Should Don Cherry Have Been Fired?

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, jacee said:

Read the article so you have something useful to say.

Or take a break.

F*ck your article. You're the anti-white racist projecting your racism on white people, acting like a sport is racist because mostly white people play it while not attributing the same malice to sports where mostly non-whites play.

Edited November 28, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[jacee]

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

You're lying or you never looked for an audience and just assumed everyone in the crowd agreed with you. That does not excuse your conduct.

I always look around for their audience. There never is one. Just a lot of people protesting and drowning white supremacists out. 

Lol 

Do you think you could get back to the thread topic now? 

Edited November 28, 2019 by jacee

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, jacee said:

I always look around for their audience. There never is one. Just a lot of people protesting and drowning white supremacists out. 

Lol 

Do you think you could get back to the thread topic now? 

You don't look hard at all. I know for a fact that you have attended events of people you consider to be a white supremacist who do have large audiences, so this just goes to show your lack of popularity canard is just a lame defense mechanism to help you feel better about shouting down these events.

[jacee]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

F*ck your article. You're the anti-white racist projecting your racism on white people, acting like a sport is racist because mostly white people play it while not attributing the same malice to sports where mostly non-whites play.

I am anti-white-supremacist, because they are violent, destructive loser creeps, an embarrassment. 

You are clearly very overwrought that you've lost your arguments and you're just ranting nonsensically now. 

 I suggest you return to topic, or take a break.

[jacee]

4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

You don't look hard at all. I know for a fact that you have attended events of people you consider to be a white supremacist who do have large audiences, so this just goes to show your lack of popularity canard is just a lame defense mechanism to help you feel better about shouting down these events.

You know for a fact? 

Oh, do tell!  Lol 

Did I shout you down? Lol 

Edited November 28, 2019 by jacee

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, jacee said:

I am anti-white-supremacist, because they are violent, destructive loser creeps, an embarrassment. 

You are clearly very overwrought that you've lost your arguments and you're just ranting nonsensically now. 

 I suggest you return to topic, or take a break.

You think all white people who disagree with you are white supremacists though, which makes you just racist in general. Pretending hockey is an inherently racist sport, because white people like it, talk about a dog whistle.

Edited November 28, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[jacee]

14 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

You think all white people who disagree with you are white supremacists though, which makes you just racist in general. Pretending hockey is an inherently racist sport, talk about a dog whistle.

Read the article.

And maybe read some of these too:

https://www.google.com/search?q=racism+in+hockey&oq=racism+in+hockey&aqs=chrome..69i57.8377j1j7&client=ms-android-samsung-ss&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

I love hockey, and I think the players get it, but hockey leadership needs to be a better example for kids.

And lots of opportunities for kids to play for gmfree and for fun. 

Edited November 28, 2019 by jacee

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, jacee said:

Read the article.

And maybe read some of these too:

https://www.google.com/search?q=racism+in+hockey&oq=racism+in+hockey&aqs=chrome..69i57.8377j1j7&client=ms-android-samsung-ss&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

 

There is racism in every sport, hockey is not extra racist. Just because mostly white people play it, does not make it extra racist. Posting articles is not an argument, make your own arguments.

Edited November 28, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[DrYouth]

1 hour ago, jacee said:

Back to hockey ... 

Don Cherry's firing for bigoted comments is perhaps a good time for a fuller discussion.

Is hockey 'for everyone'? Or is hockey only for well-off white boys? 

This article addresses racism, but there's also the issue of the cost and demands on families. 

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/calgary-flames-bill-peters-hall-analysis-1.5374929

 

I read your article...

To sum up: There are some racist people who watch and play hockey.

Wow. Imagine that. There are racist people doing lots of things. That doesn't make most hockey players or fans racist.

Making sweeping statements about hockey is completely absurd.

The incident with Aliu 10 years ago seems like a weird racist rant about hip hop music...

Not really grounds for being fired on that incident alone.

Seems to me the allegation of Mikal Jordan that Peters kicked and hit him is the more serious one... and that has zero to do with racism.

[jacee]

1 hour ago, DrYouth said:

I read your article...

To sum up: There are some racist people who watch and play hockey.

Wow. Imagine that. There are racist people doing lots of things. That doesn't make most hockey players or fans racist.

Making sweeping statements about hockey is completely absurd.

The incident with Aliu 10 years ago seems like a weird racist rant about hip hop music...

Not really grounds for being fired on that incident alone.

Seems to me the allegation of Mikal Jordan that Peters kicked and hit him is the more serious one... and that has zero to do with racism.

I think anyone who adamantly dismisses racism in hockey on this site is a white supremacist pimping his 'cause' of fomenting violent race wars in Canada. 

Hockey doesn't want you.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/players-speak-out-against-racism-in-hockey-in-wake-of-calgary-flames-coach-allegations-1.4706026

He explained that, far too often in the minor leagues all the way up to the NHL, there’s a culture of silence in dressing rooms which allows for bullying and racism to fester.

“I think we're starting to see that façade crack and more to the power of the players moving forward, as they continue to find their voice and use it,” Seravalli said

 

Edited November 28, 2019 by jacee

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, jacee said:

I think anyone who adamantly dismisses racism in hockey on this site is a white supremacist pimping his 'cause' of fomenting violent race wars in Canada. 

