Should Don Cherry Sue

[marcus]

8 minutes ago, taxme said:

Good for them. 

Not sure. Would you? 

Ethnicity or religion or colour has never been a variable.

[Dougie93]

12 minutes ago, marcus said:

Ethnicity or religion or colour has never been a variable.

It definitely was for me, because if you were going to marry a girl, you had to look at what family you would be marrying into, and I wasn't gonna be a Jew, nor a Muslim, nor would I have been accepted by West Indians, nor Chinese, nor South Asians, nor any ethnic group which is prejudiced against whites.

I even dated a Mohawk girl, but she told me, it wasn't going anywhere, because she couldn't bring a white guy home to her family.

Edited November 17, 2019 by Dougie93

[SpankyMcFarland]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

The New Deal was in the face of fascism, Huey Long was the Kingfish and the Bonus Army was crushed by MacArthur with tanks.

The New Deal actually failed, the thing that saved FDR was World War Two,

The point is that the country turned left in the Depression. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 11/14/2019 at 5:24 PM, Dougie93 said:

There is no Canadian culture, there Is the Quebecois, and there was the British.

In the 1960's, starting with Pearson, the Liberals began to erase the British in order to appease the Quebecois.

This did not work, but they none the less erased British Canada.

That void has simply been filled by America.

Manifest Destiny.

That anxiety exists in nearly every small country beside a larger one with the same language, and now the whole world has to worry about being swamped by American culture. If the likes of Diefenbaker had been in charge since the Fifties we’d still have the same problem with Hollywood and Facebook. 

[Dougie93]

12 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The point is that the country turned left in the Depression. 

Not actually, you don't know FDR, he was the one who empowered Hoover to go after the left, it was the Red Scare, they were rounding communists up left and right.

The New Deal was also White Supremacist, they threw all the blacks out of their jobs and gave them to whites.

You don't your American history, FDR was brutal on the left, the New Deal was at most, centrist.

The New Deal was a centrist compromise to stave off fascism v. communism in the streets.

And it didn't work, then FDR went right and fought World War Two with Churchill.

Edited November 17, 2019 by Dougie93

[SpankyMcFarland]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

Not actually, you don't know FDR, he was the one who empowered Hoover to go after the left, it was the Red Scare, they were rounding communists up left and right.

 

He was relatively left, certainly more left-wing than the likes of Calvin Coolidge and his friends. He crushed Herbert Hoover in 1932. 

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

He was relatively left, certainly more left-wing than the likes of Calvin Coolidge and his friends. He crushed Herbert Hoover in 1932. 

He wasn't left, FDR crushed the left, the base of the Democrats was not left, it was Dixiecrats from the South, you don't know shit,

Both parties were right wing, and the Democrats were the White Supremacist party, there was no left wing party in 1932.

Edited November 17, 2019 by Dougie93

[SpankyMcFarland]

So Hoover’s Republican administration was more left wing than Roosevelt’s? BTW much of the right in America was isolationist, as in Britain. 

 

 

[Dougie93]

Just now, SpankyMcFarland said:

So Hoover’s Republican administration was more left wing than Roosevelt’s? BTW much of the right in America was isolationist, as in Britain.

The Republicans were technically left of the Democrats then because the Democrats were the Southron conservative Klu Klux Klan party.

The left wing party was the Communist Party, and FDR had Hoover crush them.

[Cannucklehead]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

He wasn't left, FDR crushed the left, the base of the Democrats was not left, it was Dixiecrats from the South, you don't know shit,

Both parties were right wing, and the Democrats were the White Supremacist party, there was no left wing party in 1932.

Until the 1980s, the Democratic Party was a coalition of two parties divided by the Mason–Dixon line: liberal Democrats in the North and culturally conservative voters in the South, who though benefitting from many of the New Deal public works projects opposed increasing civil rights initiatives advocated by Northeastern liberals. The polarization grew stronger after Roosevelt died. Southern Democrats formed a key part of the bipartisan conservative coalition in an alliance with most of the Midwestern Republicans. The economically activist philosophy of Franklin D. Roosevelt, which has strongly influenced American liberalism, shaped much of the party's economic agenda after 1932.^[54]From the 1930s to the mid-1960s, the liberal New Deal coalition usually controlled the presidency while the conservative coalition usually controlled Congress.^[55]

 

^{not exactly correct there.}  

[Dougie93]

Just now, Cannucklehead said:

Until the 1980s, the Democratic Party was a coalition of two parties divided by the Mason–Dixon line: liberal Democrats in the North and culturally conservative voters in the South, who though benefitting from many of the New Deal public works projects opposed increasing civil rights initiatives advocated by Northeastern liberals. The polarization grew stronger after Roosevelt died. Southern Democrats formed a key part of the bipartisan conservative coalition in an alliance with most of the Midwestern Republicans. The economically activist philosophy of Franklin D. Roosevelt, which has strongly influenced American liberalism, shaped much of the party's economic agenda after 1932.^[54]From the 1930s to the mid-1960s, the liberal New Deal coalition usually controlled the presidency while the conservative coalition usually controlled Congress.^[55]

 

^{not exactly correct there.}  

Liberalism at the time was classical liberalism, not the Liberalism of today. 

