Grim milestone reached

[Montgomery Burns]

Grim milestone of 1000 passes in France

Arsonists burned 1,295 vehicles nationwide overnight Saturday-Sunday — sharply up from 897 the night before

After days of ignoring the European Intifada, the MSM reluctantly has started to report this shocking news--although they continue to refer to the rioters as "youths". The M word is mysteriously absent from most reports as Day 10 passes in France.

From Sweden:

‘If we park our car it will be damaged – so we have to go very often in two vehicles, one just to protect the other vehicle,’ said Rolf Landgren, a Malmo police officer. Fear of violence has changed the way police, firemen and emergency workers do their jobs. There are some neighborhoods Swedish ambulance drivers will not go to without a police escort. Angry crowds have threatened them, telling them which patient to take and which ones to leave behind.

More from France:

Sarkozy says that violence in French suburbs is a daily fact of life. Since the start of the year, 9,000 police cars have been stoned and, each night, 20 to 40 cars are torched.

From Belgium:

The police has been told [by the Mayor] that it is ‘not expedient’ to patrol [in the Brussels suburb of Molenbeek] and officers are not allowed to drink coffee or eat a sandwich in the street during ramadan.

Day 5 of rioting by "youths" in Denmark:

For several nights in a row Rosenhøj Mall has been the scene of the worst riots in Århus for years. ‘This area belongs to us’, the youths proclaimed. [...] ‘The police have to stay away. This is our area. We decide what goes on down here’. [...] Falck, a Danish private emergency service, sent a group of fire engines under police escort to the Kjærslund nursery on Søndervangs Allé, right across the street from Rosenhøj Mall. A window had been shattered at the back of the house, and the fire had been blazing, apparently caused by gasoline poured onto the floor and lit. Falck stopped on Viby Square, a couple of kilometers from the site of the arson attack, waiting for the police to turn up so they could be escorted to the nursery.

Anxiously awaiting for the first person to blame this on President Bush....

5...4...3...2...1...

[Yodeler]

The M word is mysteriously absent from most reports as Day 10 passes in France.

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Yes the "M" word is absent. It's a group of "unemployed immigrants" hinting broadly that it's a group of layabout ex-Swedes on the rampage. The fact that they are both "M" and French-born is usually omitted.

I have lots of opinions on why this is the French Government's damn stupidity after the war & now it's come round to bite them in the ass:

After the war the French needed cheap labour...without thinking twice about the culture that the North Africans came from & whether they would ever fit into Western society ... they brought them in by the truckload to fill in the labour gaps.

Now if they thought about the culture these people came from they'd realize that the Victorian work ethic wasn't among their values. Tribal people , in order to survive, don't put their head to the grindstone. The women of the tribe ( one step up from the camels) may have to do work, but the men consider anyone who works too hard a loser. The pre-eminent values for tribal survival are violence & robbery. If you're good at those, you'll do well.

So they plunk these people into a society that tells them to turn up on time, work quietly & hard & listen to a "boss". Maybe even a woman boss.

Not going to happen. At the first opportunity 90% of them (who just didn't think this was a very viable life system) just fell on the dole & sat around at coffee shops all day before going home & ordering the camels ... oops the womenfolk ... around. Kids growing up with these values generally do no better in the Western system.

The German's were smarter. They recruited among the Turks, who, thanks to Kamel , had at least been exposed to Western values & then topped it off by only giving them working visas. If you're one of the few who adjust, or at least can stomach the Western Way ... you work & stay. If you can't hack it ... back to Ankara.

All of Europe would have done better to get their cheap labour from India, where they had had the English bang Western values into them, or the Orient where the value of "fitting in to society" would have helped in assiimilation.

They needed my valuable expertise in 1946 ... but alas I was in the cradle & now they must pay.

And will they ever!

[Montgomery Burns]

Rioting "youths" (not Muslims) *wink wink* shoot 10 policeman, 2 seriously injured.

Since this is an article from ABC, the word Muslim is, of course, absent.

[Montgomery Burns]

Yodeler:

Yes the "M" word is absent. It's a group of "unemployed immigrants" hinting broadly that it's a group of layabout ex-Swedes on the rampage. The fact that they are both "M" and French-born is usually omitted.

