COVID Vaccine Safety For Children

[WestCanMan]

A poster here that we'd all agree leans to the left, and supports everything that's covid vaxx-related, pasted this link to prove that the vaccines are safe for children: https://fullfact.org/health/pfizer-teens-myocarditis/

In it you'll find this information:

 

Quote

How many reports are there?

The CDC has said that as of 16 July 2021, 8.9 million children aged between 12 and 17 had received the Pfizer Covid vaccine. It’s true that in that time there were also 9,246 reports to VAERS, the US Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (to which members of the public can report problems that occur after vaccination, to act as an early-warning system in case some of those problems are being caused by vaccines). 

and this:

Quote

4% were for myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) or myopericarditis (inflamed heart muscle and pericardium, the fibrous sac around the heart). Both can be caused by a number of different things, and although myocarditis in the young is rare, it’s not unheard of in children and we don’t know how many of these cases reported to VAERS, if any, were caused by the vaccine.

and this:

Quote

How many children died?

Fourteen deaths [let's ignore suicide and just say 12] were reported to VAERS following vaccination and the CDC reviewed these as part of the study. As the video claims, four were in those under 15, and 10 were in those aged 16 to 17. The CDC said: “impressions regarding cause of death were pulmonary embolism (two), suicide (two), intracranial hemorrhage (two), heart failure (one), hemophagocytic lymphohistiocytosis [immune system flare-up] and disseminated Mycobacterium chelonae infection (one) , and unknown or pending further records (six).”

 

Cole's Notes: 8.9M kids, 12 deaths which were considered to be due to vaccination by medical professionals, and the window for these things to be considered vax-related is 7 days. 

If these adverse reactions really have nothing to do with the jab, then this number of deaths must be somewhat normal, right? Let's do some math. 

[Note: 9M kids is 1/8th of the kids in the US.  These adverse effects are from 1 week, or 1/52nd of a year.]

if 12 deaths is normal out of 8.9M kids in 1 week, then we can multiply that number by 8 to see how many there would be in one week in the whole US. 12 x 8 = 96. How many in a year? 96 x 52. 

Do 4,992 kids die of heart attacks, strokes, blood clots in the heart, immune system flare-ups, and six other [secret] symptoms in the US each year?

Are there 1,248 heart attack deaths among 5-17 yr olds every year? [3 x 8 x 52]

 

From the CDC's website, where they track mortality among 5-14 yr olds, I dug up theses stats:

 

PULMONARY EMBOLISM: 1 kid died from pulmonary embolism in the entire year of 2019: https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D76;jsessionid=CF2F57D8063A1840E7FB67E2B899

2 kids died from pulmonary embolism in the first week after their vaccination. Does that seem like a lot? If all 73M kids were vaccinated that would be 8x as many kids vaxxed. If that one week was 'normal' then there would be 51 more 'normal' weeks left in the year. 2 x 8 x 52 = 832 kids. About 832 kids would die from pulmonary embolism every year if that first week after the jab was just a normal week. 

 

HEART FAILURE: In 2019 8 kids died from "heart failure" in the entire year. They're pretty specific about the causes of death: https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D76;jsessionid=CF2F57D8063A1840E7FB67E2B899

One died of heart failure from the 8.9M in the first week. If there were 8x as many kids [so... 8], and this was a normal week, there would 52 more weeks. Seems like this was 52x the expected rate for "heart failure".

 

INTRACRANIAL HEMORRHAGE: 4 kids died from intracranial hemorrhage in the entire year of 2019: https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D76;jsessionid=CF2F57D8063A1840E7FB67E2B899

2 in this VAERS report x 8 x 52 =  832 kids. So if all 73M kids in the US were jabbed [8x as many], and the week after the jab was 'just normal' [52x as many of these normal weeks], there'd be 832 deaths, not 4.

 

MYOCARDITIS: 14 kids died from myocarditis in the entire year of 2019: The CDC doesn't mention 'myocarditis' as a cause of death here, but Jacob Clynick died in his sleep with "an enlarged heart and fluid around his heart', 3 days after the jab) 8x as many Jacobs, 120x as may days [3 days after jab x 120 = 360], 960 kids/yr. 

 

 

The CDC says that they don't think that the vaxx caused these deaths, but kids 'randomly' died at an incredible rate from the things I mentioned above, right after vaxxing. 

Whatever the 6 "mystery" causes of death were, they were reported to VAERS by medical professionals who had reason to suspect that the vaccine might be to blame. When covid is cited as a cause of death the CDC never questions it, they just question every single one of these deaths. Makes sense in a way, 'cause kids die a lot and octogenarians almost never die, right?

[WestCanMan]

A lot of people who swear that vaxxing children is 'really important' or even just 'ok' need to chime in here.

