America Under pResident Biden

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

What? You're still worried about the Russians?  And you're making claims about conspiracies? 

The Russians have never mattered much. Not when you compare them to say the Chinese.

If you are seriously desperate for conspiracies involving foreign influence and you want a few that are conspiracy facts that matter, you might try googling Eric Smallwell, Hunter Biden or John Ossoff. Or are you allowed to?

Too bad your progressive socialist fact checker sites won't let you consider some sources or I'd advise you to start here:

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/01/01/perdue-amazing-media-can-ignore-ossoff-china-issue-when-you-have-swalwell-hunter-biden-issues/

I mean, if all you've got now is "The Russians are coming!!! " there are bigger things to worry about. You might start with how your corporate and socialist left indoctrinators are denying you the whole scope of what's happening.

450.607 evidences of illegal voting in Georgia. Give me a better reason for not considering that claim by the President's legal team than you don't like who's telling you about it or admit you've got nothing.

You know, big emoticons don't make you right.

It's almost a sign of desperation.  As is making up a number for illegal voting.  Now, I'm not saying you did that.  Just that you seem to have believed it when somebody else did.  Because if there were any truth to it, a hung over first year law student who has missed most of his classes could have brought a successful case for investigation and eventual dismissal of the votes before the courts.

So like I said, if you have anything with any credibility, let's see it (and send it to Trump's lawyers.  They could really do with something with credibility for once)

Or you could look for some more amusing emoticons.

[WestCanMan]

58 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Wow.  Let me know if you get anything credible.

 

Why, so that you can ignore it and spew some more CNN propaganda?

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Just now, WestCanMan said:

Blah, blah, blah.

You have no shame. It's pathetic.

If you recall, even before the election was over, CNN and the left were certifying it free from fraud for some strange reason. They were lying. It was obviously impossible for them to know that at the time they were saying it.

Then when all of of the questionable results started coming in, along with the reports of fraud and malfeasance, the left claimed to know with absolute certainty that every single claim made on affidavits was false without even having seen them yet. Those were obviously all lies. Again, it was impossible for them to know that what they were saying was true at the time they were saying it.

Now just keep in mind that THE EXACT SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE (you included) who constantly claimed to have evidence that the 2016 election was illegitimate for 4 years, and ended up providing literally zero, is pretending to instantly know that the 2020 election was 100% legitimate despite incontrovertible evidence that it was not. 

Why do leftists suddenly have so much faith in elections?

FYI it's an absolute certainty that at the very least, thousands of votes were cast fraudulently. That number could be in the tens or hundreds of thousands, in the swing states alone. People need to be held accountable. Period.

If you're keeping score, not one single claim that I made here was stated without supporting facts. If you think you can find one then trot it out Sap.

Right now you're a proven liar with some unsubstantiated accusations. Cite something or toodle off kid.

 

At least you didn't use the big emoticons. You did use the silly toodle off comment again though.  Same thing.  No argument.

Everything I said in the post above applies to you too.  There was no fraud.  You have either been conned, or you are trying to con.

If there had been as much fraud as you say, I could have brought a successful lawsuit to have the election overturned, never mind the hung over law student.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

 

Why, so that you can ignore it and spew some more CNN propaganda?

It's tough to say.  It's never happened.

[WestCanMan]

On 12/31/2020 at 4:00 PM, BeaverFever said:

Let me be clear. America has ALWAYS used its role of “world policeman” selectively for its own interests. It has always bee happy to turn a blind eye to dictators and atrocities when convenient.   It is false to say that America gets dragged in to foreign conflicts against its will. Every military engagement and diplomatic conflict the US has been involved in has been a deliberate and conscious choice for US interests.
 

And let’s also be clear that when Americans participate in multinational forces, the US expects to be in command. They are not going to send US forces under the command of foreign generals so they definitely want to be largest force   The US doesn’t want Europe or Canada to have larger militaries that can operate independently from the US. Americans  want allied militaries to be completely dependent on the US so that the US can continue to be “the leader of the free world “. 