Mark Steyn says the same thing in his column today:

Mark Steyn in Chicago Sun-Times: Wake up Europe, you've got a war on your hands

Ever since 9/11, I've been gloomily predicting the European powder keg's about to go up. ''By 2010 we'll be watching burning buildings, street riots and assassinations on the news every night,'' I wrote in Canada's Western Standard back in February.

Silly me. The Eurabian civil war appears to have started some years ahead of my optimistic schedule. As Thursday's edition of the Guardian reported in London: ''French youths fired at police and burned over 300 cars last night as towns around Paris experienced their worst night of violence in a week of urban unrest.''

''French youths,'' huh? You mean Pierre and Jacques and Marcel and Alphonse? Granted that most of the "youths" are technically citizens of the French Republic, it doesn't take much time in les banlieus of Paris to discover that the rioters do not think of their primary identity as ''French'': They're young men from North Africa growing ever more estranged from the broader community with each passing year and wedded ever more intensely to an assertive Muslim identity more implacable than anything you're likely to find in the Middle East. After four somnolent years, it turns out finally that there really is an explosive ''Arab street,'' but it's in Clichy-sous-Bois.

Yodeler:

After the war the French needed cheap labour...without thinking twice about the culture that the North Africans came from & whether they would ever fit into Western society ... they brought them in by the truckload to fill in the labour gaps.

True

Now if they thought about the culture these people came from they'd realize that the Victorian work ethic wasn't among their values. Tribal people , in order to survive, don't put their head to the grindstone. The women of the tribe ( one step up from the camels) may have to do work, but the men consider anyone who works too hard a loser. The pre-eminent values for tribal survival are violence & robbery. If you're good at those, you'll do well.

I agree somewhat (how many Arabs work in the Mid East oil fields?), but I am not sure that you can say this about the entire male population. I believe that there are Arab men who do have a work ethic.

Just going by what I read in the Iraqi blogs...

[Yodeler]

how many Arabs work in the Mid East oil fields?

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I always wondered what they did with all of those eunuchs that were formerly employed in Islamic countries to guard the women.

Now I know.

Thanks, Monty!

BTW - Aren't you sorry that you didn't publish this thread a day earlier? We could have sued the pants off of Mark Steyn.

[Black Dog]

I said it elsewhere and have recieved no reply, so I'll ask again: were there a lot of Muslims in New York in 1964 and 1968, Watts in 1965, Detroit in 1967, San Francisco in 1966, Washington, DC in 1968, Baltimore in 1967 and 1968, and Chicago and Cleveland in 1968 or L.A. in 1990?

[Yodeler]

I said it elsewhere and have recieved no reply, so I'll ask again: were there a lot of Muslims in New York in 1964 and 1968, Watts in 1965, Detroit in 1967, San Francisco in 1966, Washington, DC in 1968, Baltimore in 1967 and 1968, and Chicago and Cleveland in 1968 or L.A. in 1990?

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Funny you should say that. I was just thinking today that I was just a touch glad to see the problems in France this week.

The French love to act superior to the barbarian Americans & I'm quite sure that they were gloating during the looting in New Orleans after Katrina, bemoaning the Americans & how they treat their black underclass & look what it has all come down to.

Well hello France!

[moderateamericain]

I said it elsewhere and have recieved no reply, so I'll ask again: were there a lot of Muslims in New York in 1964 and 1968, Watts in 1965, Detroit in 1967, San Francisco in 1966, Washington, DC in 1968, Baltimore in 1967 and 1968, and Chicago and Cleveland in 1968 or L.A. in 1990?

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Funny you should say that. I was just thinking today that I was just a touch glad to see the problems in France this week.

The French love to act superior to the barbarian Americans & I'm quite sure that they were gloating during the looting in New Orleans after Katrina, bemoaning the Americans & how they treat their black underclass & look what it has all come down to.

Well hello France!

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the difference here i think blackdog, is the race riots were frustration about living conditions in the innercity ghetto areas. The Paris riots have groups calling for JIHAD, and for outting the current french government in favor of a muslim government. Id say thats a far cry from people using a case of racial injustices to steal televisions.

[Montgomery Burns]

Robert Spencer (expert on Jihadists and Islamic terrorism) writes:

In her seminal Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis, historian Bat Ye’or details a series of agreements between the European Union and the Arab League that guaranteed that Muslim immigrants in Europe would not be compelled in any way to adapt “to the customs of the host countries.”

