Which of the major problems plaguing America today IS NOT the fault of Democrats?

[Infidel Dog]

Not just caused but are causing.

That would go The Federal Reserve, You Forgot Obama, Biden and The Pandemic.

[Infidel Dog]

And apology for what?

 For calling BS on this?

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According to you, Trump is the leading cause of inflation. You provided me with a link to a document written by Heritage Foundation. It clearly stated that Donald Trump is the number one cause of our current inflation condition. 

I'm still waiting to see the link from The Heritage Foundation saying Donald Trump was the "number one cause" of inflation.

Anytime you're ready then...

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

I'm not sure I understand the argument that Biden driving up inflation by printing massive amounts of money and driving up the cost of Gas and therefore the cost of living doesn't matter because there are arguable comparisons to what Trump did when he was dealing with the pandemic.

Inflation caused by Trump's vast money supply increases is STILL affecting the economy even though it was MASKED by the pandemic's reduction in the velocity of money

3 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Speaking of equivalencies I mean. I'm not sure I even understand the pathetic attempt at trying to make them there.

Just because you DON'T UNDERSTAND, does NOT make the reasoning a "pathetic attempt."

You are NOT objective about Trump.

3 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Biden screwed up. If you want to say it was cause, TRUMP well...Trump's gone now so why does America still need Bidenflation?

It DOESN'T. The Fed is now fighting inflation with higher interest rates. Unfortunately that is the ONLY tool in their toolbox.

Biden didn't "screw up," he took NECESSARY STEPS to get the economy back on track after Trump's INCOMPETENT management of the pandemic. AKA, pretending it "go away" or "disappear in the spring."

There are so many examples I started a LONG THREAD about them at a different site.

3 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

And Biden boys and girls who like to puff their chests out about unemployment finally returning to pre-pandemic levels forget about this:

62.1%: Labor Force Participation Falls in July, As 239,000 More Americans Drop Out of Labor Force

IT doesn't matter. If someone is not looking for a job, they obviously either don't need, or want one.

It's often called RETIREMENT.

[robosmith]

25 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

And apology for what?

 For calling BS on this?

I'm still waiting to see the link from The Heritage Foundation saying Donald Trump was the "number one cause" of inflation.

Anytime you're ready then...

You don't understand that Trump was POTUS when the Fed was number one according to YOUR Heritage cite?

[Infidel Dog]

Look inflation increased under Biden. Noticeably. Obviously. Radically. 

Everything else is just desperate diversion and blather.

Let's move on to another one in Rebound's list of 4.

How about what he's calling climate change.

So, if I understand the claim there, what they used to call Global Warming and now call "Climate Change" is a problem and it's Republicans that are more cause than solution.

I believe you guys say that has something to do with energy driven economies using what you think is too much CO2"

Well there's this:

Americans’ CO2 Emissions Hit A 67-Year Low Under Trump

So how are we going to blame Trump and the Republicans for that one?

 

 

[robosmith]

36 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Look inflation increased under Biden. Noticeably. Obviously. Radically. 

Everything else is just desperate diversion and blather.

Let's move on to another one in Rebound's list of 4.

How about what he's calling climate change.

So, if I understand the claim there, what they used to call Global Warming and now call "Climate Change" is a problem and it's Republicans that are more cause than solution.

I believe you guys say that has something to do with energy driven economies using what you think is too much CO2"

Well there's this:

Americans’ CO2 Emissions Hit A 67-Year Low Under Trump

So how are we going to blame Trump and the Republicans for that one?

 

 

Did you drive during the pandemic? Not as much, right?

I KNOW the traffic was significantly reduced HERE during the pandemic from people working remotely or laid off.

AKA, the pandemic was the sole reason CO2 emissions were reduced under Trump's admin.

So no, Trump gets NO CREDIT for mismanaging the pandemic, causing MORE deaths than necessary.

[Infidel Dog]

7 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Did you drive during the pandemic? Not as much, right?

I KNOW the traffic was significantly reduced HERE during the pandemic from people working remotely or laid off.

