Guest Posted February 2, 2020 Report Posted February 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: Did you know half a million people will die worldwide from this year's flu pandemic? Why aren't you speaking out against that? And in China its spleak not spreak. BTW did you get your vaccine yet? I thought so. I bet you drive your car to climate change rallies too when you deign to climb down off your fence. I was reading an article on the current virus recently and I noted the the Swine Flu epidemic 10 years ago killed between 100000 and 500000 people depending on who you ask. I don't remember this type of reaction to that virus at any point during the event. And so far it's ~300 fatalities. I don't really see why this one took off in the way it did. Quote
Argus Posted February 2, 2020 Report Posted February 2, 2020 16 minutes ago, bcsapper said: Are we talking about trying not to give it, or trying not to get it? Because I'm pretty sure all those mask wearers are trying not to get it. I wouldn't wear one. What I said was that wearing the mask will make it less likely for you to spread it. Thus there is some value in it. I would agree that anything short of the N95 masks provide little protection from getting it. I, of course, have the N95 masks (bought some time ago for just in case) So there. And no, I'm not taking them out of the box. Not needed at this time any more than the freeze dried food or the bottled water down in my basement. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 2, 2020 Report Posted February 2, 2020 1 minute ago, bcsapper said: I was reading an article on the current virus recently and I noted the the Swine Flu epidemic 10 years ago killed between 100000 and 500000 people depending on who you ask. I don't remember this type of reaction to that virus at any point during the event. And so far it's ~300 fatalities. I don't really see why this one took off in the way it did. 24hr news cycle and the internet. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted February 2, 2020 Report Posted February 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, bcsapper said: I was reading an article on the current virus recently and I noted the the Swine Flu epidemic 10 years ago killed between 100000 and 500000 people depending on who you ask. I don't remember this type of reaction to that virus at any point during the event. And so far it's ~300 fatalities. I don't really see why this one took off in the way it did. It's called epidemic psychology. Quote We should take seriously the health risk posed by the coronavirus. We should be equally alert to the way misguided responses can generate plagues of fear, panic, suspicion and stigma. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted February 2, 2020 Report Posted February 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, Argus said: And no, I'm not taking them out of the box. Not needed at this time any more than the freeze dried food or the bottled water down in my basement. Yes but I bet you took your AR15 with bump stock out of it's box. Just in case. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Guest Posted February 2, 2020 Report Posted February 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: Yes but I bet you took your AR15 with bump stock out of it's box. Just in case. That doesn't work against viruses either... Quote
eyeball Posted February 2, 2020 Report Posted February 2, 2020 1 minute ago, bcsapper said: That doesn't work against viruses either... Probably make looters think twice about killing you for your stash of masks. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Moonlight Graham Posted February 2, 2020 Report Posted February 2, 2020 5 hours ago, Rue said: No one is going to die unless its from laughing at him. Relax MG. No one is going to die? If he allows people with coronavirus symptoms into Canada, yes people will die. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Marocc Posted February 2, 2020 Report Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) 22 hours ago, ProudConservative said: I would like to start of by saying, I'll start by saying I am doubtful of much of the information you have shared and notice that you have provided zero evidence to prove them correct. 22 hours ago, ProudConservative said: if a Chinese person is coughing, it's because of the common cold, and it's not a threat to people's lives or safety Yes, just because someone looks Chinese or, better yet, Asian, doesn't mean they have the flu you are worried about. 22 hours ago, ProudConservative said: telling Canadians to go to Chinese restaurants Why not? For one to avoid them is mostly illogical unless one happens to know the chef recently returned from China. Chances are, the people working in a Chinese restaurant in Canada have not been to China recently. 22 hours ago, ProudConservative said: ... and wearing masks spreads fear... and panic.. It does. 22 hours ago, ProudConservative said: saying that Masks don't offer "Full Protection" so they're not necessary. Exactly so. Many professionals go so far as to say they are useless. Why would you want to wear something that the doctor tells you will not protect you? I'm sure majority of Canadians will be much safer from the virus by follow basic hygienic recommendations — at the moment they do not. 22 hours ago, ProudConservative said: What Justin should be doing. is forcing all schools and businesses to send sick people home over the next 30 days, until we figure out how serious this virus is going to be. That's a bad idea. That's why no one is doing it. better leave these things to the professionals. Edited February 2, 2020 by Marocc Quote
