Is the world polluting the minds of young people with a false narrative of the origin and meaning of life?

[blackbird]

On 1/7/2022 at 8:57 AM, Winston said:

The push for climate alarmism is primarily based on models with little understanding of how the climate functions globally. I can agree that the alarmism is unnecessarily and cult like. I would say it has become religious, where those asking questions are hunted down. 

However, where your article looses me is when it makes the assertion this is due to young people loosing faith in God, an assertion with no evidence.

The reason could be that young people today are not taught to ask questions (what, how and why) or critically think, they are told what to think. It would be better for (less educated) young people to take more logical reasoning, scientific methodology courses, providing them with the ability to critically think about the ideologies presented.

Fundamentally the climate change claim is a claim of ethics or morals, ie if our actions hurt or kill someone on the other side of the planet, should we change the way we behave? 

  

Lack of faith in the God of the Bible has serious consequences.  It means young people are taught and imbibe a different world view.  The world view they are taught is secular or humanist.  When God is absent, the individual becomes focused entirely on what humanism teaches them, which is completely contrary to what God teaches about how we came to be here and what the meaning of life is.  It becomes strictly a materialistic world view and their minds then become open to humanist political ideologies like Socialism, progressivism, LGBT rights, Marxism, etc.  For some they worship Mother Earth, another false religion that relegates man to being just another animal.  Such thinking is very prevalent now as we see on social media.  According to mother earth worshipers, man was not a special creation and so has no special value in God's eyes, which is totally contrary to Biblical revelation.  God created everything for a purpose and has a special place for man in his plan.  According to humanism, the creation was just some kind of cosmic accident and there is no purpose to it all.

Edited January 9, 2022 by blackbird

[Winston]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

According to humanism, the creation was just some kind of cosmic accident and there is no purpose to it all.

"cosmic accident" and "no purpose" find those in a scientific text book? I do not think so. If you took the time to understand the science behind such theories, you would use different words.  

Why would people have faith in a God, if God does not prove existence? If there is no evidence for a God? 

Its funny to even think a God would care about LGBT rights or human sexuality.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Winston said:

 Why would people have faith in a God, if God does not prove existence? If there is no evidence for a God? 

Its funny to even think a God would care about LGBT rights or human sexuality.

The evidence for God is all around in the creation.  There are many good articles and videos on that subject at creation.com website.  God cares about everyone, but he has given everyone the freedom of choice to choose which way they are going and what they will believe.  The evidence is there.  The choice is yours.  He created man and woman, male and female.  Those are the only two sexes he created and told them to go forth and multiply in the earth.  Other man-made inventions of sexuality cannot multiply and were not part of his plan.  They developed out of a corrupt human nature after the fall of man.  But he still cares about everyone and wishes they would turn to him in faith.  Without God there is nothing and no meaning.

[Colin Norris]

On 1/7/2022 at 2:55 PM, blackbird said:

Creation.com sells a paper magazine called Creation, but also has articles online from past issues.  One has an editorial article called "Radicalizing Young People" by Don Batten.  This goes into the issue of how many if not most young people are radicalized today to protest and support climate alarmism and Greta Thunberg.  Sadly young people, particularly in the public school system, are being brainwashed with humanist, progressivism, liberal ideology.  This article delves into this subject.  This is only one subject of many that young people are being brainwashed on.

The first part of the article says:

" The mass protests of school students about ‘climate change’ have caused many of us to wonder how it has come to this. Even supposed adults are falling over themselves to genuflect to a 16-year-old kid. We are scratching our heads wondering what the world is coming to.

I believe that we can largely trace this radicalizing to the loss of faith in God, particularly in young people. Since the 1960s, once-Christian countries have increasingly indoctrinated all young people in an evolutionary way of thinking—there was a ‘big bang’, where nothing exploded with no cause billions of years ago, and we are the product of purely natural processes (‘evolution’) since then. In other words, we are ‘star dust’, as one famous commentator put it. We are ultimately a chance product of atoms randomly banging around over billions of years.

Because of the evolutionary brainwashing, the indoctrinated now have no purpose to their lives and no eternal hope or perspective.

Such a view has no room for the Bible’s message of God creating us with a purpose; our fall into sin, sickness, and death in Adam; and salvation in Jesus Christ. This brings a life of purpose lived now and a wonderful hope for eternity, including that we will be free of sickness and death.

