almost anything, but almost never do we mean the systematic extinction of an entire group of people.  What happened to black people in America did not end in 1865. It certainly continued into the 1960’s and many believe we still have vestiges of it today. We had a black President and three back Supreme Court justices, and while that is progress, it does not mean that racism is over.  
 

I don’t like the fact that Massachusetts and Oregon elected the first openly-lesbian governors, because I believe we should be past the labels. One of them was interviewed on TV, and was asked, “When did you first realize you were attracted to women?” Have you EVER seen an interviewer asked a straight male candidate when he was first attracted to women? 

I don’t vote for people because of their race, gender or sexual identity, and I think that if all the minority groups in America coalesced around the single goal of true equality for all, the Democrats would never lose another election. But that may never happen, because each group has unique needs, and separate leaders arise who articulate those needs.  
 

Not surprisingly, we tend to filter out all the rational things they say and make a huge deal whenever someone says something stupid.  

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, reason10 said:

Actually, ALL of liberalism is in Nazi lockstep.

No reason to believe ^this I DIOTIC OPINION.

7 hours ago, reason10 said:

Liberals today do not think.

Sure we.do. For example, I think you're an I DIOT because of the stupid name calling you post HERE.

7 hours ago, reason10 said:

They merely follow the most educated leaders they can find, because liberals are basically STUPID.

That would be YOU.

7 hours ago, reason10 said:

Mainstream conservatives, (who make up most of America) are the most independent THINKERS on the planet. We can't even agree on lunch.

Conservatives are actually a MINORITY here. Proof is the last election. ?

And that Trump lost in 2020 by 7 MILLION VOTES

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

Nazis systematically rounded up over six million people and gassed them to death. We use the word Nazi to mean almost anything, but almost never do we mean the systematic extinction of an entire group of people.  What happened to black people in America did not end in 1865. It certainly continued into the 1960’s and many believe we still have vestiges of it today. We had a black President and three back Supreme Court justices, and while that is progress, it does not mean that racism is over.  
 

I don’t like the fact that Massachusetts and Oregon elected the first openly-lesbian governors, because I believe we should be past the labels. One of them was interviewed on TV, and was asked, “When did you first realize you were attracted to women?” Have you EVER seen an interviewer asked a straight male candidate when he was first attracted to women? 

I don’t vote for people because of their race, gender or sexual identity, and I think that if all the minority groups in America coalesced around the single goal of true equality for all, the Democrats would never lose another election. But that may never happen, because each group has unique needs, and separate leaders arise who articulate those needs.  
 

Not surprisingly, we tend to filter out all the rational things they say and make a huge deal whenever someone says something stupid.  

Nazis. The very first word in your response. What do you expect me to do? Cringe? What is the point of this reference?

What happened to black people...was an ancient market for slaves (cheap labour), developed when travel to less developed African nations became easy for the Nordic nations, and were plundered by the more advanced Nordic nations and the rather obvious happened. The slave trade. Black people...trapping other black people...to sell to the colonials...as slaves. If I'm not mistaken, this accounts for a very small percentage of black people. Not that that's an excuse...just a fact.

I think what made the slavery of blacks from Africa palletable, was the visual difference. This made it easier for people to classify these people as...subhuman. 

But don't fool yourself. There is no such thing as a person completely bereft of racist feelings. That happens to stem from an instinct.

The question is not...is any given person "racist"...but rather how does any given person manage his/her "racist" inclinations.?

Edited November 14, 2022 by Nationalist

[reason10]

7 hours ago, Rebound said:

“Woke” is a term conservatives termed, so it means whatever nonsense you people want it to mean. 