Nothing that you said is entirely untrue, but it stands to reason that the Americans would lead the charge when they're the ones with the largest and most sophisticated intelligence gathering capabilities, and they're the only ones who know exactly what weaponry is available to be used on the enemies.  

Why on earth would countries without full knowledge of the situation or of the firepower available and how to best use it be calling the shots? 

Can you imagine how f'd up NATO would be with Trudeau/Sajjan in a leadership role? I would rather just surrender immediately.

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

At least you didn't use the big emoticons. You did use the silly toodle off comment again though.  Same thing.  No argument.

Everything I said in the post above applies to you too.  There was no fraud.  You have either been conned, or you are trying to con.

If there had been as much fraud as you say, I could have brought a successful lawsuit to have the election overturned, never mind the hung over law student.

Your assertion that [insert anything here] didn't happen can almost be considered incontrovertible evidence that it actually did happen.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Your assertion that [insert anything here] didn't happen can almost be considered incontrovertible evidence that it actually did happen.

Yes, that's as good a way as any to shut down debate when you've lost.

[Infidel Dog]

Here's another one bcs won't be allowed to read or watch. It's a video and written explanation of testimony from Data Scientists:

Georgia Election Data Shows 17,650 Votes Switched From Trump to Biden: Data Scientists

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Georgia election data indicates 17,650 votes were switched from President Donald Trump to Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, data scientists testified on Wednesday during a state Senate hearing.

Unfortunately it's from the Epoch Times. As anybody with google will tell you that's Falun Gong money. They are enemies of China. Apparently they object to being chased out of china or turned into body parts for the Chi-Comm elite and their corporatist allies if they stay.

Whatever... The corporate, progressive socialist media and Bejing Biden don't want their gullibles listening to Chi-Comm enemies so by Prog logic that means that Senate hearing and the Data Scientists' testimonies didn't happen.

The rest of us can remember Trump only needs 10,000 votes to flip Georgia though.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Here's another one bcs won't be allowed to read or watch. It's a video and written explanation of testimony from Data Scientists:

Georgia Election Data Shows 17,650 Votes Switched From Trump to Biden: Data Scientists

Unfortunately it's from the Epoch Times. As anybody with google will tell you that's Falun Gong money. They are enemies of China. Apparently they object to being chased out of china or turned into body parts for the Chi-Comm elite and their corporatist allies if they stay.

Whatever... The corporate, progressive socialist media and Bejing Biden don't want their gullibles listening to Chi-Comm enemies so by Prog logic that means that Senate hearing and the Data Scientists' testimonies didn't happen.

The rest of us can remember Trump only needs 10,000 votes to flip Georgia though.

Oooh, no, still useless!

Overall, we rate The Epoch Times Right Biased and Questionable based on the publication of pseudoscience and the promotion of propaganda and conspiracy theories as well as numerous failed fact checks.

 

 

[Infidel Dog]

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Each time a member of the big media reports on someone referring to acts of fraud or even irregularities in the Nov. 3 presidential election, they describe them as "baseless claims" or "unproven."

Such words are included in almost every wire story since election day published by the Associated Press, Reuters, Bloomberg, and others.

Actually, there are many examples of vote fraud that took place during the 2020 election, and serious evidence of voting irregularities relating to the main-in ballots.

Here is what we do know:

 

For anybody who'd like to continue reading to see the mountains of evidence supporting that claim and is allowed to read Newsmax without checking first with their leftist masters through something like the Prog-appoved mediabiasfactcheck site the rest of the article is here:

https://www.newsmax.com/michaeldorstewitz/vote-fraud-baseless-merit-scotus/2021/01/02/id/1003982/

Edited January 2, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

Yeah, yeah bcs we know...

You have a partisan website that says another website can't be considered because it's partisan.

Good boy. I'm sure if your masters knew you existed they'd give you a pat on the head or something.

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

 

For anybody who'd like to continue reading to see the mountains of evidence supporting that claim and is allowed to read Newsmax without checking first with their leftist masters through something like the Prog-appoved mediabiasfactcheck site the rest of the article is here:

https://www.newsmax.com/michaeldorstewitz/vote-fraud-baseless-merit-scotus/2021/01/02/id/1003982/

This must be so disheartening for you...