AKA, the pandemic was the sole reason CO2 emissions were reduced under Trump's admin.

So no, Trump gets NO CREDIT for mismanaging the pandemic, causing MORE deaths than necessary.

The pandemic and the switch to Natural gas from coal. Whatever, if you are trying to sell what you call "Climate Change" as a major problem you can't blame Trump. CO2 decreased under Trump's watch.

[Infidel Dog]

BTW if you click that link you'll see it's from 2018. The Covid Kung Flu hit in 2019.

[robosmith]

14 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

BTW if you click that link you'll see it's from 2018. The Covid Kung Flu hit in 2019.

That is amazing considering that Trump CAMPAIGNED on SAVING COAL.

Of course Trump didn't have much time to do ANYTHING about energy for 2018 and your cite says:

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Also, U.S. energy demand has flatlined since the early 2000s, and as that happened, coal lost sizeable market shares to natural gas and green energy sources. Coal is much more emissions-intensive than natural gas.

Coal’s decline largely began under the Obama administration when stricter environmental regulations aimed at closing older coal plants were issued. Coupled with lower-priced natural gas, utilities began retiring coal plants earlier than expected.

IIRC, Trump gutted the EPA regulation of CO2 emissions.

[Infidel Dog]

The point is you can't blame Trump and the Republicans for driving up CO2 to kill the planet (which is the way I believe your global warming theory goes) if CO2 reached record lows under Trump's watch.

So let's move on to the next "major problem" Rebound wants to blame Trump and the Republicans for.

How about "abortion bans" then?

Not sure how that's a "major problem." Not even sure we can call abortion banned. It's become more inconvenient in some states. 

And I'll never understand how saving as many babies lives as possible is a "major problem." Some women can't afford to get to a different state to kill their babies now and that's a "major problem," is it.?

You're going to have a real hard problem convincing me and mine of that one.

 

[Michael Hardner]

22 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

The point is you can't blame Trump and the Republicans for driving up CO2 to kill the planet (which is the way I believe your global warming theory goes) if CO2 reached record lows under Trump's watch.

 

Well you can't blame him simply because he came in at the tail end of the problem. As for CO2 reduction, I think there's some other likely culprits.

[Infidel Dog]

28 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Well you can't blame him simply because he came in at the tail end of the problem. As for CO2 reduction, I think there's some other likely culprits.

 

I wasn't blaming Trump. That was my point. You can't blame him for CO2 increases if there were record CO2 decreases on his watch.

 

 

Edited October 7, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

 

I wasn't blaming Trump. That was my point. You can't blame him for CO2 increases if there were record CO2 decreases on his watch.

Yes I agree with you on not blaming, but I also don't think you can credit him. 4 years is a drop in the bucket.

[Infidel Dog]

Rebound wanted to blame him.

In any case human caused climate catastrophism is an unsupportable non-problem that even if it were a problem would be better served by continuing to adapt to any change in the climate. You know, like Trump did.

Edited October 7, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Michael Hardner]

5 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

 

In any case human caused climate catastrophism is an unsupportable non-problem that even if it were a problem would be better served by continuing to adapt to any change in the climate. You know, like Trump did.

Adaptive response is indeed one approach but it would also demand aid for poor countries that have to bear the effects.

 

[Infidel Dog]

9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Adaptive response is indeed one approach but it would also demand aid for poor countries that have to bear the effects.

 

And mitigation wouldn't? Is that your point?

If it is, it's a bad one.

Edited October 7, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

Show me how poor nations will make their way out of poverty by buying them wind mills. 

Did you ever get around to checking out the economist, Bjorn Lomborg? He'll go into great detail showing you how the poor are better served through adaptation than mitigation.

[Rebound]

10 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

And apology for what?

 For calling BS on this?

I'm still waiting to see the link from The Heritage Foundation saying Donald Trump was the "number one cause" of inflation.

Anytime you're ready then...

BS. That article said the causes were:

1) The Fed

2) Trump

3) Biden

And the chairman of the Federal Reserve was appointed by Donald Trump. So the Fed is Donald Trump’s fault as well. 
 

