RUSSIAN COLLUSION-RELATED CRIME UNCOVERED! (Bad News for CNN Sycophants)

[Hodad]

3 hours ago, West said:

No, dummies, there were two charges that you are conflating in that quote. 

1. The question of obstruction

2. The question of collusion which NO AMERICAN was charged. 

If there was nothing illegal than the entire investigation was a SCAM TO BEGIN WITH as we already know therefore by your own admission that collusion isn't a thing, it's not illegal for Trump not to cooperate with a SHAM of an investigation and the question of obstruction is mute. 

Just Hillary WHINING about losing to a political novice hahahahah

Hey, jackass, it's literally right there in the quote. Of course no one was charged with collusion. Not a legal term. Mueller did not think he could get a conspiracy conviction, so no such charges were filed. But that does not mean that there was no evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russian intelligence. Rather, mountains of evidence that they did.

You can tell yourself whatever little fantasies you like about why Manafort was having secret meetings to feed political intelligence to Russian agents. You can make up whatever excuses you like for why the Russians fed Stone advanced details of the hack and leak. But you can't deny those things happened. It's part of the congressional record. It's part of our history, and it will persist long after you Trump cultists and your demi-god are dead and buried. Your pathetic denials aren't going to look any rosier to future generations, who will wonder how anyone could support and defend such behavior.

You a-holes have spun yourselves into a tizzy with mere conspiracy theories about Biden secretly in business with a hostile government, but when there's is black and white evidence of the a Trump campaign working with Russia you can't even be bothered to read it. Again, the level of blind, willful subservience is just pathetic.

And to return to the point, no, Mueller did not say there was no evidence of collusion. So maybe stop saying that.

[West]

15 minutes ago, Hodad said:

But that does not mean that there was no evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russian intelligence. Rather, mountains of evidence that they did.

Mountains of evidence yet no charges. You realize how absolutely moronic you sound? 

[Hodad]

2 minutes ago, West said:

Mountains of evidence yet no charges. You realize how absolutely moronic you sound? 

I'm going to say it very slowly for you, dumbass. Ample evidence of collusion, which is not a legal term. Insufficient evidence to charge criminal conspiracy. 

Manafort went to extraordinary lengths to conduct ongoing secret meetings to share sensitive campaign intelligence with a Russian intelligence operative, who then delivered that same intel to the Kremlin. The same Kremlin that under Putin's orders was waging an election interference campaign against the American people with the aim of getting Trump elected. They did it over and over and over again. All of that is a matter of congressional record. 

You can't honestly say the evidence doesn't exist. You can just say it doesn't matter to you and that such behavior is okay.

 

[West]

29 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Ample evidence of collusion, which is not a legal term.

But that's what was investigated. 

Are you saying they made up a non crime to investigate Donnie over? Thanks for FINALLY admitting the investigation was a sham

30 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Manafort went to extraordinary lengths to conduct ongoing secret meetings to share sensitive campaign intelligence with a Russian intelligence operative, who then delivered that same intel to the Kremlin.

Then why wasn't he charged for something other than tax evasion?

[West]

30 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You can't honestly say the evidence doesn't exist.

Why not? No American was charged in relation for anything to do with Russia. 

Either they were chasing non crimes or there was no evidence that such crimes existed. Either way it was a fraud on the American public and was an attempt to stall the agenda of a DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT.AKA treason or another high crime 

[Hodad]

13 minutes ago, West said:

1. But that's what was investigated. 

Are you saying they made up a non crime to investigate Donnie over? Thanks for FINALLY admitting the investigation was a sham

2. Then why wasn't he charged for something other than tax evasion?

1. No, it's not. Read the Mueller quote.

2. When you say "Then why..." It doesn't change the facts on record. The facts remain.

Another fact is that Manafort was convicted of a lot more than tax evasion.

As for why Mueller didn't think he could prove criminal conspiracy beyond a reasonable doubt, it's not an easy thing to do, particularly when Manafort wouldn't confess and, for some reason, Russian Intelligence agents are beyond subpoena power.

Are you aware that Manafort signed a plea deal to cooperate with Mueller's investigation? Then Trumpworld started talking openly about the possibility of pardoning Manafort and, like magic, Manafort refused to cooperate anymore. In simpler terms, he agreed to flip and then Trump bought his silence with a pardon.