Overall, we rate Newsmax Right Biased and Questionable based on the promotion of conspiracy theories and pseudoscience as well as numerous failed fact checks.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

Yeah, yeah bcs we know...

You have a partisan website that says another website can't be considered because it's partisan.

Good boy. I'm sure if your masters knew you existed they'd give you a pat on the head or something.

 

All you have to do is come up with a credible source that says there was fraud.  One the courts can believe.  Let's face it, they are predominately right leaning republican courts, so it shouldn't be too hard.

Actually, one would think you'd have it all done and dusted by now.  Another four years so he stops crying.  The jails filled to bursting with corrupt democrat election officials. Melania on the cover of Glamour magazine.

But no.  It appears that nothing any of you say can convince anyone of note.  It must be very frustrating. 

Edited January 3, 2021 by bcsapper

[Guest]

This is how it's done:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/12/cowards-are-destroying-the-gop/617534/

Overall, we rate The Atlantic Left-Center Biased due to editorial positions and High for factual reporting based on excellent sourcing of information and a clean fact check record.

[WestCanMan]

19 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Yes, that's as good a way as any to shut down debate when you've lost.

I'll keep that one in my back pocket then, in case I ever lose a 'debate'. (FYI debates includes facts from both sides, not just from me).

FYI the 'debate' was already over when I cited your actual lies and you just came back with unsubstantiated sandbox insults. 

[Guest]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

I'll keep that one in my back pocket then, in case I ever lose a 'debate'. (FYI debates includes facts from both sides, not just from me).

FYI the 'debate' was already over when I cited your actual lies and you just came back with unsubstantiated sandbox insults. 

No, as has been stated ad nauseum on here, there is absolutely no evidence to back up any of your claims, while there is a preponderence of evidence to show that they are false.  Those are the facts.  I'm sorry.  That's just the way it is.  Only a few delusional conspiracy theorists stll doubt it. (And really, I don't think most of them actually do.  I just think they are too embarrassed to say they have been fooled)

Anyway, you are right about one thing.  There's not much point in continuing when views are so diametrically opposed. 

Go ahead, you can have the last word in this particular argument.

[WestCanMan]

18 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Oooh, no, still useless!

Overall, we rate The Epoch Times Right Biased and Questionable based on the publication of pseudoscience and the promotion of propaganda and conspiracy theories as well as numerous failed fact checks.

LMAO, you quote CNN and they're less objective than NoKo News. 

Right now your accusation of me being a liar is still unsupported by even one single sentence in one single post sappy. Go cite a lie that I posted or change your name to 'lying weasel'. 

[WestCanMan]

24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

LMAO, you quote CNN and they're less objective than NoKo News. 

Right now your accusation of me being a liar is still unsupported by even one single sentence in one single post sappy. Go cite a lie that I posted or change your name to 'lying weasel'. 

crickets....

[Infidel Dog]

17 hours ago, bcsapper said:

This is how it's done:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/12/cowards-are-destroying-the-gop/617534/

Overall, we rate The Atlantic Left-Center Biased due to editorial positions and High for factual reporting based on excellent sourcing of information and a clean fact check record.

It is interesting that the left biased MBFC is welcoming The Atlantic back into the leftist fold. If they were honest they'd be telling you how the Atlantic has been becoming hysterical with it's muck throwing anti-right rhetoric lately.

At one time though, the left claimed The Atlantic was a publication of the right -  kind of like what the Canadian left does with the National Post now.

But OK now that you're allowed to admit the Atlantic are leftists I can't help notice that on the one hand you guys tell us how even the Republicans are on board with your coup but on the other hand you're pulling your hair out and demanding the head of Senator Hawley who has been gathering other Senators to resist the election steal. I imagine what's got the leftists at the Atlantic screaming is Senator Josh has been having success.

BTW Ted Cruz just came out in favor of resisting the steal too. He has ten other senators with him. 

