Which of the major problems plaguing America today IS NOT the fault of Democrats?

[robosmith]

5 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

The big problem with mitigation is it doesn't work. It doesn't achieve the results you're hoping for. Even if you get past all the basic bitches with things like wind and solar there's China and India. If they're not on board you're doing nothing but helping them take over your economy.

YOUR CYNICISM is certainly NOT part of the solution.

[DONKIROCK]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

The big problem with mitigation is it doesn't work. It doesn't achieve the results you're hoping for. Even if you get past all the basic bitches with things like wind and solar there's China and India. If they're not on board you're doing nothing but helping them take over your economy.

It is SO gratifying to have thinking people who love freedom posting here!

"Even if you get past all the basic bitches with things like wind and solar there's China and India. If they're not on board you're doing nothing but helping them take over your economy."

 

Absolutely right.

[Infidel Dog]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

Drought in CA TODAY is the worst it's been in my lifetime. Experts SAY climate change caused at least SOME of it.

I guess if it didn't happen in your lifetime it didn't happen then. Prog logic, I guess.

An Essay at Watts using data from HERE disagrees.

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Is it true that we are in the worst drought in California history? Let’s look at the facts for the last 120 years (1895 to present).

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/clip_image002_thumb6.jpg?resize=590%2C610

As shown in this chart from the Western Regional Climate Center website (http://www.wrcc.dri.edu) — this is not even the 2nd driest water year for California in the last 120 years.

The driest year was 1924 (9.23 inches, or 40% of normal). The current water year (October 2013 through September 2014) ranks as the 3rd driest in the last 120 years (at 52% of normal).

As for the claim that this is the worst multi-year drought in California history – look at the period of 1910-40 on the WRCC chart. Wow… that was really a dry 30 year period.

Do these facts mean that we are in good shape re California’s water supply? No!

But we shouldn’t be framing the search for a stable California water supply by starting from a wildly incorrect statement that seems focused on creating public panic.

If we begin our search for a solution from reality, it is more likely that we can achieve a realistic long term solution.

 

Edited October 7, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

YOUR CYNICISM is certainly NOT part of the solution.

I'm not cynical about adaptation. I'm on board with that.

 

[robosmith]

40 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

I guess if it didn't happen in your lifetime it didn't happen then. Prog logic, I guess.

An Essay at Watts using data from HERE disagrees.

 

Your link does not point to any essay by Watts; not that it matters cause Watts is the Al Gore of climate deniers. AKA, NOT a scientist.

MAYBE if I could read it, he might cite some pseudo fossil fuel industry funded "experts." AKA, paid to find favorable conclusions for them.

IYO, do we have to WAIT for record setting drought to take baby steps, in spite of what the experts are predicting?

We can look at the current trend, and it ain't good.

[robosmith]

41 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

I'm not cynical about adaptation. I'm on board with that.

 

Like I said before, that's not going to work for the poverty stricken in Africa, facing starvation from OUR obstinance.

[Rebound]

3 hours ago, DONKIROCK said:

It is SO gratifying to have thinking people who love freedom posting here!

"Even if you get past all the basic bitches with things like wind and solar there's China and India. If they're not on board you're doing nothing but helping them take over your economy."

 

Absolutely right.

India and China are having all kinds of energy problems. America used to be a maker. We still are, in high tech. If we become the world leader in alternative energy tech, we can sell it worldwide. People all over India and China, and much of the world, lack basic energy for heating and cooking. 

Edited October 7, 2022 by Rebound

[Infidel Dog]

8 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Your link does not point to any essay by Watts; not that it matters cause Watts is the Al Gore of climate deniers. AKA, NOT a scientist.

 

Sorry about that. Here ya go:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/11/22/worst-drought-in-california-history-not-really/

And here's the chart from the Western Regional Climate Center showing this was not the driest year in California's record:

[Infidel Dog]

BTW Watt's is a meteorologist.

[robosmith]

3 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Sorry about that. Here ya go:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/11/22/worst-drought-in-california-history-not-really/

And here's the chart from the Western Regional Climate Center showing this was not the driest year in California's record:

Who said it is the "worst in history"? Not me.

EXPERTS on climate science (which is NOT Watts) say the current drought was made worse by AGW.

And that we are facing long term worse.

But the issue is FAR FROM JUST CA. We are just one BAD example.

[robosmith]

1 minute ago, Infidel Dog said:

BTW Watt's is a meteorologist.

AKA, a weatherman, NOT a climate scientist. Climate is NOT weather.

We have a local weatherman John Coleman, who ALSO believes that qualifies him to make credible judgements on climate. It DOES NOT.

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

I guess if it didn't happen in your lifetime it didn't happen then. Prog logic, I guess.

An Essay at Watts using data from HERE disagrees.