[West]

21 minutes ago, Hodad said:

1. No, it's not. Read the Mueller quote.

2. When you say "Then why..." It doesn't change the facts on record. The facts remain.

Another fact is that Manafort was convicted of a lot more than tax evasion.

As for why Mueller didn't think he could prove criminal conspiracy beyond a reasonable doubt, it's not an easy thing to do, particularly when Manafort wouldn't confess and, for some reason, Russian Intelligence agents are beyond subpoena power.

Are you aware that Manafort signed a plea deal to cooperate with Mueller's investigation? Then Trumpworld started talking openly about the possibility of pardoning Manafort and, like magic, Manafort refused to cooperate anymore. In simpler terms, he agreed to flip and then Trump bought his silence with a pardon.

You haven't answered my question. 

 

The FBI was investigating NON CRIMES for no other reason than to delay/impede/interfere in the WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE and Trump's ability to implement his agenda as was voted on by the American public. This was because Hillary CRIED about losing an election. Biggest FRAUD on the American public of all time. 

They hung low level Trump guys on an obscure law from the 1800s. And you think this investigation had any legitimacy? Wow. Dumb

Edited November 12, 2023 by West

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, Hodad said:

Hey, jackass, it's literally right there in the quote. Of course no one was charged with collusion.

Hey stupid - then the statement there was no collusion is correct     You kind of suck at this.

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, Hodad said:

I'm going to say it very slowly for you, dumbass. Ample evidence of collusion, which is not a legal term.

ROFLMAO ... . You seeing this @West???

He literally just said (and frequently repoets)   "There is  "AMPLE EVIDENCE OF THIS THING THAT DOESN"T EXIST"  

Let that sink in - that's how far gone these people are.  They can literally say that in the same sentance unironically and believe they're making a convincing argument.

"Ghosts don't exists which is why there's ample evidence of them".

"The evidence is overwhelming for Bigfoot, which doesn't exist'.

This guy is going to go on to prove that black = white and get himself killed at a zebra crossing

[Hodad]

7 hours ago, West said:

You haven't answered my question. 

 

The FBI was investigating NON CRIMES for no other reason than to delay/impede/interfere in the WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE and Trump's ability to implement his agenda as was voted on by the American public. This was because Hillary CRIED about losing an election. Biggest FRAUD on the American public of all time. 

They hung low level Trump guys on an obscure law from the 1800s. And you think this investigation had any legitimacy? Wow. Dumb

It's not a real question. It's a false premise.

And the investigation started long before Clinton lost. That was not the impetus. The Trump campaign's shady connections to Russia drew the attention of the intelligence community well before the election. Here's a timeline. Click it and read it to learn.

[West]

9 minutes ago, Hodad said:

It's not a real question. It's a false premise.

And the investigation started long before Clinton lost. That was not the impetus. The Trump campaign's shady connections to Russia drew the attention of the intelligence community well before the election. Here's a timeline. Click it and read it to learn.

No it's not. You are engaging in revisionist history here. 

The mandate the Mueller team had was to investigate collusion with the Russians. You are ADMITTING collusion isn't a crime THEREFORE NO INVESTIGATION SHOULD'VE HAPPENED TO BEGIN WITH. 

Instead they set perjury traps and combed through taxes to ensure the correct obscure forms from a law very seldom ever discussed were filled out. 

Very definition of a Nazi show trial

[Hodad]

14 minutes ago, West said:

No it's not. You are engaging in revisionist history here. 

1. The mandate the Mueller team had was to investigate collusion with the Russians. You are ADMITTING collusion isn't a crime THEREFORE NO INVESTIGATION SHOULD'VE HAPPENED TO BEGIN WITH. 

Instead they set perjury traps and combed through taxes to ensure the correct obscure forms from a law very seldom ever discussed were filled out. 

Very definition of a Nazi show trial

1. No, that was not the mandate. I don't know what garbage opinion peddler you're parroting, but it's clear you don't have any familiarity with the facts.

The DOJ announcement:

"Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein today announced the appointment of former Department of Justice official and FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III to serve as Special Counsel to oversee the previously-confirmed FBI investigation of Russian government efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election and related matters."

You can read the order for yourself. It's just one page long. 

Again, you're trying to debate based upon a false premise. 

