Left Sets Examples For Terrorists

[Shady]

al-Qaida No. 2: U.S. 'Ran' From Vietnam

In a letter to his top deputy in Iraq, al-Qaida's No. 2 leader said the United States "ran and left their agents" in Vietnam and the jihadists must have a plan ready to fill the void if the Americans suddenly leave Iraq.

"Things may develop faster than we imagine," Ayman al-Zawahri wrote in a letter to his top deputy in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. "The aftermath of the collapse of American power in Vietnam _ and how they ran and left their agents _ is noteworthy. ... We must be ready starting now."

The letter laid out his long-term plan: expel the Americans from Iraq, establish an Islamic authority and take the war to Iraq's secular neighbors, including Lebanon, Jordan and Syria.

The final stage, al-Zawahri wrote, would be a clash with Israel, which he said was established to challenge "any new Islamic entity."

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You hear that stupid Cindy Sheehan? Here it is again!

The letter laid out his long-term plan: expel the Americans from Iraq, establish an Islamic authority and take the war to Iraq's secular neighbors, including Lebanon, Jordan and Syria.

The final stage, al-Zawahri wrote, would be a clash with Israel, which he said was established to challenge "any new Islamic entity."

Stop supporting the terrorists and start supporting democracy, freedom, and especially the troops! Stop being clouded by your hatred of President Bush!

[Shakeyhands]

That just makes me think that the letter is fake. Waaay too convienent.

[Shady]

That just makes me think that the letter is fake. Waaay too convienent

You mean like when Clinton cut and run outta Mogidshu which Osama Bin Laden referenced as one of the examples of America being a "paper tiger'? It's the Lefties that make it waaay too convenient for the terrorists. Shame on all of you!

[newbie]

Stop supporting the terrorists and start supporting democracy, freedom, and especially the troops!  Stop being clouded by your hatred of President Bush!

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Thanks for reminding those of us who oppose this ridiculous war that we're with the terrorists. Bush drew that line, and I must say it was probably the most stupid comment he has made yet. It isn't Bush hating either. It's hating his absolute incompetence.

[Black Dog]

he letter laid out his long-term plan: expel the Americans from Iraq, establish an Islamic authority and take the war to Iraq's secular neighbors, including Lebanon, Jordan and Syria.

The final stage, al-Zawahri wrote, would be a clash with Israel, which he said was established to challenge "any new Islamic entity."

My long term plan is to retire by age 35. I doubt that I'll have the means to do so, just as I doubt Zarqawi will have the means to accomplish his goal.

Reallyu, there's nothing here that the bin Ladenites (whose cause al-Zarqawi seems to have hitched his wagon to) haven't been saying before.

Stop supporting the terrorists and start supporting democracy, freedom, and especially the troops! Stop being clouded by your hatred of President Bush

Maybe you should stop mouthing empty, ignorant rhetoric and start suportting the troops by getting them out of a hopeless situation where there lives are at risk. Stop helping the terrorists by providing them with recruitment tools and targets.

For the upteenth time, oppossition to Bush, the war on Iraq, the conduct of the war on terror etc etc does not equal support for terrorism, at least in the real world.

[Shakeyhands]

I find it really odd that even Al Qaeda is labeling the letter as a fake now... Odd how more than just I though it too convienent. No?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,172180,00.html

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/13/...tter/index.html

I assume its the smae article as it is AP but should anyone think it biased... or is the AP biased too?

[Argus]

That just makes me think that the letter is fake. Waaay too convienent

You mean like when Clinton cut and run outta Mogidshu which Osama Bin Laden referenced as one of the examples of America being a "paper tiger'? It's the Lefties that make it waaay too convenient for the terrorists. Shame on all of you!

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To be fair, there was enormous pressure from top Republicans as well as Democrats to get out of Somalia, where no US interests were at stake.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Shakeyhands,

I assume its the smae article as it is AP but should anyone think it biased... or is the AP biased too?

Well, to ask Montgomery Burns about it, he has stated that AP is just another purveyor of left-wing propaganda.

Argus,

To be fair, there was enormous pressure from top Republicans as well as Democrats to get out of Somalia, where no US interests were at stake

I would fully expect that Clinton was 'advised' that Somalia was a lose-lose situation. Clinton found out pretty quick upon being elected that the president doesn't run the country with impunity (his promise to introduce universal health care, for example).