Afraid not.

https://tiffanymarkman.medium.com/the-evolution-of-woke-865c4e826e7f

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Do you consider yourself to be woke? If you do, you probably know that this term for being enlightened or aware, particularly about racism and social justice, is a political byword of African-American origin.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/woke-meaning-origin

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Woke is now defined in this dictionary as “aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice),” and identified as U.S. slang. It originated in African American English and gained more widespread use beginning in 2014 as part of the Black Lives Matter movement. By the end of that same decade it was also being applied by some as a general pejorative for anyone who is or appears to be politically left-leaning.

The term Woke came from a racist terrorist group called Black Lives Matter.

These animals.

 

YOUR side of the aisle.

[reason10]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

No reason to believe ^this I DIOTIC OPINION.

Sure we.do. For example, I think you're an I DIOT because of the stupid name calling you post HERE.

That would be YOU.

Conservatives are actually a MINORITY here. Proof is the last election. ?

And that Trump lost in 2020 by 7 MILLION VOTES

Educated people get it. Maybe you should hang around a few. Trump did not lose by 7 million LEGAL votes.

 

[Rebound]

5 minutes ago, reason10 said:

Educated people get it. Maybe you should hang around a few. Trump did not lose by 7 million LEGAL votes.

 

All that money and Trump can’t dig up any evidence of widespread fraud. 
 

Arizona spend millions on the CyberNinjas recount, and they found more ballots cast Biden than originally counted.  Way to go!

[reason10]

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Convicted abusers are rarely awarded custody, although that too happens sometimes. 

This is when hiring a good family law attorney is important.
 

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But imaging being stuck in a marriage with a violent abuser because getting divorce cleans you’ll be forced to hand over 30% of your gross pay to your abuser. There are states where judges can’t consider domestic violence as a factor in an alimony award. 

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It is sometimes a very unfair world. Family law courts don't always rule in the best interests of the children, as much as they try.

I"d be curious as to which state courts are prohibited from considering domestic violence as a factor in alimony.

But remember, alimony is a different creature from child support. One is at the discretion of a judge. The other is statutory.

[reason10]

Boys and girls, you can see how id iotic this notion of discipline being racist is. (In the event anyone would actually like to discuss the subject of this thread.)

And if you apply it fairly, then you are calling a bunch of black teachers racist. At inner city schools. (and I sub at quite a few) they dish out punishment, as much as the law allows. If they were allowed to use a belt, they would ALL show up to work with one and for the first week, those babes would be swinging. After that, the school would resemble a monastery, as far as behavior goes. 

I occasionally get in trouble with fellow conservatives because I don't instantly condemn the TEACHERS. (Part of that is because I'm in Florida, which has the best public schools and the best teachers.) I know. Conservatives assume all teachers are unionized, lazy, loud mouthed, left wing, and ineffective.

From 1999 to the present, I have depended on teachers to show my how to do my job, without making it look like I have no idea what I'm doing. I basically sit in the teachers' lounge during lunch and take a  couple of shutup pills and listen to them. For decades I've studied the lesson plans and followed them. I've compared schools (which is interesting because there are no two schools alike in Florida.) And I know a lot about the system.

I used to think the concept of a "Helicopter Parent" was a bullshit liberal excuse for a teacher not doing his/her job. After the first ten years as a sub, I realized that outside of beltway bureaucrats who add to the paperwork while doing NOTHING useful at all in education, the true enemies of education are negligent parents who refuse to civilize their little hellhounds.

A teacher's job is not to raise the kid. A teacher's job is to teach.

Yes, I've subbed for a few bad teachers, who were suspended for various infractions. Not ALL teachers are saints. But the vast majority of them are dedicated public servants who know the job and put up with a lot of crap.

Oh, and when it comes to kids being hell hounds, disrupting classrooms and acting like barbarians, RACE is rarely a factor. I've worked predominately white schools where those animals are just as crazy as the black schools. I have noticed that Asian students are quieter and more conscientious. (Most of them.) And in some Latin schools, the kids are very well behaved, mostly because their parents would kick the shit out of them if they acted out.

But RACE is not a factor. There are negligent parents of all races, and there are hellhound brats of all races.

