Why did Obama announce his candidacy in the home of a convicted, unrepentant domestic bomber?

[robosmith]

52 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Not really a mistake so much as a group of very ill-informed people that are easily mislead. Perfect examples of how successful brainwashing can be. The mobs doing this kind of vandalism are simply too narrow minded to acknowledge that there could possibly be anyone with a different point of view. We all know leftists are extremely intolerant of diversity of opinion.

Certainly when it comes to things like slavery being evil. Don't you agree?

[ironstone]

8 hours ago, robosmith said:

Certainly when it comes to things like slavery being evil. Don't you agree?

Nobody today would argue that slavery was not an evil practice. But the best course is to talk about history, warts and all. Leftists only seem to want to mention one side of history and not acknowledge the role of those that fought and died to end the practice. Not to mention the fact that slavery was not limited to blacks.

 

[Rebound]

3 hours ago, ironstone said:

Nobody today would argue that slavery was not an evil practice. But the best course is to talk about history, warts and all. Leftists only seem to want to mention one side of history and not acknowledge the role of those that fought and died to end the practice. Not to mention the fact that slavery was not limited to blacks.

 

Which has nothing to do with the fact that Barack Obama announced his candidacy on the steps of the Illinois statehouse and not in Ayer’s living room. 
 

Your boy lied, got caught, and now you’re deflecting into a completely different topic. More proof of the the pure venal evil dishonesty of Republicans 

[Infidel Dog]

46 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Which has nothing to do with the fact that Barack Obama announced his candidacy on the steps of the Illinois statehouse and not in Ayer’s living room. 
 

Your boy lied, got caught, and now you’re deflecting into a completely different topic. More proof of the the pure venal evil dishonesty of Republicans 

I love how guys like Robo/Rebound (who even if they aren't the same guy speak with the same mind) do this one where they deflect from the topic, introducing a topic like slavery then when you respond they accuse you of deflecting.

Now as to Obama announcing his candidacy in terrorist bomber Bill Ayers living room RR did something similar. I didn't see anything in the OP specifically saying it was the candidacy for President that Obama announced in terrorist bomber Bill Ayers living room. It wasn't but RR goes off like he has some tremendous gotcha by confusing the candidacy for president with Obama being announced as entering the political arena as a candidate for Senator, thus starting his political career.

It happened like this:

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Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, hosted a gathering at their home in 1995,^[6] where Alice Palmer introduced Obama as her chosen successor in the Illinois State Senate.^[4][7] Obama and Ayers' service on the board of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago overlapped for three years from 1999 to 2002.^[4][6][7]

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers_2008_presidential_election_controversy

[robosmith]

On 10/12/2022 at 3:12 PM, ironstone said:

Is the statue of Lincoln still there or has it been pulled down by woke Democrat mobs??

 

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

I love how guys like Robo/Rebound (who even if they aren't the same guy speak with the same mind) do this one where they deflect from the topic, introducing a topic like slavery then when you respond they accuse you of deflecting.

You're the one who deflected into making this about a Lincoln statue (an abolitionist).

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

Now as to Obama announcing his candidacy in terrorist bomber Bill Ayers living room RR did something similar. I didn't see anything in the OP specifically saying it was the candidacy for President that Obama announced in terrorist bomber Bill Ayers living room. It wasn't but RR goes off like he has some tremendous gotcha by confusing the candidacy for president with Obama being announced as entering the political arena as a candidate for Senator, thus starting his political career.

It happened like this:

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers_2008_presidential_election_controversy

From YOUR cite:

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On September 19, 1995, Obama announced his candidacy for Palmer's state Senate seat to two hundred supporters at the Ramada Inn Lakeshore, where Palmer introduced and endorsed Obama as her successor.

Obama had "entered the political arena" much earlier than YOU CLAIM

I'm sure there is a reason you FAILED to QUOTE proof of YOUR CLAIM from that cite. 

[Infidel Dog]

45 minutes ago, robosmith said:

 

You're the one who deflected into making this about a Lincoln statue (an abolitionist).

Buddy, I just got here. I don't know what you're talking about.

[Infidel Dog]

52 minutes ago, robosmith said:

From YOUR cite:

Obama had "entered the political arena" much earlier than YOU CLAIM

I'm sure there is a reason you FAILED to QUOTE proof of YOUR CLAIM from that cite. 

I think you need to read my cite a little more closely:

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On September 19, 1995, Obama announced his candidacy for Palmer's state Senate seat to two hundred supporters at the Ramada Inn Lakeshore, where Palmer introduced and endorsed Obama as her successor.^[23] Sometime in the second half of 1995, Ayers and Dohrn hosted a coffee for Obama in their 4th Ward Kenwood townhouse (one mile northwest of the Obamas' 5th Ward Hyde Park condominium)^[24] at which Palmer introduced Obama as her choice to succeed her as state Senator to about a dozen guests,^[5][7] including prominent Chicago physician Quentin Young, national coordinator of Physicians for a National Health Program, which advocates universal, comprehensive single-payer national health insurance.^[25]

OK, now let me help you with your problem. Apparently the fact September was also in the second half of 1995 escapes you. September was the 9th month of the year. Still is. Will you be needing me to go through the math with you to show you how that works?

I think you can figure that one out by yourself though, so why are you having difficulty understanding that if both the public announcement and private announcement both happened in the second half of 1995 the private announcement at a private gathering of Chicago's political insiders came first? If it had been public like his announcement to press and supporters there would have been no need to announce it privately.

That would be this thing we over on the right like to refer to as common sense.