Because of the evolutionary brainwashing, the indoctrinated now have no purpose to their lives and no eternal hope or perspective. Consequently, young students are looking for some sort of self-authentication, and a crusade to save the planet fits the bill. Hence the fervour, and we are awash with ‘virtue signalling’!

But not many get to consider that if we were all nothing but stardust from a big bang, and it will all end forever when the universe runs out of useable energy, there would be little point to ‘saving the planet’ anyway. How does one get a moral imperative—what we ought to do—from atoms banging around?

Creation magazine provides a powerful counter to the cultural demise around us, for young and old.

Creation magazine provides a powerful counter to the cultural demise around us, for young and old. This issue presents powerful evidence that God did indeed create everything, just like the Bible says. Our ears (pp. 14–17) reveal incredible design! The wonderful world of bats (pp. 28–31), with their amazing echolocation and flight, speaks of divine invention. In the children’s section, the size of the universe (pp. 32–35) highlights God’s all-powerful nature."

For the whole article:

Radicalizing young people - creation.com

I challenge you and any person on earth to produce irrefutable evidence of any God. Not only is there no God, there is no need for one.  Everything is explained or soon will be. 

You are delusional at best. 

[Winston]

25 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The evidence for God is all around in the creation.  There are many good articles and videos on that subject at creation.com website.  God cares about everyone, but he has given everyone the freedom of choice to choose which way they are going and what they will believe.  The evidence is there.  The choice is yours.  He created man and woman, male and female.  Those are the only two sexes he created and told them to go forth and multiply in the earth.  Other man-made inventions of sexuality cannot multiply and were not part of his plan.  They developed out of a corrupt human nature after the fall of man.  But he still cares about everyone and wishes they would turn to him in faith.  Without God there is nothing and no meaning.

I think you forgot that this conversation already occurred, where you could not provide evidence of a God, 

 

"Those are the only two sexes he created and told them to go forth and multiply in the earth.  Other man-made inventions of sexuality cannot multiply and were not part of his plan.  They developed out of a corrupt human nature after the fall of man.  But he still cares about everyone and wishes they would turn to him in faith.  Without God there is nothing and no meaning." - Interesting, but God just told me that he thinks LGBT people should be respected and cared for just like other humans. God also told me that he changed his plan, that "homosexuality is right and so is LGBT, let those who follow God be free"

 

[Winston]

5 minutes ago, Colin Norris said:

I challenge you and any person on earth to produce irrefutable evidence of any God. Not only is there no God, there is no need for one.  Everything is explained or soon will be. 

You are delusional at best. 

How do you know there is no God? 

[Colin Norris]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

Lack of faith in the God of the Bible has serious consequences. 

Name one consequence for atheists that you can prove. 

It means young people are taught and imbibe a different world view.  The world view they are taught is secular or humanist.  When God is absent, the individual becomes focused entirely on what humanism teaches them, which is completely contrary to what God teaches about how we came to be here and what the meaning of life is.

You must mean being taught about the lies religion teaches kids. When God is absent, there is nothing left but fact. 

  It becomes strictly a materialistic world view and their minds then become open to humanist political ideologies like Socialism, progressivism, LGBT rights, Marxism, etc. 

Here we Go again. A typical Republican godbotherers ignorant view of the left. Is that what you God teaches you? In fact, you don't know what he thinks. You only think you do. 

 

For some they worship Mother Earth, another false religion that relegates man to being just another animal.  Such thinking is very prevalent now as we see on social media.  According to mother earth worshipers, man was not a special creation and so has no special value in God's eyes, which is totally contrary to Biblical revelation.  God created everything for a purpose and has a special place for man in his plan.  According to humanism, the creation was just some kind of cosmic accident and there is no purpose to it all.

What is your purpose for being here? If you believe life has no purpose without God, kill yourself and see if that proves there is no God. 

 

[Colin Norris]

2 minutes ago, Winston said:

How do you know there is no God? 

Simply because there is no evidence and never has been. What can be asserted without evidence can dismissed without evidence. 

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. 

The whole world has been conned for thousands of years through ignorance and low intelligence . 

[Winston]

On 1/8/2022 at 5:35 AM, Michael Hardner said:

1. 2. One "tonne" (they us SI or Metric) won't do much at all.  It's miniscule at that scale.  It's measured in ppm or parts per million.  Climate Change is mostly measured in temperature change.

3. I recommend this YouTube channel run by a science journalist.  He always references the science and is very helpful to get amateurs like us to see through the smoke.