On the contrary, the Euro-Arab Dialogue’s Hamburg Symposium of 1983, to take just one of many examples, recommended that non-Muslim Europeans be made “more aware of the cultural background of migrants, by promoting cultural activities of the immigrant communities or ‘supplying adequate information on the culture of the migrant communities in the school curricula.’”

Not only that: “Access to the mass media had to be facilitated to the migrants in order to ensure ‘regular information in their own language about their own culture as well as about the conditions of life in the host country.”

Well, that worked out fine.

[Guest eureka]

The French riots are all about frustration with the living conditions, too. Religion barely comes into it and there is no evidence of calls for jihad having any part of this.

[Montgomery Burns]

The rioters are shouting "Allah Akbar" and claiming that this (Europe) is their land, and religion "barely comes into it"?

[moderateamericain]

http://www.iris.org.il/blog/archives/561-E...h-Intifada.html

The french Intifada, this post is for Eureka.

[Guest eureka]

I never read blogs. They are the kind of outlet that some of our less open participants would create. Anyone who does not want to attend to reasoned opinion is a possible Bloggist.

It is pure nonsense to suggest that Al Quaeda or religion is behind these riots. The answer is far more simple and far less addressed by governments. It is in social conditions and that should be obvious considering who is involved and how they are living in their societies.

No Muslims who have successfully entered their new societies are involved. The only influential Muslims who are complicit are a few fanatical clerics who are attempting to use the youngsters.

[sharkman]

Since the rioting has mostly quieted down now,(although 2 or 300 car owners a night would disagree) its troubling to hear that Jewish people are leaving France. They are being searched out and their property torched, among other things. This shows once and for all that it's more than just young toughs frustrated with living conditions.

[Guest eureka]

It does'nt really, Sharkman. Seeking scapegoats is par for the course. I would not be surprised if the radical clerics paint Jews as responsible for the miseries.

Incidentally, the radicals are all outsiders from other countries, not French. French Muslims are, apparently upset about them just as non-Muslims are.

[sharkman]

And you're positive Eureka that these radicals you speak of are non muslim down to the very last one? I don't know what info you've been hearing, but everything I'd seen and heard says it's children of Muslim immigrants who've been largely involved.

That Jews are leaving France is troubling and the reasons they are giving are anti semitism by Muslims. Or is that just more of that pesky scapegoating?

[Guest eureka]

You need to reread what I wrote.

[sharkman]

It does'nt really, Sharkman. Seeking scapegoats is par for the course. I would not be surprised if the radical clerics paint Jews as responsible for the miseries.

Incidentally, the radicals are all outsiders from other countries, not French. French Muslims are, apparently upset about them just as non-Muslims are.

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I believe you disagree with my previous point about young non muslims not being responsible for anti semitism. It appears that you feel I'm seeking scapegoats, then introduce radical clerics and miseries, though I now am not sure if you aree connecting said clerics and miseries to the riots or anti semitism.

Anyway, it's pretty obvious that muslims are persecuting jews.

[Black Dog]

http://www.iris.org.il/blog/archives/561-E...h-Intifada.html

The french Intifada, this post is for Eureka.

Well, religion is a factor, but I'd say it remains window dressing. The roots of the unrest are the lack of opportunities and prospects that lead to hopelessness, which makes for fertile ground for radical ideologies. But to say religion was the prime motivator or that there was an organized movement behind these riots is ridiculous.

That Jews are leaving France is troubling and the reasons they are giving are anti semitism by Muslims.

Anti-semetism was a fixture in France and most of Europe long before the Muslim population became a factor.

[sharkman]

Anti-semetism was a fixture in France and most of Europe long before the Muslim population became a factor.

That is true, and the Jewish community has lived there putting up with it until recently when they have started moving out of France. Have the French suddenly gotten more nasty? That is unlikely. But having the population of France augmented by those of the Muslim faith (who have strong feelings about Jews) is problematic.

It's gotten so bad that Jewish kids never walk alone when travelling between home and the Jewish school. They are forbidden to wear anything that would identify them as Jewish, even to the point of trying to wear generic looking clothing, all done in the attempt to avoid anti-semitism. Whomever you blame, France is increasingly unsafe. It's sad to see a country with such a great history come to this.