bush_cheney2004 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Posted February 19, 2021 Just now, Aristides said: Not true. Canada designed and built all its own destroyers and frigates from the 50's to the present Halifax class. Very true...last decade...no navy ships. Canada has lost the ability to design and build competent warships...more importantly and alarming, Canada has lost the will to do so. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted February 19, 2021 Report Posted February 19, 2021 Just now, Aristides said: Why? What use would we have for them? Ideal hospital ships for our many humanitarian missions. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 19, 2021 Report Posted February 19, 2021 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Very true...last decade...no navy ships. Canada has lost the ability to design and build competent warships...more importantly and alarming, Canada has lost the will to do so. Aye...the good old days when we were #3 Navy-wise. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Aristides Posted February 19, 2021 Report Posted February 19, 2021 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Ideal hospital ships for our many humanitarian missions. We need actual combat ships that can operate in the Arctic more. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Posted February 19, 2021 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Ideal hospital ships for our many humanitarian missions. Nah....Canada prefers to spend more money on used junk from other nations. Except for those CC-177s that Harper bought over Liberal objections. Smart move.... 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Aristides Posted February 19, 2021 Report Posted February 19, 2021 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: Aye...the good old days when we were #3 Navy-wise. Only in number of ships. We were a small ship navy. A couple of escort carriers and two heavy cruisers were our largest WW2 ships. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 19, 2021 Report Posted February 19, 2021 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Nah....Canada prefers to spend more money on used junk from other nations. Except for those CC-177s that Harper bought over Liberal objections. Smart move.... They were both at fire sale prices that even Egypt could afford... But, yes...Canada Joe Bidened that up as well. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 19, 2021 Report Posted February 19, 2021 Just now, Aristides said: Only in number of ships. We were a small ship navy. A couple of escort carriers and two heavy cruisers were our largest WW2 ships. Yes...a real force that would need to be dealt with rather than brushed-off as insignificant. Like...say...the Red Chinese view us now. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Posted February 19, 2021 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: They were both at fire sale prices that even Egypt could afford... But, yes...Canada Joe Bidened that up as well. Must be frustrating for Canadian Forces....rusty trucks...rusting submarines...corroding CF-188s...leased mongrel supply ships...museum grade rotary winged aircraft...a long list. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted February 19, 2021 Report Posted February 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Aristides said: We need actual combat ships that can operate in the Arctic more. Who says they can't? Russia commissioned them...an Artic nation. The Mistral is a very capable jeep carrier. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral-class_amphibious_assault_ship Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Cannucklehead Posted February 19, 2021 Report Posted February 19, 2021 https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/mobile/navy-exercise-to-include-missile-launches-return-of-canadian-submarine-off-b-c-coast-1.5297699 I guess we just don't put on as big of a show as the u.s. does. Quote
Aristides Posted February 19, 2021 Report Posted February 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Yes...a real force that would need to be dealt with rather than brushed-off as insignificant. Like...say...the Red Chinese view us now. Destroyers, frigates and corvettes. No subs. Probably not. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 19, 2021 Report Posted February 19, 2021 Just now, Aristides said: Destroyers, frigates and corvettes. No subs. Probably not. Seeing that it's history...yeah, it did. We were the sub hunters...not the subs. Good ones, too. Trudeau Sr killed the Navy off. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Aristides Posted February 19, 2021 Report Posted February 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Who says they can't? Russia commissioned them...an Artic nation. The Mistral is a very capable jeep carrier. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral-class_amphibious_assault_ship There is no indication they were to be used in the Arctic. The first ship was supposed to go to the Pacific. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 19, 2021 Report Posted February 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Must be frustrating for Canadian Forces....rusty trucks...rusting submarines...corroding CF-188s...leased mongrel supply ships...museum grade rotary winged aircraft...a long list. Don't get me started. First let's talk about Canada's incorporation into the US military... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Posted February 19, 2021 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Don't get me started. First let's talk about Canada's incorporation into the US military... Won't work...Canada has old radios and data links ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Aristides Posted February 19, 2021 Report Posted February 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Seeing that it's history...yeah, it did. We were the sub hunters...not the subs. Good ones, too. Trudeau Sr killed the Navy off. I used to work with some ex Argus guys. They used to say that if you wanted to find a sub, just look for the column of smoke from the destroyer it just torpedoed. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 19, 2021 Report Posted February 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Aristides said: There is no indication they were to be used in the Arctic. The first ship was supposed to go to the Pacific. Vladivostok is a cold ass place. Enjoy your vacation. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Posted February 19, 2021 USNS Sioux (T-ATF 171) completed the successful tow of the Canadian oiler HMCS Protecteur into port in Hawaii. HMCS Protecteur would never deploy again....engine spaces were toast. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted February 19, 2021 Report Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Won't work...Canada has old radios and data links ! Seriously, that extra layer of command is always a bother. But my fellow Canadians have that hockey attitude. "If the Americans come, I'm headin' fer the forest with my 30.06." Treat you guys like we treat the RCMP, only the Army...heh. What's the bill from the Pentagon? Edited February 19, 2021 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 19, 2021 Report Posted February 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Aristides said: I used to work with some ex Argus guys. They used to say that if you wanted to find a sub, just look for the column of smoke from the destroyer it just torpedoed. WW2...where the big navy comes from...we sank many a U-Boat. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Seriously, that extra layer of command is always a bother. But my fellow Canadians have that hockey attitude. "If the Americans come, I'm headin' fer the forest with my 30.06." The "funny" thing is that more Canadians were embarrassed by the inability to move DART to disaster areas like Indonesia and Haiti than anything military. Harper got the heavy airlift for that and the chronic leasing of resources from Ukraine and others for A-stan. Edited February 19, 2021 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted February 19, 2021 Report Posted February 19, 2021 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: The "funny" thing is that more Canadians were embarrassed by the inability to move DART to disaster areas like Indonesia and Haiti than anything military. Harper got the heavy airlift for that and the chronic leasing of resources from Ukraine and others for A-stan. Thus two Mistral class assault ships + Dr Nick. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 19, 2021 Report Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) Hi everybody. I'm here to fix your... a) Earthquake b) Volcano c) Nuclear accident d) Olympics Edited February 19, 2021 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Posted February 19, 2021 This is why I always liked diesel-electrics...damn nukes had to go to sea..often ! "Harder, Darter, Trigger, Trout...always in and never out." Quote Canada's submarine fleet spent 'zero days' at sea last year: government documents All four of Canada's submarines were tied up last year for repairs and maintenance — news that has the opposition Conservatives questioning whether the Liberal government can keep the second-hand fleet afloat for another two decades. In response to a written question before Parliament, the Department of National Defence said the boats "spent zero days at sea" in 2019, but three of the four would return to service at some point this year. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/submarines-canada-fleet-repairs-canadian-navy-1.5458632 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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