 

I get that you're right-wing, and you need everything in little "information capsules" that are easy to digest... But, California is a massive geographic region with 11 separate climate zones, and one 8 year-old rainfall chart isn't going to tell us much. You can have very heavy flooding in the Mojave Desert which will boost total rainfall statewide, but it isn't going to help rainfall for the Central Valley farms, nor will it contribute to the drinking water stored in the Sierra snowpack. What's more, precipitation alone is only part of the problem, because average higher temperatures mean drier forests and greater amounts of evaporation. It's simply a much more complex subject than you're making it out to be, and certainly a single eight year-old article isn't going to answer all the questions.

Edited October 7, 2022 by Rebound

[DONKIROCK]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

India and China are having all kinds of energy problems. America used to be a maker. We still are, in high tech. If we become the world leader in alternative energy tech, we can sell it worldwide. People all over India and China, and much of the world, lack basic energy for heating and cooking. 

Are you a fool or a dupe?

If you dont know that the jig is up on the alternate energy fetish, you're a dupe. 

It is unsustainable. 

If you know this and still promote something that wont work, just to take advantage of people's ignorance, you are an evil fool.

Your karmic debt will be hell to pay.

[Rebound]

20 minutes ago, DONKIROCK said:

Are you a fool or a dupe?

If you dont know that the jig is up on the alternate energy fetish, you're a dupe. 

It is unsustainable. 

If you know this and still promote something that wont work, just to take advantage of people's ignorance, you are an evil fool.

Your karmic debt will be hell to pay.

Let me get this straight:

We cannot run out of petroleum, but we can run out of sunlight and wind? How does that make sense? 
 

Photovoltaic cells are made from silicon and aluminum. They are among the most abundant elements on earth. It’s basically glass. 

Edited October 7, 2022 by Rebound

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

I guess if it didn't happen in your lifetime it didn't happen then. Prog logic, I guess.

An Essay at Watts using data from HERE disagrees.

 

I'll see your weatherman and raise you a UCLA Professor.

Current drought is worst in 1,200 years in California and the American West, new study shows

 

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Tree rings indicate 2001-2022 is driest 22-year-period since at least 800 A.D., when Vikings sailed and Mayans built temples

 

The drought that has parched California and the American West for much of the past two decades ranks as the driest 22-year period in at least 1,200 years, according to a new study published Monday.

Measuring historical moisture patterns by looking at thousands of tree rings, scientists concluded that the West is in a “megadrought,” the likes of which have not been seen in the region since at least 800 A.D., when Vikings sailed the North Atlantic and Mayans built temples in Mexico and Central America.

Climate change, which is leading to increasing temperatures, is making the current dry period more severe than it otherwise would have been, the researchers concluded.

“Here we are 22 years into a bad drought, and because of climate change we are now surpassing the severity of megadroughts that have always been thought of as the worst-case scenarios,” said Park Williams, an associate professor of geography at UCLA and lead author of the study.

 

 

[Michael Hardner]

20 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

And mitigation wouldn't? Is that your point?

If it is, it's a bad one.

I'm just saying that both approaches require payouts.

[Infidel Dog]

22 hours ago, robosmith said:

I'll see your weatherman and raise you a UCLA Professor.

Current drought is worst in 1,200 years in California and the American West, new study shows

 

 

Except it wasn't Meteorologist, Anthony Watts. It was a guest essayist on Anthony's award winning science blog. The author used data from the Western Regional Data Center and offered this graph showing this was not the driest year on record in California:

Your "Professor" is not a professor. He's an associate professor which to me is more like what we used to call a TA, a tutorial assistant.

Hope he sticks with it long enough to learn that tree rings are not considered a reliable proxy. Perhaps there's hope for him.

If you want to make this about slurring sources, I mean.

Also and I show you this below so you can tell people you now have a little bit of actual climate knowledge:

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The Western Regional Climate Center (WRCC) is a climate research center serving the Western United States. The WRCC is one of six regional centers administered by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and National Centers for Environmental Information, and partners with the Nevada-based Desert Research Institute.^[1][2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Regional_Climate_Center

 

[robosmith]

16 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Except it wasn't Meteorologist, Anthony Watts. It was a guest essayist on Anthony's award winning science blog. The author used data from the Western Regional Data Center and offered this graph showing this was not the driest year on record in California:

Your "Professor" is not a professor. He's an associate professor which to me is more like what we used to call a TA, a tutorial assistant.

Still a professor. And TA is teaching assistant, at least two steps BELOW Associate Professor.

Is associate professor higher than assistant?

An associate professor is a mid-level professor in a tenure-track position in between an assistant and full professorship. An assistant professor becomes an associate professor when they achieve tenure, which is usually five to seven years into employment with a demonstration of exceptional teaching or research skills.

You need to adjust your misunderstanding.