Neither at the time was there the impetus for invasion (and as events proved, costly loss of life), for the purposes (ostensibly)of 'democratic nation building'.

[crazymf]

Dear Shakeyhands,

I assume its the smae article as it is AP but should anyone think it biased... or is the AP biased too?

Well, to ask Montgomery Burns about it, he has stated that AP is just another purveyor of left-wing propaganda.

Argus,

To be fair, there was enormous pressure from top Republicans as well as Democrats to get out of Somalia, where no US interests were at stake

I would fully expect that Clinton was 'advised' that Somalia was a lose-lose situation. Clinton found out pretty quick upon being elected that the president doesn't run the country with impunity (his promise to introduce universal health care, for example).

Neither at the time was there the impetus for invasion (and as events proved, costly loss of life), for the purposes (ostensibly)of 'democratic nation building'.

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....when there's no payback available, like oil.

[Black Dog]

Juan Cole, has some questions about the letter, based on some interesting elements.

The very first element of the letter is the blessing on the Prophet. It says:

al-salah wa al-salam `ala rasuli'llahi wa a-lihi wa suhubihi . . .

(peace and blessings be upon the Messenger of God and his family and his companions . . .)

the phrase "salla Allahu `alayhi wa alihi wa sallam" (the blessings and peace of God be upon him and his family) is a Shiite form of the salutation, because of the emphasis of the Shiites on the House or descendants of the Prophet. Because of the cultural influence of Shiism in South Asia, one does find that form of the salutation in Pakistan and India among Sunni Muslims.

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do not believe that an Egyptian like al-Zawahiri would use this phraseology at all. But he certainly would not use it to open a letter to a Salafi. Sunni hardliners deeply object to what they see as Shiite idolatry of the imams or descendants of the Prophet Muhammad, for whom they made shrines such as Ali's at Najaf and Husayn's at Karbala. In fact, hard line Wahhabis from Saudi Arabia attacked and sacked Karbala in 1803.

Adding to the salutation "the peace and blessings of God be upon him [Muhammad]" the phrase "and his family" would be an insult to Zarqawi and to the hardline Sunnis in Iraq.

Later he refers to Husain, the grandson of the Prophet Muhammad, as al-Imam al-sibt, "the Imam, the grandson". I do not believe that a hard line Sunni such as Zawahiri would call Husain an Imam. That is Shiite terminology.

Other doubts

Ken Katzman, a terrorism expert with the Congressional Research Service -- the in-house think-tank of the U.S. Congress -- said the letter contained elements that raised doubts about its authenticity. 

The purported letter has Zawahri admitting to certain things that it's not realistic for him to admit, because he would know there's a potential this letter might be intercepted," Katzman said.

He said they included a request for money from Zarqawi, an admission that Pakistan's army is hunting for al Qaeda and how the arrest of a top operative affected the network.

[Montgomery Burns]

Let me add 2 sentences from Shady's link:

"More than half of this battle is taking place in the battlefield of the media," he [Al-Zawahri] wrote. "We are in a media battle in a race for the hearts and minds of our umma," or community of Muslims, he wrote.

The liberal media is the fifth column...

[err]

Stop supporting the terrorists and start supporting democracy, freedom, and especially the troops!  Stop being clouded by your hatred of President Bush!

It is interesting that the USA is NOT INTERESTED IN DEMOCRACY for Saudi Arabia.... Where they have a deal with the Saudi Royal Family to KEEP DEMOCRACY OUT. In Iran, in the 1950's the USA organized a coupe, taking out the popular DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Mossedegh government who wanted to nationalize their oil industry.... If you believe that the USA's primary interests in Iraq have anything to do with democracy then you're as gullible as they get....

You hear that stupid Cindy Sheehan?  Here it is again!

Shady... You are obviously an ignorant, insensitive asshole.... Cindy Sheehan lost her son in Iraq so that President Bush, Dick Cheney, et. al. can capitalize on the oil revenues that they will be bringing to their friends in Big Oil once they're out of office....

She lost her son.... and all you can do is call her "stupid"...