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/nearly-a-dozen-gop-senators-announce-plans-to-back-josh-hawley-in-voting-against-counting/article_0ca10e21-fd10-5f51-83bf-b9d468534dbc.html

Edited January 3, 2021 by Infidel Dog

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3 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

It is interesting that the left biased MBFC is welcoming The Atlantic back into the leftist fold. If they were honest they'd be telling you how the Atlantic has been becoming hysterical with it's ant-trump rhetoric lately.

At one time though, the left claimed The Atlantic was a publication of the right -  kind of like what the Canadian left does with the National Post now.

But OK now that you're allowed to admit the Atlantic are leftists I can't help notice that on the one hand you guys tell us how even the Republicans are on board with your coup but on the other hand you're pulling your hair out and demanding the head of Senator Hawley who has been gathering other Senators to resist the election steal. I imagine what's got the leftists at the Atlantic screaming is Senator Josh has been having success.

BTW Ted Cruz just came out in favor of resisting the steal too. He has ten other senators with him. 

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/nearly-a-dozen-gop-senators-announce-plans-to-back-josh-hawley-in-voting-against-counting/article_0ca10e21-fd10-5f51-83bf-b9d468534dbc.html

Yeah, what was that Trump said about Cruz's wife again?  I forget now.  So does he, I guess.

Anyway, I don't care if the Atlantic, or the National Post for that matter, are left or right.  I only care that they are accurate.  I do understand that 100% is hard to come by, because even the most insignificant bias can worm its way into a coverage, but I try to find outlets that come close.  Even if they don't confirm my own biases.

[Infidel Dog]

34 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Yeah, what was that Trump said about Cruz's wife again? 

I thought you were a fan of argument by slur.

Or is it only cool when you do it?

In any case I'm not sure what that has to do with Ted Cruz demanding a fair election.

[Guest]

Just now, Infidel Dog said:

I thought you were a fan of argument by slur.

Or is it only cool when you do it?

In any case I'm not sure what that has to do with Ted Cruz demanding a fair election.

Only in response.  If Cruz had gone so far as to punch Trump, I would have been okay with it.

Cruz is not demanding a fair election.  That much is done.  Cruz is calculating just how much he has to kiss Trump's arse in order to keep his base.  Sad but true.

[Infidel Dog]

19 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

  Cruz is calculating just how much he has to kiss Trump's arse in order to keep his base.  Sad but true.

Another out the butt, slur claim from the out-the-butters.

After the morning of November 4 a majority of Republicans believed they saw an obvious steal.

70 percent of Republicans don’t think the election was free and fair

Later, Ted Cruz,  their representative  in the Senate calls for  "the creation of an electoral commission modeled on a similar committee assembled in 1877, saying the commission would conduct “an emergency 10-day audit of the election returns in the disputed states.”

If he's a puppet he's a puppet to the requests of his constituents. They want a fair election.

Edited January 3, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Another out the butt, slur claim from the out-the-butters.

After the morning of November 4 a majority of Republicans believed they saw an obvious steal.

70 percent of Republicans don’t think the election was free and fair

Later, Ted Cruz,  their representative  in the Senate calls for  "the creation of an electoral commission modeled on a similar committee assembled in 1877, saying the commission would conduct “an emergency 10-day audit of the election returns in the disputed states.”

If he's a puppet he's a puppet to the requests of his constituents. They want a fair election.

You have to actually believe them.  I certainly don't.  I think they have ulterior motives, and so do most independent commentators I have read on the issue. 

You believe them.  Because it reinforces your delusions.  You really do think that they think there was fraud. 

I find that incomprehensible, to be honest.

[Infidel Dog]

Just now, bcsapper said:

You have to actually believe them.  I certainly don't.  I think they have ulterior motives, and so do most independent commentators I have read on the issue. 

You believe them.  Because it reinforces your delusions.  You really do think that they think there was fraud. 

I find that incomprehensible, to be honest.

Congratulations, you have a different opinion than mine.

It's when you and yours start making claims that your opinions are facts that I start wondering why your butt isn't getting sore.