16 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Hope he sticks with it long enough to learn that tree rings are not considered a reliable proxy. Perhaps there's hope for him.

Says you. I'll take the Associate Professor of Geology at UCLA over your opinion anytime.

AFAIK, tree rings are reliable for age and a little less reliable for rainfall depending on how the data is collected. 

 

16 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Also and I show you this below so you can tell people you now have a little bit of actual climate knowledge:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Regional_Climate_Center

 

I have plenty of knowledge and KNOW where to find the truth.

[Infidel Dog]

6 hours ago, robosmith said:

An associate professor is a mid-level professor in a tenure-track position in between an assistant and full professorship. An assistant professor becomes an associate professor when they achieve tenure, which is usually five to seven years into employment with a demonstration of exceptional teaching or research skills.

So you admit you were wrong in presenting an associate professor as a professor then. That's OK live and learn. Bet you fell silly for being so puffed up in the chest about it at first though.

Hey, as long as you're into learning now though, here's something you might be interested in knowing as far as associate professors and tenure goes.

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Academic Tenure

An associate professor typically earns tenure, which bestows the freedom and autonomy to pursue studies and conduct work that may disagree with public opinion or authority without fear of losing the job over it. An associate professor must adhere to certain professional and ethical standards, however. While associate professors may pursue controversial topics, they must conduct their inquiry within the accepted guidelines for academic research.

So in order to get and keep tenure it sounds like an associate has to be a good little postsecondary soldier and get in line with pushing the global elite agenda stuff like climate catastrophism even if it means offering up wishy washy, questionable sciency crap like Tree Rings. 

Edited October 9, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[robosmith]

16 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

So you admit you were wrong in presenting an associate professor as a professor then. That's OK live and learn. Bet you fell silly for being so puffed up in the chest about it at first though.

Nope. It is a stage of professor. It's in the name.

16 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Hey, as long as you're into learning now though, here's something you might be interested in knowing as far as associate professors and tenure goes.

So in order to get and keep tenure it sounds like an associate has to be a good little postsecondary soldier and get in line with pushing the global elite agenda stuff like climate catastrophism even if it means offering up wishy washy, questionable sciency crap like Tree Rings. 

^Pure speculation. But it's difficult to find substantiation which serves YOUR agenda, right?

[Infidel Dog]

22 minutes ago, robosmith said:

^Pure speculation. But it's difficult to find substantiation which serves YOUR agenda, right?

Not necessarily. For example, my speculation is your agenda of pushing a coming human caused climate catastrophe is crap and I rarely have trouble substantiating that one.

For example did you hear that data from the NOAA affiliated, Western Regional Climate Center shows this year was not California's driest on record despite what Tree Ring quakery from the odd associate professor and such might like you to believe?

[robosmith]

19 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Not necessarily. For example, my speculation is your agenda of pushing a coming human caused climate catastrophe is crap and I rarely have trouble substantiating that one.

For example did you hear that data from the NOAA affiliated, Western Regional Climate Center shows this year was not California's driest on record despite what Tree Ring quakery from the odd associate professor and such might like you to believe?

The UCLA Professor of Geology is FAR FROM the only one claiming a current record drought in CA.

California suffering through driest three years ever recorded, with no relief in sight

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Anderson said the current three-year period is the driest since records began in 1896. What’s more, a stubborn La Niña climate pattern in the tropical Pacific is expected to stick around for a rare third year this fall and winter, he said. La Niña can tip the scales toward dryness, especially in Southern California, but that’s not a guarantee, and much depends on where the system’s high pressure manifests.

 

[DONKIROCK]

On 10/7/2022 at 9:37 AM, robosmith said:

YOUR CYNICISM is certainly NOT part of the solution.

Yes, it is.

Only, we call it level headed pragmatism.

And level headed pragmatism is one of the qualities which make Democrats generally unqualified to serve in elected office and Democratic voters, generally unqualified to choose elected representatives in government. 

[Rebound]

On 10/6/2022 at 10:28 PM, Infidel Dog said:

 

Well there's this:

Americans’ CO2 Emissions Hit A 67-Year Low Under Trump

So how are we going to blame Trump and the Republicans for that one?

 

 

There was a massive pandemic and most of the nation was ordered to quarantine. Almost no-one drove to work or flew in airplanes.  Duh. Of course that dropped carbon emissions But it had nothing to do with anything Donald Trump did.  
 

Is that even difficult?

Edited October 10, 2022 by Rebound

[Michael Hardner]

On 10/9/2022 at 1:25 AM, Infidel Dog said:

 ... questionable sciency crap like Tree Rings. 

If tree rings correlate with ice core samples and samples of both taken in other parts of the world it's pretty accepted. And anyway weren't we talking about the science and another thread? Did you give up on that conversation? I didn't see a response to my last point.