Unless you guys have a source that says "intracranial hemorrhage"  is a twice-daily occurrence among 5-18 yr olds in the US then you have some explaining to do. (That's when you just have bleeding inside of your skull for no apparent reason)

Unless you guys have a source that says "pulmonary embolism"  is a twice-daily occurrence among 5-18 yr olds in the US then you have some explaining to do. (That's when you get a blood clot that blocks an artery in your heart) 

Unless you guys have a source that says "heart failure"  is a daily occurrence among 5-18 yr olds in the US then you have some explaining to do. (This is 'heart failure', as in your heart stops beating just because it's weak. It's a completely different cause of death from a congenital condition, myocarditis or a whole host of other reasons why the heart stops. The most common causes were high blood pressure, coronary artery disease, and diabetes, but maybe kiddie pseudo-vaxxes need to be added to the list)

 

[WestCanMan]

Leftists: "We don't think for ourselves, all we do is repeat what we see/hear in the MSM. Until CTV or CNN responds to your post, we're completely unable to comment. It's like the words just don't exist inside of our heads."

AKA, you're a bunch of worthless cowards who are OK with risking the lives of children just to increase your own chance of survival by a tiny smidgeon. Go to hell. 

[Faramir]

Important question because I have no doubt this is the next phase of the emergency measures.  I honestly don't know and I have 2 children under 12.  I am big on numbers and stats, and so 12 out of millions doesn't really bother me.  But I am also a mother lion where it comes to the government sticking my children.

[WestCanMan]

16 minutes ago, Faramir said:

Important question because I have no doubt this is the next phase of the emergency measures.  I honestly don't know and I have 2 children under 12.  I am big on numbers and stats, and so 12 out of millions doesn't really bother me.  But I am also a mother lion where it comes to the government sticking my children.

That's 12 deaths from those seemingly vax-related causes within that 7-day reporting period. Statistically speaking, that would never have happened to 8.9M kids who weren't vaxxed. 

The 8.9M kids vaxxed in the US is about the same as the total number of kids in Canada.

They had 12 deaths in that one week of exposure to the recent jab, at that rate they'd have 1,200 deaths on the 100 weeks since COVID started. We only had 18 deaths in that 100 weeks of exposure to COVID. 

To say that the week after vaxxing is a very dangerous week is an understatement. But it's just 'random'. 

[WestCanMan]

Ask yourself this: "If my kid dies from a vaccine that I put in their arm can I live with that? If my kid winds up being the only healthy child in Canada & the US to die of covid will I feel bad for not vaxxing them?"

I'd hate to watch my kid die from something that I forced into their body with a needle.

If the gov't wants me to vaxx my kid then they need to do a better job of explaining away all of the neo-vax child deaths than just: "We unilaterally declared that the vaxx wasn't to blame and you don't get any of the details, peon."

Were the kids who died from covid extremely unhealthy? What about the kids who died recently after vaxxing? I'm assuming that they were very unhealthy if they died from blood clots in their lungs, etc, but why can't we know? 

It's kind of weird that they just say "The kids who died within a week of vaxxing from blood clots, non-traumatic brain hemorrhaging, heart failure, and 6 other reasons (that medical health professionals assumed to be vax-related but we won't divulge) were just randos. Kids just keel over from shit like that, and it's usually at about 5% of that pace, but we think they were just unlucky." 

Nah. It's not for me, but I'm not a medical professional. I'd recommend that you talk to a Dr. that you really really trust. 

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I'd recommend that you talk to a Dr. that you really really trust. 

I doubt that will ever include any that come with your recommendation.

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

I doubt that will ever include any that come with your recommendation.

What you expect and what you doubt is hardly a cause for reflection. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

What you expect and what you doubt is hardly a cause for reflection. 

And yet here you are reflecting on a caricature of me that you've created in your own mind.

 

Quote

 

What you expect

 

Expound please?

[WestCanMan]

18 minutes ago, eyeball said:

And yet here you are reflecting on a caricature of me that you've created in your own mind.

 

Expound please?

After reading thousands of your posts, proving you wrong thousands of times, and even catching you lying, I've come to think of you as a person who doesn't understand things very well, even with the benefit of hindsight. 

Sorry dude, that's just life.

In this instance, if you want to try to find some stats that show that the number of heart attacks and 'strokes' that children suffered within a week of vaxxing was normal, then go ahead. 

I'd love to be proven wrong on this issue because if that's the case then I can safely vaccinate my son and he'll be able to cross the border to play his sports. He already missed a chance to go to Vegas last year. 

I'm not doing this to be an ass, I actually have a vested interest here.

The pro-vax declarations of absolute safety and efficacy from before the vaccines even went through their drug trials gave me cause for concern. The anti-everything-but-vaxx push from before the vaxxes were approved was cause for concern. The decisive guarantees and harsh attacks against skeptics of vaxx safety, after there were a lot of anecdotes about side effects, was cause for concern. The fact that Astrazenica and J&J suddenly got pulled after we were already told that they were safe was cause for concern. The fact that the CDC is saying that all of those blood clots and strokes and heart attacks and 6 undisclosed deaths among children is obviously cause for concern for right now.