Hockey doesn't want you.

Anyone who points out hockey is no more racist than any other sport is a white supremacist? You really do see white supremacists everywhere, and basically think all whites who play hockey are racist, projecting your own racism on others.

[DrYouth]

12 minutes ago, jacee said:

I think anyone who adamantly dismisses racism in hockey on this site is a white supremacist pimping his 'cause' of fomenting violent race wars in Canada. 

Hockey doesn't want you.

 

There is racism.

And there is accusing people of racism.

You are pimping your race war with the second of these.

Some of us are trying to think clearly about the massing twitter mobs... who are going to do more harm than good with their digital torches and pitchforks.

As for the actual racists... they are shitty of course.... don't call people monkeys and throw bananas at them... that's ignorant...

But that isn't most hockey fans, that isn't most hockey players... and by all means call out racism.... but stay the digital executioners.

Edited November 28, 2019 by DrYouth

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, DrYouth said:

There is racism.

And there is accusing people of racism.

You are pimping your race war with the second of these.

Some of us are trying to think clearly about the massing twitter mobs... who are going to do more harm than good with their digital torches and pitchforks.

As for the actual racists... they are shitty of course.... don't call people monkeys and throw bananas at them... that's ignorant...

But that isn't most hockey fans.

According to jacee, any success white people have is due to racism against non-whites, if it wasn't for white racists holding non-whites down, white's wouldn't have any success at all. Therefore because most of the best players happen to be white, hockey must be racist.

She projects her racism on white people to excuse her racism against whites.

Edited November 28, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[jacee]

21 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Anyone who points out hockey is no more racist than any other sport is a white supremacist? You really do see white supremacists everywhere, and basically think all whites who play hockey are racist, projecting your own racism on others.

You talk about nothing but dismissing racism. 

What about this: 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/bauer-survey-results-stun-former-nhl-great-messier/article13567822/

Last winter, Hockey Canada and Bauer Hockey Inc. commissioned an independent survey to better understand the challenges facing non hockey-playing families.

That's because according to the two organizations, approximately 90 per cent of Canadian families choose to not have their kids play hockey. So a survey of 875 non hockey-playing families in Ontario and Nova Scotia was conducted to better understand why they don't play the game and the top four reasons given were a) it wasn't fun b) was too time consuming c) safety concerns d) and affordability.

90% 

Edited November 28, 2019 by jacee

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, jacee said:

You talk about nothing but dismissing racism. 

You talk about nothing but accusing others of racism for merely disagreeing with you. You're entire schtick is "The Girl Who Cried Racist".

Edited November 28, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Marocc]

18 hours ago, Goddess said:

 if they are offended by something someone else says, then the other person did something wrong.

That is the general rule.

18 hours ago, Goddess said:

Just because YOU are offended, does not mean the other person did anything wrong.

Not always, but usually it does as far as my experience goes.

18 hours ago, Goddess said:

Millions of Muslims are offended by any criticism of Islam and are working desperately in every country to make criticism of Islam illegal and punishable. 

Evidence? Has it occurred to you that the officials of different countries may find hate speech and related phenomena to cause a lot of trouble? There is a big difference between criticism and hate speech. Criticism can be done in a sophisticated manner.

15 hours ago, Goddess said:

I know it because you automatically assume that if YOU are offended, the other person is automatically "wrong".  You dont' consider that maybe, perhaps you are offended over nothing and that the problem is you.

A person can be both right and offending at the same time. Being right doesn't excuse them being offending though.

[jacee]

Speaking of the toxic culture of hockey ... 

Power play: Hockey players are finally speaking out against the sport's toxic culture

https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/opinion-mitch-marner-hockey-players-speak-out-1.5376558

What has become clear over the past few days is that these are not isolated incidents or a few bad apples making mistakes. Embedded in North American hockey is a culture rife with systemic racism, sexism, and physical and verbal abuse.

And it has been preserved through an uneven power structure; one that makes players feel inferior and scared to come forward, partly because speaking up could cost them a job. ...

"I have over 150 messages from current players, former players, NHL to the AHL all the way down to children, and I plan on doing something about it. And that wasn't the case a year ago, I maybe had three or four messages," Carcillo told CBC Sports.

 

Not only fear for their job, but the players who do speak up are the ones Don Cherry would ridicule and humiliate on live TV. The culture that supported Don Cherry is the culture that makes hockey toxic, and it's the reason why 90% of Canadian families do not put their kids in hockey - because "it isn't fun". (See link in previous post.)

Edited November 29, 2019 by jacee

[DrYouth]

2 hours ago, jacee said:

Speaking of the toxic culture of hockey ... 

 

Not only fear for their job, but the players who do speak up are the ones Don Cherry would ridicule and humiliate on live TV. The culture that supported Don Cherry is the culture that makes hockey toxic, and it's the reason why 90% of Canadian families do not put their kids in hockey - because "it isn't fun". (See link in previous post.)

Sounds like you are playing the tune of "toxic masculinity".