[West]

29 minutes ago, Hodad said:

1. No, that was not the mandate. I don't know what garbage opinion peddler you're parroting, but it's clear you don't have any familiarity with the facts.

The DOJ announcement:

"Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein today announced the appointment of former Department of Justice official and FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III to serve as Special Counsel to oversee the previously-confirmed FBI investigation of Russian government efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election and related matters."

You can read the order for yourself. It's just one page long. 

Again, you're trying to debate based upon a false premise. 

 

Their role was to look into Hillary's CONSPIRACY THEORIES of Russian collusion which were NOT crimes as you have already said. They filled out FISA warrants using falsified information to SPY on a rival campaign, then used false information from a FOREIGN SPY fed by those connected to the KREMLIN to stall the implementation of an agenda ratified through an ELECTION. 

They went through EVERY aspect of Trump and those close to hims lives and managed to find some forms that were incorrectly filled out or not filled. They then used an obscure law to cover up and justify SPYING on a presidential candidate and using the FBI to abuse their powers to investigate a political candidate even tho you ADMIT NO CRIME EXISTED. They harassed a sitting president AND HIS KIDS over a DELUSIONAL CONSPIRACY THEORY that wasn't a crime to begin with

The fact that you are ok with this type of bullshit shows that you are not to be taken seriously. YOU WOULD SIDE WITH ADOLF HITLER AND THEIR BROKEN GLASS POLICY AND GESTAPO AS WELL

Edited November 12, 2023 by West

[Hodad]

52 minutes ago, West said:

Their role was to look into Hillary's CONSPIRACY THEORIES of Russian collusion which were NOT crimes as you have already said. They filled out FISA warrants using falsified information to SPY on a rival campaign, then used false information from a FOREIGN SPY fed by those connected to the KREMLIN to stall the implementation of an agenda ratified through an ELECTION. 

They went through EVERY aspect of Trump and those close to hims lives and managed to find some forms that were incorrectly filled out or not filled. They then used an obscure law to cover up and justify SPYING on a presidential candidate and using the FBI to abuse their powers to investigate a political candidate even tho you ADMIT NO CRIME EXISTED. They harassed a sitting president AND HIS KIDS over a DELUSIONAL CONSPIRACY THEORY that wasn't a crime to begin with

The fact that you are ok with this type of bullshit shows that you are not to be taken seriously. YOU WOULD SIDE WITH ADOLF HITLER AND THEIR BROKEN GLASS POLICY AND GESTAPO AS WELL

It's hard to fully capture how uninformed you are, and how committed you are to staying that way. 

Mueller's remit was exactly what Rosenstein said it was. That's the way the legal system works.

I provided you an authoritative quote from an original source. You, in return, are simply making shit up. 

Collusion is not a term in criminal law. It's casual language. Hence it was not Mueller's mission. If you want to know what he was asked to investigate by Trump's DOJ, read the order. Again, it's just a single page. You can do it. 

And your characterization of Manafort's 18 felony charges as trivial  technicalities is laughable. He was convicted but a jury on multiple charges, lost tens of millions of dollars and was sentenced to serious prison time. Because he was a fraudster like his big orange boss.

Edited November 12, 2023 by Hodad

[West]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

It's hard to fully capture how uninformed you are, and how committed you are to staying that way. 

Mueller's remit was exactly what Rosenstein said it was. That's the way the legal system works.

I provided you an authoritative quote from an original source. You, in return, are simply making shit up. 

Collusion is not a term in criminal law. It's casual language. Hence it was not Mueller's mission. If you want to know what he was asked to investigate by Trump's DOJ, read the order. Again, it's just a single page. You can do it. 

And your characterization of Manafort's 18 felony charges as trivial  technicalities is laughable. He was convicted but a jury on multiple charges, lost tens of millions of dollars and was sentenced to serious prison time. Because he was a fraudster like his big orange boss.

They were trivial technicalities and NONE were related to Russia collision. You are an fing liar and its sad. Just cause you bought into hillarys delusions and can't come to grips with the fact that people don't support your perverted world view lol. 