[Infidel Dog]

It's true there's also this from the 7th month of 1995:

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Retrieved 2012-11-01.
Hevrdejs, Judy; Conklin, Mike (1995-07-07). "Hevrdejs & Conklin INC". Chicago Tribune. p. 20. Retrieved 2012-11-01. Polpourri: . . . Barack Obama will announce he's running for the state Senate seat occupied by Alice Palmer, who's running for Reynolds' U.S. congressional seat. Obama, who has worked with Palmer, is an attorney at Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland and newly published author of Dreams from My Father.

But that's just scuttlebutt from a Chicago commentator. Most likely a contrived leak from Obama's camp. The 2 actual announcements happened well into the second half of 1995.

Also the leak only says Obama is planning to run. It doesn't say Palmer has chosen him to succeed her.

Edited October 15, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

I think you need to read my cite a little more closely:

OK, now let me help you with your problem. Apparently the fact September was also in the second half of 1995 escapes you. September was the 9th month of the year. Still is. Will you be needing me to go through the math with you to show you how that works?

I think you can figure that one out by yourself though, so why are you having difficulty understanding that if both the public announcement and private announcement both happened in the second half of 1995 the private announcement at a private gathering of Chicago's political insiders came first? If it had been public like his announcement to press and supporters there would have been no need to announce it privately.

That would be this thing we over on the right like to refer to as common sense.

Palmer introducing Obama as HER CHOICE to succeed, IS NOT an OBAMA announcement he is running like the one he made IN PUBLIC. Duh.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

Buddy, I just got here. I don't know what you're talking about.

I posted the quote. Apologies that it was from ironstone, not you.

In any case, YOU got the identity of the deflector WRONG.

[Rebound]

21 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

I love how guys like Robo/Rebound (who even if they aren't the same guy speak with the same mind) do this one where they deflect from the topic, introducing a topic like slavery then when you respond they accuse you of deflecting.

Now as to Obama announcing his candidacy in terrorist bomber Bill Ayers living room RR did something similar. I didn't see anything in the OP specifically saying it was the candidacy for President that Obama announced in terrorist bomber Bill Ayers living room. It wasn't but RR goes off like he has some tremendous gotcha by confusing the candidacy for president with Obama being announced as entering the political arena as a candidate for Senator, thus starting his political career.

It happened like this:

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers_2008_presidential_election_controversy

Robo and I sound similar because we state the truth.

it was Ironstone who deflected this discussion into ci federate statues and slavery. Not me. Not Robo.  

[Infidel Dog]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

Robo and I sound similar because we state the truth.

 

The way I'd describe it is group think or 2 browser windows and a VPN.

Edited October 16, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

Oh, and I'd have to go back and check but didn't the effort to push this thread off track begin when on of you as RR tried suggesting there was some sort of sanctity to Obama proclaiming his candidacy by incorrectly claiming it was first announced on the same steps Lincoln denounced slavery.

I can't remember the reply but if I'd been the first to see that I'd point out the obvious flaw in that baited remark. Lincoln was a Republican. Obama looking for a little stolen valor by introducing a bogus Lincoln comparison.

Edited October 16, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

The way I'd describe it is group think or 2 browser windows and a VPN.

You got NO EVIDENCE for ^this, cause it is FALSE.

Meanwhile you got half a dozen cons here spouting the same Fox News BS.

[Infidel Dog]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You got NO EVIDENCE for ^this, cause it is FALSE.

So it's just the group think thing then.

I'm surprised you're admitting to that.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Oh, and I'd have to go back and check but didn't the effort to push this thread off track begin when on of you as RR tried suggesting there was some sort of sanctity to Obama proclaiming his candidacy by incorrectly claiming it was first announced on the same steps Lincoln denounced slavery.

I can't remember the reply but if I'd been the first to see that I'd point out the obvious flaw in that baited remark. Lincoln was a Republican. Obama looking for a little stolen valor by introducing a bogus Lincoln comparison.

Republicans ABANDONED the racial justice issue with Nixon's Southern Strategy in the late 60's.

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In American politics, the Southern strategy was a Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters in the South by appealing to racism against African Americans.^[1][2][3] As the civil rights movement and dismantling of Jim Crow laws in the 1950s and 1960s visibly deepened existing racial tensions in much of the Southern United States, Republican politicians such as presidential candidate Richard Nixon and Senator Barry Goldwater developed strategies that successfully contributed to the political realignment of many white, conservative voters in the South who had traditionally supported the Democratic Party. It also helped to push the Republican Party much more to the right relative to the 1950s.^[4]

 

[robosmith]

Just now, Infidel Dog said:

So it's just the group think thing then.

I'm surprised you're admitting to that.

Both of your idiotic speculations are FALSE.

[Infidel Dog]

[robosmith]

8 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

AKA, ^intellectual bankruptcy.

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

So it's just the group think thing then.

I'm surprised you're admitting to that.

Truth isn’t “group think.” It’s just truth. 

[Infidel Dog]

5 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Truth isn’t “group think.” It’s just truth. 

Hey how does that Johnny Cash song go?

"And the lonely voice of goofs say...

This is truth."

Something like that anyway.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

Hey how does that Johnny Cash song go?

"And the lonely voice of goofs say...

This is truth."

Something like that anyway.

Still NO EVIDENCE, just more ^intellectual bankruptcy.

[Rebound]

13 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Hey how does that Johnny Cash song go?

"And the lonely voice of goofs say...

This is truth."

Something like that anyway.

Well, it’s true that Johnny Cash said that, but why are you people so allergic to facts? Like, “The sky is blue,” and “Earth is not flat,” and “Obama did not announce his candidacy at the home of Bill Ayers,” and “Obama was born in Hawaii.” Simple stuff.  

Republicans thrive on lies. Every Republican leader with any decency should have said, “Hey, Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.”  But they are not decent people. If lying helps, they’re happy with it. Only problem is, you can never tell when a liar is telling you the truth. 

Edited October 17, 2022 by Rebound