Hockey is "toxic"?

Maybe there are some coaches that players don't like... just like there are teachers students don't like and bosses that employees don't like.

Does this make school toxic, the workplace toxic or a hockey team toxic?  Sometimes... sometimes not.

Sometimes students, players and employees are just whining... and sometimes there is a serious problem with leadership.

90% of families probably don't think yoga is fun, or figure skating is fun or skiing is fun either. This argument really makes me laugh!

You really are gathering a bunch of smoke in your hands and trying to pin it to the wall... to make a case for "toxic" hockey culture.

Calling Hockey or Masculinity toxic... are sweeping generalizations made only by simple minded people.

 

Edited November 29, 2019 by DrYouth

[Yzermandius19]

2 hours ago, DrYouth said:

Sounds like you are playing the tune of "toxic masculinity".

Hockey is "toxic"?

Maybe there are some coaches that players don't like... just like there are teachers students don't like and bosses that employees don't like.

Does this make school toxic, the workplace toxic or a hockey team toxic?  Sometimes... sometimes not.

Sometimes students, players and employees are just whining... and sometimes there is a serious problem with leadership.

90% of families probably don't think yoga is fun, or figure skating is fun or skiing is fun either. This argument really makes me laugh!

You really are gathering a bunch of smoke in your hands and trying to pin it to the wall... to make a case for "toxic" hockey culture.

Calling Hockey or Masculinity toxic... are sweeping generalizations made only by simple minded people.

 

She thinks if men predominate in an occupation or sport, it's because of the systemic sexism of the sport or occupation, she thinks if white people predominate an occupation or sport, it's because of the systemic racism of the sport or occupation. All disparities are explained by discrimination to her, especially if that disparity favors white men, she can think of no other explanation. She's Antifa, she sees discrimination around every corner and under every rock, because she wants to pretend that the cause she is fighting for is more just than it actually is. Hence why she thinks everyone is a white supremacist, including you.

Simple minded indeed.

Edited November 29, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[jacee]

21 hours ago, DrYouth said:

Sounds like you are playing the tune of "toxic masculinity".

Hockey is "toxic"?

Maybe there are some coaches that players don't like... just like there are teachers students don't like and bosses that employees don't like.

Does this make school toxic, the workplace toxic or a hockey team toxic?  Sometimes... sometimes not.

Sometimes students, players and employees are just whining... and sometimes there is a serious problem with leadership.

90% of families probably don't think yoga is fun, or figure skating is fun or skiing is fun either. This argument really makes me laugh!

You really are gathering a bunch of smoke in your hands and trying to pin it to the wall... to make a case for "toxic" hockey culture.

Calling Hockey or Masculinity toxic... are sweeping generalizations made only by simple minded people.

 

I'm not the one saying it. It's the players. Go tell them they're wrong. Lol 

90% of Canadian families don't put their kids in hockey. Is that a problem? 

[jacee]

19 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

She thinks if men predominate in an occupation or sport, it's because of the systemic sexism of the sport or occupation, she thinks if white people predominate an occupation or sport, it's because of the systemic racism of the sport or occupation. All disparities are explained by discrimination to her, especially if that disparity favors white men, she can think of no other explanation. She's Antifa, she sees discrimination around every corner and under every rock, because she wants to pretend that the cause she is fighting for is more just than it actually is. Hence why she thinks everyone is a white supremacist, including you.

Simple minded indeed.

Read the articles. It isn't my opinion. Go argue with them, white supremacist. 

[DrYouth]

1 hour ago, jacee said:

I'm not the one saying it. It's the players. Go tell them they're wrong. Lol 

90% of Canadian families don't put their kids in hockey. Is that a problem? 

The players aren't saying hockey is toxic.

Some players are complaining about some coaches...

And they found a few "woke" players that want to throw the whole sport under the bus.... 

10% of Canadian families are putting their kids in hockey... sounds about right.

We have lots of sports to choose from. It is a free country.

[jacee]

16 minutes ago, DrYouth said:

The players aren't saying hockey is toxic.

Some players are complaining about some coaches...

And they found a few "woke" players that want to throw the whole sport under the bus.... 

10% of Canadian families are putting their kids in hockey... sounds about right.

We have lots of sports to choose from. It is a free country.

Ok. So there's no problem in hockey. All good.

But Bill Peters has resigned anyway.  

Edited November 30, 2019 by jacee

[Yzermandius19]

1 hour ago, jacee said:

Read the articles. It isn't my opinion. Go argue with them, white supremacist. 

Anecdotal evidence of rare instances is not proof of systemic racism or sexism.

[DrYouth]

57 minutes ago, jacee said:

Ok. So there's no problem in hockey. All good.

But Bill Peters has resigned anyway.  

There may or may not have been a problem with Bill Peters...

I suspect he was an asshat... but that's part of the problem... how many people really know this person.

But Twitter justice has been served...

And the mob feels its power. This is not a pure unalloyed good that has been unleashed...

Don Cherry was unceremoniously turfed... although many loved him.... curmudgeon that he was...

There is blood in the water and the sharks are in a frenzy.

Edited November 30, 2019 by DrYouth