And I'm NOT the one who claimed COLLUSION. This was a DELUSIONAL CONSPIRACY THEORY that was the predicate for an investigation. As you point out and I agree with you COLLUSION ISNT A CRIME. But what you fail to recognize is that by using this nonsense as a predicate, the FBI acted OUTSIDE THE LAW and used it as a FISHING EXPEDITION against a sitting president. They then found obscure laws to go after his associates. NO MATTER HOW YOU FD UP PEOPLE TRY TO SPIN IT THIS ABUSE OF POWER IS THE REAL ISSUE HERE. It was an ILLEGITIMATE PREMISE to start an investigation

The entire Mueller investigation was just a fishing expedition used to interfere with the legitimate policy mandate of a DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT and was more of a threat to democracy than anything Donnie was falsely accused of

Edited November 12, 2023 by West

[Hodad]

7 minutes ago, West said:

They were trivial technicalities and NONE were related to Russia collision. You are an fing liar and its sad. Just cause you bought into hillarys delusions and can't come to grips with the fact that people don't support your perverted world view lol. 

And I'm NOT the one who claimed COLLUSION. This was a DELUSIONAL CONSPIRACY THEORY that was the predicate for an investigation. As you point out and I agree with you COLLUSION ISNT A CRIME. But what you fail to recognize is that by using this nonsense as a predicate, the FBI acted OUTSIDE THE LAW and used it as a FISHING EXPEDITION against a sitting president. They then found obscure laws to go after his associates. NO MATTER HOW YOU FD UP PEOPLE TRY TO SPIN IT THIS ABUSE OF POWER IS THE REAL ISSUE HERE. 

The entire Mueller investigation was just a fishing expedition used to interfere with the legitimate policy mandate of a DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT and was more of a threat to democracy than anything Donnie was falsely accused of

Okay, I'm happy to take this as your final refusal to read any primary sources or to educate yourself on the subject in any way. You choose ignorance and political spin. That's fine. You don't get to vote here anyway, so your ignorance is someone else's problem. ?

[West]

28 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Okay, I'm happy to take this as your final refusal to read any primary sources or to educate yourself on the subject in any way. You choose ignorance and political spin. That's fine. You don't get to vote here anyway, so your ignorance is someone else's problem. ?

Bud I've listened to all the evidence and if you can't acknowledge the predicate for this investigation was a sham you don't deserve to vote. People like YOU are why your country is in shambles

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, West said:

Bud I've listened to all the evidence and if you can't acknowledge the predicate for this investigation was a sham you don't deserve to vote. People like YOU are why your country is in shambles

I don't know what your mean when you say you've "listened to all the evidence." Most likely you mean you listened to some jackass like Tucker Carlson spin a web of lies. I guarantee that you haven't read the Senate Intelligence committee report, despite the fact that it's been linked here dozens of times. Hundreds of pages of secret meetings and intelligence exchanges etc. It's quite damning. Even someone like you couldn't hand wave it away.

Only liars and traitors would say that a campaign seeking help from a hostile foreign government is insufficient justification for an investigation.

Yes, they knew some of what Trumpco was up to even before the Mueller investigation. That why even Trump's DOJ felt the investigation was necessary. There's some shit so bad even conscientious Republicans won't let it slide. Even the Durham report concluded that investigation was warranted. ?

[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, Hodad said:

I don't know what your mean when you say you've "listened to all the evidence."

Yeah, but in fairness you're not very bright.

[West]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

I don't know what your mean when you say you've "listened to all the evidence." Most likely you mean you listened to some jackass like Tucker Carlson spin a web of lies. I guarantee that you haven't read the Senate Intelligence committee report, despite the fact that it's been linked here dozens of times. Hundreds of pages of secret meetings and intelligence exchanges etc. It's quite damning. Even someone like you couldn't hand wave it away.

Only liars and traitors would say that a campaign seeking help from a hostile foreign government is insufficient justification for an investigation.

Yes, they knew some of what Trumpco was up to even before the Mueller investigation. That why even Trump's DOJ felt the investigation was necessary. There's some shit so bad even conscientious Republicans won't let it slide. Even the Durham report concluded that investigation was warranted. ?

"Trump's doj" lol.. they were holdover from the Obama administration. 

Say what you want about Fox, their legal experts said all along this was nonsense and they turned out to be correct. 

[Hodad]

12 hours ago, West said:

"Trump's doj" lol.. they were holdover from the Obama administration. 

Say what you want about Fox, their legal experts said all along this was nonsense and they turned out to be correct. 