 

1 After doing some research I realized the question I asked is not precise enough. I am looking for radiative forcing or energy transfer based on CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere. An increase of say 100ppm of CO2 causes an increase in radiative forcing by what value? Co2 absorbs energy and reemits the energy isotopically, how much energy is absorbed and emitted? ( These values are quite difficult to find online, hence why I ask)

2. I do know there is a net feedback effect, dependent upon water vapor. However, I question if the models take into account reflection of energy back into space from the increased water vapor. 

3 Thanks, he has quite a few videos, I do like the detail he provides. 

[Winston]

10 hours ago, Colin Norris said:

Simply because there is no evidence and never has been. What can be asserted without evidence can dismissed without evidence. 

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. 

The whole world has been conned for thousands of years through ignorance and low intelligence . 

It can be dismissed, but claimed as DNE does not exist would be incorrect, the problematic issue of proving a negative. 

Anyway we are on the same page. 

Edited January 10, 2022 by Winston
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[blackbird]

59 minutes ago, Winston said:

I think you forgot that this conversation already occurred, where you could not provide evidence of a God, 

 

 

Yes, I recall we had the conversation. You are incorrect in saying that I presented no evidence.  I presented lots of evidence.  The evidence is in the creation.  You just don't accept it as evidence.  

57 minutes ago, Colin Norris said:

 

 

[blackbird]

I have explained without God, there is no such thing as true morality.  Man does what he wishes.  That is called humanism.

The definition of humanism is: 

an outlook or system of thought attaching prime importance to human rather than divine or supernatural matters. Humanist beliefs stress the potential value and goodness of human beings, emphasize common human needs, and seek solely rational ways of solving human problems.

Atheism or humanism which is closely related means one has a purely materialistic outlook on the world and there is no such thing is good and evil, or right and wrong, with the exception of what humanists deem is right or wrong.  But this type of morality is man centered or hedonistic.  It is wrong because there is no ultimate accountability and one can in theory do whatever he can get away with.  Whatever feels good in the here and now is all that matters.  That kind of world leaves no hope for the future or eternity.  The Bible is about eternity because it teaches God created man with a soul and a spirit and with the possibility of sharing eternity with God in heaven.  He created man in his own image, with an eternal plan.  He teaches that life does not end at death.  But also said that man belongs to God and therefore it is God's decision when one dies, not man's decision.  To back that up God says in the Bible "thou shalt not kill".  He also gives other commandments the central ones being he commands man to love the Lord thy God and to love thy neighbour as thyself. 

Therefore, atheism has no foundation and opens the door to other diabolical ideologies such as Socialism (which is stealing from those that have something to give to others), Marxism, and liberalism / progressivism.  These ideologies are diabolical because they contradict the teachings which God has given us in his written revelation, in English, the King James Bible.  

The Bible says without faith it is impossible to please him (God).  Without God there is no meaning in life. The central message of the Bible is that man fell from a good relationship with God when Adam and Eve rebelled against God and inherited a fallen, corrupt nature.  He is separated from God.  But God sent his Son to be the Savior for all those who believe in him and accept his sacrifice on the cross as an atonement for their sin and believe that he rose from the dead.  That is man's only hope salvation.  One must be redeemed.

[Winston]

43 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The evidence is in the creation.

You can' just say look at everything it was created, by this God, you have to prove creation, hence why I asked explain exactly how God makes an electron or an atom or a molecule. 

[Winston]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I have explained without God, there is no such thing as true morality.

Your right there is no such thing as objective, true morality. DNE. 

Hence why that idea that objective morality exists, ie God, first premise fails, ie not an argument. 

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Atheism or humanism

 Atheism does not = humanism, 

Atheism is "is an absence of belief in the existence of deities."

Humanism is "a progressive philosophy of life that, without theism or other supernatural beliefs, affirms our ability and responsibility to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment that aspire to the greater good",

they are not interchangeable, please look up definitions. 

You assume right and wrong must be made by supernatural or theistic ideas, fundamentally this is wrong. Humans can understand subjective morality, ethics, based on desirable outcomes, for the individual or the collective. 

13 minutes ago, blackbird said:

It is wrong because there is no ultimate accountability and one can in theory do whatever he can get away with. 

There is group accountability, biological accountability, sustainable accountability and individual accountability (may be more). Yes one can do whatever they want, does not make it socially moral or ethical.  

[blackbird]

2 minutes ago, Winston said:

You can' just say look at everything it was created, by this God, you have to prove creation, hence why I asked explain exactly how God makes an electron or an atom or a molecule. 