The Democrats were White Supremacist in the South, they were White Supremacist in the North, they were not a left wing party at all

Again, the left was the Communists, and FDR had Hoover crush them

[Dougie93]

FDR & J Edgar Hoover went after the left with a vengeance, it was the Red Scare, people on the left were getting rounded up by the government as treasonous.

[Cannucklehead]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Liberalism at the time was classical liberalism, not the Liberalism of today. 

The Democrats were White Supremacist in the South, they were White Supremacist in the North, they were not a left wing party at all

Again, the left was the Communists, and FDR had Hoover crush them

The north were not white supremacists.  They were in fact the opposite.  

[Dougie93]

Just now, Cannucklehead said:

The north were not white supremacists.  They were in fact the opposite.  

You're wrong, the New Deal is well documented as both throwing all the blacks out of their jobs to give to whites, and going after the left with the FBI

Because this is what happens in a crisis, the left goes communist, the powers that be cracks down on then,  J Edgar Hoover was a fascist

Same thing will happen in Canada in a crisis, the RCMP will be sicced on the left just like FDR and Hoover.

[SpankyMcFarland]

So when was the left as you define it ascendant in the good times in US history? 

[Dougie93]

 

Just now, SpankyMcFarland said:

So when was the left as you define it ascendant in the good times in US history? 

Right now, this is as left as America gets, right now, Donald Trump propping up the unions with protectionism and curtailing immigration.

[Dougie93]

And this is all the result of the crisis of 2008, America did not go left, America bailed Wall Street out first, then Trump stepped in to appeal to the unions with America First.

[Dougie93]

Where was the big left wing deal from Obama? There was none, he was a creature of Wall Street and he took care of Wall Street.

This is why Trump won, because the Rust Belt did not go left, they went after scapegoats in a rage, which is what happens in a crisis.

[Cannucklehead]

One important demographic change underlay the experience of African Americans during the Roosevelt years. The migration of African Americans from the South to the urban North, which began in 1910, continued in the 1930s and accelerated in the 1940s during World War II. As a result, black Americans during the Roosevelt years lived for the most part either in the urban North or in the rural South, although the Depression chased increasingly large numbers of blacks to southern cities as well. In the North, blacks encountered de facto segregation, racism, and discrimination in housing and public services; nevertheless, they were able to vote and had better job opportunities. In the South, blacks were disfranchised, lived under a segregationist regime enforced by violence, and found fewer avenues for escape from crushing poverty.

No matter where they lived, African Americans were especially hard hit by the Depression. In the rural South, blacks found it increasingly difficult even to survive. In Northern and Southern cities, blacks saw their jobs—which were usually of the entry level, low paying, and unskilled or semi-skilled variety—disappear, either consumed by the faltering economy or snatched up by desperate unemployed whites. By 1932, over half of blacks in Southern cities were unemployed. The employment situation for African Americans in the urban North was only marginally better for the growing black middle class. In Harlem, black ownership or management of property dropped precipitously in the first half of the 1930s.

 

What you're talking about happened before the new deal.   

[Dougie93]

In a crisis, it's like Wiemar Republic, in Germany they elected the NSDAP to stop the left, in America they elected FDR to do it.

When the shit hits the fan, people don't run to Jagmeet Singh to give handouts to immigrants, people are in a rage, and so the demagogues rule.

And FDR was a demagogue,  and he pointed to the left as a threat and then sicced J Edgar Hoover on them.

Red Scare.  Look it up.

Edited November 17, 2019 by Dougie93

[SpankyMcFarland]

14 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

 

Right now, this is as left as America gets, right now, Donald Trump propping up the unions with protectionism and curtailing immigration.

The present is difficult to interpret. When before the present. 

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The present is difficult to interpret. When before the present. 

Eisenhower, the Post War Boom, government money for everybody for everything, inflate the debt to pay for it.

[SpankyMcFarland]

Very strange and probably not relevant to Don Cherry. 

[Dougie93]

Bear in mind that while LBJ talked a big game about Great Society,  it never happened, the Democrats blew their wad in Vietnam.

Edited November 17, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

Ronald Reagan was left by American standards, he ran as a budget hawk, but as soon as he was elected he joined Tip O'Neill and became a tax and spend liberal.