Big Pharma is a very generous master. Canadian doctors get 'kickbacks' (call it what you want, but pharma gives doctors millions of dollars for sitting on boards, being part of trials, etc) and we aren't allowed to know who gets how much. Your Realtor and your lawyer would lose their jobs for getting money the way that doctors do all the time. Just so ya know. 

 

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

After reading thousands of your posts, proving you wrong thousands of times, and even catching you lying, I've come to think of you as a person who doesn't understand things very well, even with the benefit of hindsight. 

Cite please. This should be snap for someone with hindsight who is %100 infallible %100 of the time.

Link by link or go **** yourself.

Show me the lies especially.

[WestCanMan]

@impartialobserver

Here are some stats on kids who died within a week after vaxing.

What do you make of this info, Dr Quincy MD?

[impartialobserver]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

@impartialobserver

Here are some stats on kids who died within a week after vaxing.

What do you make of this info, Dr Quincy MD?

You act like I care... not sure where I have posted that this topic means anything to me let alone your posting about it or even that you are breathing. 

 

 

[WestCanMan]

19 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

You act like I care... not sure where I have posted that this topic means anything to me let alone your posting about it or even that you are breathing. 

1) You told me that you've acquired a vast knowledge of covid, why did you bother to do that if you don't care about the topic? That's weird.

Here's a thing... I don't really care that much about Hindu deities. I'm not interested in joining the religion, even though I have great respect for it, so I didn't bother to learn all about them. Make sense? 

So just out of curiosity, why did you take the time to avail yourself of a massive amount of covid info, yet you don't care about it? Again, that's weird. 

2) Are you honestly saying that you don't care about dead kids now? I'm not sure what else to make of it.

FWIW I really care. The health of my kid and even of other people's kids is important to me, and I'm not sure why you'd find that odd. 

IMO making good choices for the millions Canadian kids is an even billion on a scale of 1 to 10. So, when gov't officials wanna say "jab them with the juice", I just want them to say "and none of them will die from the juice." But apparently there may be very good reason to believe that kids died of the juice alone. 

How can you not care? 

You keep replying but you have nothing to add. 

 

Buddy, you were convinced that I was sooo wrong about everything covid/vax related but you still refuse to illuminate us at all. Ya been called out AGAIN son... Either chime in with some relevant info, answer the questions posed to you, or just stop pretending to be in a position to question anyone else's data and facts. 

Run along now. I'm done with you. 

[impartialobserver]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

1) You told me that you've acquired a vast knowledge of covid, why did you bother to do that if you don't care about the topic? That's weird.

Here's a thing... I don't really care that much about Hindu deities. I'm not interested in joining the religion, even though I have great respect for it, so I didn't bother to learn all about them. Make sense? 

So just out of curiosity, why did you take the time to avail yourself of a massive amount of covid info, yet you don't care about it? Again, that's weird. 

2) Are you honestly saying that you don't care about dead kids now? I'm not sure what else to make of it.

FWIW I really care. The health of my kid and even of other people's kids is important to me, and I'm not sure why you'd find that odd. 

IMO making good choices for the millions Canadian kids is an even billion on a scale of 1 to 10. So, when gov't officials wanna say "jab them with the juice", I just want them to say "and none of them will die from the juice." But apparently there may be very good reason to believe that kids died of the juice alone. 

How can you not care? 

You keep replying but you have nothing to add. 

 

Buddy, you were convinced that I was sooo wrong about everything covid/vax related but you still refuse to illuminate us at all. Ya been called out AGAIN son... Either chime in with some relevant info, answer the questions posed to you, or just stop pretending to be in a position to question anyone else's data and facts. 

Run along now. I'm done with you. 

You are mistaken... I never said that I had a vast knowledge. My comments are about you and your zealousness which leads you to making assumptions without any actual knowledge. It is fascinating that you craft such passionate, adamant, long winded diatribes and you know that I do not care about the topic or even that you take your next breath... must like talking to yourself. 

[WestCanMan]

Just now, impartialobserver said:

It is fascinating that you craft such passionate, adamant, long winded diatribes and you know that I do not care about the topic or even that you take your next breath... must like talking to yourself. 

TBH, talking to leftists is exactly like talking to yourself. 

You can tell them anything and prove it to whatever extent you want, but if CNN/CTV didn't say it, it didn't happen, period. 

Religious scriptures have nothing on leftist dogma. Devout Catholics are skeptics by comparison to leftard cultists.

[impartialobserver]

52 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

TBH, talking to leftists is exactly like talking to yourself. 

You can tell them anything and prove it to whatever extent you want, but if CNN/CTV didn't say it, it didn't happen, period. 

Religious scriptures have nothing on leftist dogma. Devout Catholics are skeptics by comparison to leftard cultists.

Well, have a nice life. 

[WestCanMan]

@Aristides, you said something about me just talking now, in Apr 2024, with the benefit of hindsight...