God has chosen the vehicle of faith for man to come to him.  You are asking to have proof in scientific terms which is not how God has chosen to operate.  God has said he spoke creation into existence in Genesis Chap. 1.  Other than that there is no explanation given of how he did that or how he created atoms.  But it is reasonable to believe atoms, molecules could not have created themselves.  They required a Creator who we call God.  Therefore we accept it on faith that it was a supernatural act of God.

The Bible says "1  Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. {substance: or, ground, or, confidence} 2  For by it the elders obtained a good report. 3  Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. " Hebrews 11:1-3 KJV   So you see here it says the worlds were framed by the word of God.  That tells me he simply spoke the creation into existence.

"11  For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12  Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13  Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."  1 Corinthians 2:11-14 KJV

Here we see that the natural man cannot know these things or accept them.  It says they are foolishness unto him.  So they must be spiritually discerned.  The only way to believe in God and what he did is through a spiritual viewpoint.  

"6  But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. "  Hebrews 11:6 KJV

 

 

 

[blackbird]

17 minutes ago, Winston said:

There is group accountability, biological accountability, sustainable accountability and individual accountability (may be more). Yes one can do whatever they want, does not make it socially moral or ethical.  

According to your definition and liberal definition, whatever government legalizes is moral.  Therefore according to that reasoning, abortion or killing of unborn babies is moral.  But this is still killing humans and is shown in the Holy Scriptures to be against God's teaching on the sanctity of life and command "thou shalt not kill".  So  your argument that whatever man or government decrees is moral falls down flat.  Likewise, in Nazi Germany in the 1930s, and early 1940s the Jews were considered evil and worthy of the final solution.  Society in general accepted that although probably not everyone.  But the Nazi government approved.  Did that make it good or righteous.  Of course not.  It was still a great evil in God's sight.  Your argument falls flat in that example as well.

Edited January 9, 2022 by blackbird

[Winston]

15 minutes ago, blackbird said:

God has chosen the vehicle of faith for man to come to him.  You are asking to have proof in scientific terms which is not how God has chosen to operate.

What is your definition of faith ?

My friends have faith that I am God, does that mean I am God? And since I am God I choose not to operate by showing any scientific proof that I am God.

17 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The Bible says

If you would like to save time, Bible quotes are unnecessary, they have near 0 value in the conversation.  

[blackbird]

15 minutes ago, Winston said:

What is your definition of faith ?

My friends have faith that I am God, does that mean I am God? And since I am God I choose not to operate by showing any scientific proof that I am God.

If you would like to save time, Bible quotes are unnecessary, they have near 0 value in the conversation.  

I gave you the definition of faith from the Bible in Hebrews ch11.  That is the faith we are talking about.  I accept the Bible and it answered your questions or comments better than I ever could.  I will stick with the King James Bible because it is God's inspired word.  Your argument is really with the Bible and with God.  I can't really add to his description of what faith is.  As I said it is necessary to look at the subject through a supernatural viewpoint or eyes, as it says in 1 Corinthians ch2.  There is no other way.

Edited January 9, 2022 by blackbird

[Winston]

8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

According to your definition and liberal definition, whatever government legalizes is moral.  Therefore according to that reasoning, abortion or killing of unborn babies is moral.  

1 Definition of what exactly? 

2 No, we as a collective determine the ethical or moral rules we play by. From these agreed upon rules we form a government that implements these ethical rules into laws ect. Although the laws are not about ethics themselves they support actions against those that break those ethical rules.  

3"Therefore according to that reasoning, abortion or killing of unborn babies is moral."- Overall depending upon the situation it is moral or ethical indeed, both to the baby and the mother. For example teen pregnancy may lead to a more problematic life for the mother, father and the child. Fundamentally if the unborn is directly dependent upon the mother, it is up to the mother (potentially the father) to determine her own risks and choices. However the alternative is forced pregnancy and parenthood, potentially worse for the child. 

Similarly, we lock people up for life, fundamentally restricting their freedom, basically killing a majority of their life experience for ethical/moral reasons. 

 

[Winston]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I gave you the definition of faith from the Bible in Hebrews ch11.  That is the faith we are talking about.  I accept the Bible and it answered your questions or comments better than I ever could.  I will stick with the King James Bible because it is God's inspired word.  Your argument is really with the Bible and with God.  I can't really add to his description of what faith is.  As I said it necessary to look at the subject through a supernatural viewpoint or eyes, as it says in 1 Corinthians ch2.  There is no other way.