Marocc Posted February 2, 2020 Report Posted February 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: If he allows people with coronavirus symptoms into Canada, yes people will die. You simply can't know that. Quote
eyeball Posted February 2, 2020 Report Posted February 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Moonlight Graham said: No one is going to die? If he allows people with coronavirus symptoms into Canada, yes people will die. What if he allows people with flu symptoms when we know full well around 3500 Canadians are going to die from that? Trudeau should be impeached. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Moonlight Graham Posted February 2, 2020 Report Posted February 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Marocc said: You simply can't know that. If he doesn't set up screenings at major airports because he doesn't want to offend people, he's risking lives and may cause deaths. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Moonlight Graham Posted February 2, 2020 Report Posted February 2, 2020 1 minute ago, eyeball said: What if he allows people with flu symptoms when we know full well around 3500 Canadians are going to die from that? Trudeau should be impeached. Really? That's your defense? Go check the fatality rate of coronavirus vs the flu. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
eyeball Posted February 2, 2020 Report Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: Really? That's your defense? Go check the fatality rate of coronavirus vs the flu. It's about 2% for Coronovirus vs .01% for normal flu pandemics. Flu mortality rates however can reach 20% and one just never knows for sure when the next really deadly flu will emerge. So where's the panic over that? I mean, think about how much effort we take to prevent the infinitesimally small chance of being killed by a terrorist. Perspectives are just all over tha map. Edited February 2, 2020 by eyeball 2 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted February 2, 2020 Report Posted February 2, 2020 Of course we should treat Coronovirus seriously but just without all the panic. 2 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted February 2, 2020 Report Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Yes but I bet you took your AR15 with bump stock out of it's box. Just in case. Got no AR15, sorry. Just have elementary emergency supplies in the basement. Something wrong with that? Edited February 2, 2020 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 2, 2020 Report Posted February 2, 2020 23 minutes ago, eyeball said: It's about 2% for Coronovirus vs .01% for normal flu pandemics. Flu mortality rates however can reach 20% and one just never knows for sure when the next really deadly flu will emerge. So where's the panic over that? It only reached 20% once, a hundred years ago. And if we had a flu virus that was showing anything remotely like the same sorts of mortality rates you better believe there'd be panic. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Moonlight Graham Posted February 2, 2020 Report Posted February 2, 2020 48 minutes ago, eyeball said: Of course we should treat Coronovirus seriously but just without all the panic. I never said to panic. I said we should screen people arriving from China at major airports. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Guest Posted February 2, 2020 Report Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) The Swine Flu from a decade ago had a mortality rate of 0.02%, but it infected 20% of the world's population. (I looked it up) So mortality rate is an issue, but only when considered with infection rate. If the Coronavirus maintains the same mortality rate, but reaches the infection rate of the Swine Flu, that's not going to be pretty. Edited February 3, 2020 by bcsapper Quote
Argus Posted February 3, 2020 Report Posted February 3, 2020 Gotta hand it to Bernier. He's unique on the Canadian political scene! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Marocc Posted February 3, 2020 Report Posted February 3, 2020 6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: If he doesn't set up screenings at major airports because he doesn't want to offend people, he's risking lives and may cause deaths. There's no effective method of screening. Quote
Marocc Posted February 3, 2020 Report Posted February 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Argus said: He's unique on the Canadian political scene! Is he the only bully there? Quote
Marocc Posted February 3, 2020 Report Posted February 3, 2020 6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Go check the fatality rate of coronavirus vs the flu. We don't know the actual fatality rate. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted February 3, 2020 Report Posted February 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Marocc said: We don't know the actual fatality rate. Yes we do. You'd know it if you bothered to look it up Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Marocc Posted February 3, 2020 Report Posted February 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: Yes we do. The actual fatality rate cannot be known when we a) do not know how many people have or have had the virus and b) when there are unresolved cases. Quote
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