Why do you even bother lying about things that you know you'll be easily called out?

Sessions= Trump nomination

Rosenstein= Trump nomination

Wray= Trump appointee 

 

And of course Fox said that. They are the PR wing of the Republican party, not a news organization. They just spent several years lying to your face about election fraud and had to pay $800 million for it. Their entire business model is telling their foolish followers what they want to hear. 

Fortunately the congressional record exists and the history will be written. Read the report or don't. I can't force you to learn.

Edited November 13, 2023 by Hodad

[robosmith]

On 11/11/2023 at 10:38 AM, CdnFox said:

Not really.  A few russians  - but the vast majority of charges outside of that were actually nothing to do with russian collusion.'

The fbi has a trick and they've been caught discussing it  - where they interrogate someone and maeuver them into saying something that's not true.  It doesn't have to be a crime or anything. Then - they charge that person for lying under oath to the fbi.

For example:

On Sept. 7, George Papadopoulos, a former campaign adviser to Trump, was sentenced to 14 days in prison. He had pleaded guilty in October to lying to FBI agents about the timing and significance of his contacts, including a professor who told him the Russians had “dirt” on Trump’s Democratic presidential rival, Hillary Clinton.  Now - nothing about that meeting was illegal.  But - they tricked him into "lying" - and that's what he was charged with.

Flynn was the same. No actual crime but "lying to fbi"

Or they would catch them on things completely unrelated to russian influence.  Tax evasion. Campaign finance violations.

There really wasn't anyone who was close to trump that was actually convicted of anything to do with russian interference itself.

Sorry - no american convictions related to russian interference.  Just some russians.

Lying to the FBI is a crime no matter how much YOU want to make excuses for it. Duh

[robosmith]

21 hours ago, West said:

Why not? No American was charged in relation for anything to do with Russia. 

Either they were chasing non crimes or there was no evidence that such crimes existed. Either way it was a fraud on the American public and was an attempt to stall the agenda of a DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT.AKA treason or another high crime 

Strange that Trump committed CRIMES of OBSTRUCTION of JUSTICE to try to STOP the investigation when there were NO CRIMES to OBSTRUCT.

The fact is, getting foreign campaign aid is a crime. Fortunately for Trump he was smart enough to GUT the FEC after taking office so they couldn't charge him with ILLEGAL foreign campaign contributions.

[robosmith]

11 hours ago, West said:

Their role was to look into Hillary's CONSPIRACY THEORIES of Russian collusion which were NOT crimes as you have already said. They filled out FISA warrants using falsified information to SPY on a rival campaign, then used false information from a FOREIGN SPY fed by those connected to the KREMLIN to stall the implementation of an agenda ratified through an ELECTION. 

They went through EVERY aspect of Trump and those close to hims lives and managed to find some forms that were incorrectly filled out or not filled. They then used an obscure law to cover up and justify SPYING on a presidential candidate and using the FBI to abuse their powers to investigate a political candidate even tho you ADMIT NO CRIME EXISTED. They harassed a sitting president AND HIS KIDS over a DELUSIONAL CONSPIRACY THEORY that wasn't a crime to begin with

The fact that you are ok with this type of bullshit shows that you are not to be taken seriously. YOU WOULD SIDE WITH ADOLF HITLER AND THEIR BROKEN GLASS POLICY AND GESTAPO AS WELL

Hillary had NO AUTHORITY to order the FBI to investigate ANYTHING. Duh

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, Hodad said:

I don't know what your mean when you say you've "listened to all the evidence." Most likely you mean you listened to some jackass like Tucker Carlson spin a web of lies. I guarantee that you haven't read the Senate Intelligence committee report, despite the fact that it's been linked here dozens of times. Hundreds of pages of secret meetings and intelligence exchanges etc. It's quite damning. Even someone like you couldn't hand wave it away.

Only liars and traitors would say that a campaign seeking help from a hostile foreign government is insufficient justification for an investigation.

Yes, they knew some of what Trumpco was up to even before the Mueller investigation. That why even Trump's DOJ felt the investigation was necessary. There's some shit so bad even conscientious Republicans won't let it slide. Even the Durham report concluded that investigation was warranted. ?

Not to mention that the BOLDED is blatantly ILLEGAL violation of campaign finance laws.