They have to be controlled. It's as simple as that.

[Rebound]

12 minutes ago, reason10 said:

This is when hiring a good family law attorney is important.
 

It is sometimes a very unfair world. Family law courts don't always rule in the best interests of the children, as much as they try.

I"d be curious as to which state courts are prohibited from considering domestic violence as a factor in alimony.

But remember, alimony is a different creature from child support. One is at the discretion of a judge. The other is statutory.

I began by saying I don’t know the family law in each of the 50 states, but in the ones I looked at, only California permits a judge to consider a domestic violence conviction. In fact, in the case of a felony conviction, alimony awards are prohibited.  
 

“Oh, just get a good lawyer,” you say.  Well… sure!! Just sell your house to pay a good lawyer so you don’t have to pay alimony.  It’s not corporate law, it’s family law. And, as I said, in states where judges are statutorily prohibited from considering a DV conviction, you’re SOL anyway. Beat your wife, go to prison, and collect alimony from her when you get out. Seriously, no joke. 

[Rebound]

4 minutes ago, reason10 said:

Boys and girls, you can see how id iotic this notion of discipline being racist is. (In the event anyone would actually like to discuss the subject of this thread.)

And if you apply it fairly, then you are calling a bunch of black teachers racist. At inner city schools. (and I sub at quite a few) they dish out punishment, as much as the law allows. If they were allowed to use a belt, they would ALL show up to work with one and for the first week, those babes would be swinging. After that, the school would resemble a monastery, as far as behavior goes. 

I occasionally get in trouble with fellow conservatives because I don't instantly condemn the TEACHERS. (Part of that is because I'm in Florida, which has the best public schools and the best teachers.) I know. Conservatives assume all teachers are unionized, lazy, loud mouthed, left wing, and ineffective.

From 1999 to the present, I have depended on teachers to show my how to do my job, without making it look like I have no idea what I'm doing. I basically sit in the teachers' lounge during lunch and take a  couple of shutup pills and listen to them. For decades I've studied the lesson plans and followed them. I've compared schools (which is interesting because there are no two schools alike in Florida.) And I know a lot about the system.

I used to think the concept of a "Helicopter Parent" was a bullshit liberal excuse for a teacher not doing his/her job. After the first ten years as a sub, I realized that outside of beltway bureaucrats who add to the paperwork while doing NOTHING useful at all in education, the true enemies of education are negligent parents who refuse to civilize their little hellhounds.

A teacher's job is not to raise the kid. A teacher's job is to teach.

Yes, I've subbed for a few bad teachers, who were suspended for various infractions. Not ALL teachers are saints. But the vast majority of them are dedicated public servants who know the job and put up with a lot of crap.

Oh, and when it comes to kids being hell hounds, disrupting classrooms and acting like barbarians, RACE is rarely a factor. I've worked predominately white schools where those animals are just as crazy as the black schools. I have noticed that Asian students are quieter and more conscientious. (Most of them.) And in some Latin schools, the kids are very well behaved, mostly because their parents would kick the shit out of them if they acted out.

But RACE is not a factor. There are negligent parents of all races, and there are hellhound brats of all races.

They have to be controlled. It's as simple as that.

The situation is what it is.

Why do certain children have a higher probability of misbehavior in school? Would you agree that the reasons, on a probability basis, are poverty and being fatherless?

[robosmith]

44 minutes ago, reason10 said:

Educated people get it. Maybe you should hang around a few. Trump did not lose by 7 million LEGAL votes.

 

Too bad YOU and Trump (as usual) have NO EVIDENCE to prove "illegal" votes were counted.

Trump tried 60+ times to prove that in court AND FAILED.

When you have NO EVIDENCE of FRAUD, all you have is the CERTIFIED VOTE COUNT.

But I am smart enough to know that FACT makes NO DIFFERENCE TO YOU.

You will just keep making EVIDENCE FREE ridiculous claims here.