But is anybody really thinking about inflation outside the political lens?  If we listen to Hoover and any Republican, they will tell us the reason is deficit spending. But, come on, that is obviously nonsense, because we have had deficit spending since the 70’s at least, and we had massive deficit surges under Reagan, Bush II and Trump, and there was no correlation to inflation. 
 

The world economy is in a reboot right now.  Look at, say, Hertz rentals. They had lots and lots of cars they couldn’t rent during lockdown, so they sold them. Then, car makers could not produce enough cars.  Demand for rentals is back to its old level but car availability is too low, so prices are high. That should be clear to anyone, and it has nothing to do with the deficit. Republican politicians know this, but Republican voters don’t know or care that deficits always grow faster under Republican Presidents. 

Edited October 7, 2022 by Rebound

[Infidel Dog]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

BS. That article said the causes were:

1) The Fed

2) Trump

3) Biden

You know what it didn't say? This:

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On 10/6/2022 at 7:10 AM, Rebound said:

According to you, Trump is the leading cause of inflation. You provided me with a link to a document written by Heritage Foundation. It clearly stated that Donald Trump is the number one cause of our current inflation condition.  

 

And that was what I called BS on.

But go ahead, keep telling I don't know what I meant. See how much luck you have with that one.

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

The point is you can't blame Trump and the Republicans for driving up CO2 to kill the planet (which is the way I believe your global warming theory goes) if CO2 reached record lows under Trump's watch.

I can certainly blame him for gutting the EPA enforcement of CO2.

And he deserves NO CREDIT for tardiness in responding to OBAMA'S success in limiting CO2.

 

3 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

So let's move on to the next "major problem" Rebound wants to blame Trump and the Republicans for.

How about "abortion bans" then?

Not sure how that's a "major problem." Not even sure we can call abortion banned. It's become more inconvenient in some states. 

And I'll never understand how saving as many babies lives as possible is a "major problem." Some women can't afford to get to a different state to kill their babies now and that's a "major problem," is it.?

You're going to have a real hard problem convincing me and mine of that one.

 

No need to convince YOU. American women have already shown they are convinced with their massive turnout to defeat Republicans' abortion amendment in Kansas, DESPITE the dirty tricks they used to try to pass it.

What seems to you to be "more inconvenient" becomes nearly impossible for poor women who already have kids and a job they can't lose.

You obviously don't understand their plight, but they do, and that's why abortion should be THEIR DECISION.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Rebound wanted to blame him.

In any case human caused climate catastrophism is an unsupportable non-problem that even if it were a problem would be better served by continuing to adapt to any change in the climate. You know, like Trump did.

MAYBE in the US, but certainly NOT worldwide. Are you going to open Canada's doors to all the climate change refugees who are starving from extreme drought. I don't believe you will.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

And mitigation wouldn't? Is that your point?

If it is, it's a bad one.

Not if the wealthy countries WHO CAUSED the problem bear THEIR BURDEN.

[Infidel Dog]

4 minutes ago, robosmith said:

MAYBE in the US, but certainly NOT worldwide. Are you going to open Canada's doors to all the climate change refugees who are starving from extreme drought. I don't believe you will.

They don't exist. Drought itself is not the worst today it has ever been, so what makes you so sure a vibrant fossil fuel powered economy caused any you'd like to point your finger at today?

[Infidel Dog]

7 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Not if the wealthy countries WHO CAUSED the problem bear THEIR BURDEN.

The big problem with mitigation is it doesn't work. It doesn't achieve the results you're hoping for. Even if you get past all the basic bitches with things like wind and solar there's China and India. If they're not on board you're doing nothing but helping them take over your economy.

[robosmith]

6 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

They don't exist. Drought itself is not the worst today it has ever been, so what makes you so sure a vibrant fossil fuel powered economy caused any you'd like to point your finger at today?

Drought in CA TODAY is the worst it's been in my lifetime. Experts SAY climate change caused at least SOME of it.

The PROJECTION BY EXPERTS (AKA, not you) is that it will get much worse worldwide without mitigation.