Great, by definition of faith, I am God. 

"it answered your questions or comments better than I ever could" - It states that I am God, by my friends faith, thanks. 

[Colin Norris]

9 hours ago, blackbird said:

Yes, I recall we had the conversation. You are incorrect in saying that I presented no evidence.  I presented lots of evidence.  The evidence is in the creation.  You just don't accept it as evidence.  

 

You are basically sticking to the Jesus junkies line. 

God never created one thing and yo say you have evidence of it is absurd. 

I asked for irrefutable evidence and you havebprivided none because you have none and you know it. 

Yet you boldly belch rubbish suggesting you know what a God thinks and advise people of your unique access to what he thinks. Absolute rubbish and you know it.  You have nothing and never will. 

Only fraudulent charlatans peddle lies about having access to God. 

[Colin Norris]

8 hours ago, blackbird said:

I have explained without God, there is no such thing as true morality.  Man does what he wishes.  That is called humanism.

The definition of humanism is: 

an outlook or system of thought attaching prime importance to human rather than divine or supernatural matters. Humanist beliefs stress the potential value and goodness of human beings, emphasize common human needs, and seek solely rational ways of solving human problems.

Atheism or humanism which is closely related means one has a purely materialistic outlook on the world and there is no such thing is good and evil, or right and wrong, with the exception of what humanists deem is right or wrong.  But this type of morality is man centered or hedonistic.  It is wrong because there is no ultimate accountability and one can in theory do whatever he can get away with.  Whatever feels good in the here and now is all that matters.  That kind of world leaves no hope for the future or eternity.  The Bible is about eternity because it teaches God created man with a soul and a spirit and with the possibility of sharing eternity with God in heaven.  He created man in his own image, with an eternal plan.  He teaches that life does not end at death.  But also said that man belongs to God and therefore it is God's decision when one dies, not man's decision.  To back that up God says in the Bible "thou shalt not kill".  He also gives other commandments the central ones being he commands man to love the Lord thy God and to love thy neighbour as thyself. 

Therefore, atheism has no foundation and opens the door to other diabolical ideologies such as Socialism (which is stealing from those that have something to give to others), Marxism, and liberalism / progressivism.  These ideologies are diabolical because they contradict the teachings which God has given us in his written revelation, in English, the King James Bible.  

The Bible says without faith it is impossible to please him (God).  Without God there is no meaning in life. The central message of the Bible is that man fell from a good relationship with God when Adam and Eve rebelled against God and inherited a fallen, corrupt nature.  He is separated from God.  But God sent his Son to be the Savior for all those who believe in him and accept his sacrifice on the cross as an atonement for their sin and believe that he rose from the dead.  That is man's only hope salvation.  One must be redeemed.

That is the typical godbotherer reply when you have no reply. 

Of course atheism has no basis.  The meaning implies that. 

Anyone who believes in immaculate conception and virgin births. Talking snakes, resurrections, dead men walking, walking non and water, parting of The seas and a woman being turned into salt must be living in a cave. 

Ever wondered why that filthy bible is fill of instances which society knows cannot happen? Why do fantasies like that provoke you to believe it's true because your silly God supposed to have done it.? 

Surely you can see it's complete lie. The only thing in the bible correct are the page numbers. 

[Colin Norris]

10 hours ago, Winston said:

It can be dismissed, but claimed as DNE would be incorrect, the problematic issue of proving a negative. 

Anyway we are on the same page. 

What is DNE?

[Winston]

27 minutes ago, Colin Norris said:

What is DNE?

Sorry old math habits, " does not exist" 

[blackbird]

10 hours ago, Colin Norris said:

That is the typical godbotherer reply when you have no reply. 

Of course atheism has no basis.  The meaning implies that. 

Anyone who believes in immaculate conception and virgin births. Talking snakes, resurrections, dead men walking, walking non and water, parting of The seas and a woman being turned into salt must be living in a cave. 

Ever wondered why that filthy bible is fill of instances which society knows cannot happen? Why do fantasies like that provoke you to believe it's true because your silly God supposed to have done it.? 

Surely you can see it's complete lie. The only thing in the bible correct are the page numbers. 

I debated whether to even answer you because you have a serious attitude problem.  Maybe you have serious personal problems; I don't know.  But God does care about you.  God (Jesus) is there for you if you ever change your mind.  Will pray for you.  We must love our neighbours as God says.  Hate is not the answer.  God is merciful and can help you.