Canada is faced with deciding if it's time to end relations with evil China/BRICs?

[Zeitgeist]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

There have been major realignments in the past for many different crises, but the basics did not change.   China is not going to go away or be undermined by changing relationships.   Some would argue that China will be in a better position post COVID19 than many other nations, and it already was far more "resilient".

Frankly, China is not responsible for the state of western nations' pandemic preparedness.   That is the main lesson to be learned.

 

 

 

 

Right, China is showing its strength right now.  

[Tdot]

On April 12, 2020 at 2:19 PM, Zeitgeist said:

Right, China is showing its strength right now.  

Oh! Do you mean such as how many private entities, this week, have filed lawsuits against the China GOVT over the CoronaVirus?

Places like Germany, USA, etc... feature private and GOVT entities, which have filed libel suits in court, this week.

[Zeitgeist]

4 hours ago, Tdot said:

Oh! Do you mean such as how many private entities, this week, have filed lawsuits against the China GOVT over the CoronaVirus?

Places like Germany, USA, etc... feature private and GOVT entities, which have filed libel suits in court, this week.

China has all sorts of problems and it’s a less free country.  They do seem better equipped than some western democracies to contain the virus and they’re a major supplier of PPE and medical supplies.  We need to make sure we never let ourselves become so porous to foreign  transmittable diseases and so dependent on crucial supplies.  Some things are worth paying a higher financial cost.  

Edited April 20, 2020 by Zeitgeist

[Tdot]

19 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

China has all sorts of problems and it’s a less free country.  They do seem better equipped than some western democracies to contain the virus and they’re a major supplier of PPE and medical supplies.  We need to make sure we never let ourselves become so porous to foreign  transmittable diseases and so dependent on crucial supplies.  Some things are worth paying a higher financial cost.  

Do you feel that becoming porous to foreign transmittable diseases, is independent of, a foreign nation deliberately putting North America at risk with a pandemic?

[Moonlight Graham]

On 4/12/2020 at 1:17 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

Then Canada will just have to keep "pissing" in the wind.   If international institutions cannot stand without American backing, then they are too weak to begin with.   I understand that Canada has no other cards to play, but that is true for most nations on this planet.    The U.S. has already chosen its approach to China and Canada will have to figure out its own as well.

Countries are more powerful if they band together.  That's why ie: NATO and OPEC exist.  The US can go on it's own if it wants and if it has to, but when they have it often hasn't turned out well.  The West should figure out a united response.

Canada's downfall is its "niceness" and naivety, US's downfall is its arrogance.  Both current PM and POTUS represent that perfectly.

[bush_cheney2004]

27 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Countries are more powerful if they band together.  That's why ie: NATO and OPEC exist.  The US can go on it's own if it wants and if it has to, but when they have it often hasn't turned out well.  The West should figure out a united response.

 

Sure....while the West is doing that, the U.S. should figure out how not to get stuck with most of the bill.

Europe is incapable of defending itself, but it has a larger population than the U.S.  NATO is such a good deal...for Europe.

 

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Canada's downfall is its "niceness" and naivety, US's downfall is its arrogance.  Both current PM and POTUS represent that perfectly.

 

What else does Canada have to offer besides smug naivete when confronting China...more than the bearded PM's "rule of law".

 

 

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Sure....while the West is doing that, the U.S. should figure out how not to get stuck with most of the bill.

Europe is incapable of defending itself, but it has a larger population than the U.S.  NATO is such a good deal...for Europe.

 

 

What else does Canada have to offer besides smug naivete when confronting China...more than the bearded PM's "rule of law".

 

 

China and our political responses to her, while important, are largely a distraction when it comes to handling this public health crisis, which should be entirely science-based and follow best practices.  Canada may not be able to do what South Korea has done because we weren’t as prepared, but based on our current trajectory, Germany seems like a good model we can realistically follow.  

Edited April 21, 2020 by Zeitgeist

[Moonlight Graham]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

What else does Canada have to offer besides smug naivete when confronting China...more than the bearded PM's "rule of law".

Meng Wanzhou and a bunch of trade basically.