Trudeau Embarrassing Canada on the Global Stage Again

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

The National Socialists were never the enemies of the Americans to start off with.

The Americans originally underwrote the fascists as the Bulwark Against Communism.

The dispute arose over Hitler flipping sides to Mussolini at which point Germany threatened the route through Suez to India and Indochina.

Thus why Britain and France declared war on Germany.

When the Germans took France and imperiled Britain, America intervened to protect its investments, having bailed the Entente Cordiale out in 1916.

Once the Americans had secured their European assets, they welcomed the fascists back into the fold as the Bulwark Against Communism.

Not entirely or even especially.  Communism was considered at that time to be a somewhat viable alternative within the US and there was an active communist party.  There were many US business interests in Germany.  Ford continued to manufacture vehicles for Germany, even using slave labour, until the US entered the war, at which point the German production became stand alone.  

Germany’s invasion of Poland was the line in the sand for Great Britain, and Britain’s obligation to it goes back to The Treaty of Versailles and further back to the defeat of Napoleon at Waterloo and the Treaty of Paris of 1815.  Basically the balance of power in Europe became stabilized by the Seventh Coalition: Great Britain, France, Prussia, and Russia.  Austro-Hungary was part of that balance too, and later Italy.  WW1 was about Austro-Hungary’s miscalculation that the western powers of France and Britain would neglect their alliance with Russia after a Serb nationalist (allied with Russia) assasinated the future monarch of AustroHungary (the remainder of the Holy Roman Empire).   WW1 was a failed attempt by the German peoples to reassert the fallen and fractured empire.  Protecting Poland was the way that Britain, France and her allies such as Canada contained German expansion.  

Hitler’s invasion of Poland was a highly symbolic and real reassertion of the Germanic empire, which is why he referred to Germany as the Third Reich and compared himself to Charlemagne.  Germany invaded Poland and then Britain declared war on Germany in September, 1939.  Canada joined days later.  The US came into the war after Japan’s surprise attack on US Pearl Harbour in December, 1941.

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[Dougie93]

Myth.  

There was no reason for France and Britain to go to war over Poland, all the British and French cared about was their Empires in the East, they didn't give a rats ass what Hitler did in Eastern Europe, the issue was the Mediterranean.

This is why Churchill roped the Americans into fighting in the Mediterranean theater while delaying them from invading France, Churchill was never fighting for Europe, he was fighting for India and Far East.

[Dougie93]

Bear in mind all the bullshit myth making and sanitization of the Second World War to re-frame it as a war for "freedom and democracy" when it was in fact an imperialist war.

Truth is that Canada never fought for democracy nor freedom, Canada has only ever fought for imperialism.

Reason being that Canada is nothing more than a lickspittle crony colony of Britain which was handed off to the Americans in 1916.

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[Dougie93]

Not that I oppose fighting for the American Empire of Liberty, it's the best Empire ever.

Canada is neither here nor there, it's not like Canada actually defends Canada nor ever has.

Canada is simply a American protectorate propped up by special access to the American markets.

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[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

Also note that the British and French Empires in India and Indochina were not any different that what Hitler wanted to build in Eastern Europe.

Moreover Hitler's plan was based on the American conquest of the Indians in North America.

Even tiny Belgium which Canada went to war for in 1915, was a monstrous slave empire comparable to the Nazis, see; the Congo.

Slavery had been banned in the British Empire since 1832.  The main reason Britain (and her allies such as Canada) went to war with Germany in WW1 was that Germany had upended the balance of the five powers in Europe that had largely kept war out of Europe for a century.

Yes there was a “scramble for Africa”  that all of the colonial powers engaged in during the late 19th century, and some parts of Africa transferred between different powers.  The ravages of this time are well documented.  Germany also had possessions there   However, it was the attempted rehabilitation of an old order empire and its containment that is the content of WW1, and that battleground was mostly in Europe (territory in Africa and the Pacific are secondary), especially in Northern France and Belgium.  Some lands like the Sudetenland Land in the east or Alsace-Loraine, had been part of the German (Prussian) Empire and were somewhat overlooked when Hitler invaded in WW2.  Poland was the line in the sand   

 

 

 

 

Edited May 12, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

Myth.    India and Indochina were enslaved even more than the West Indians had been. 

The West Indians weren't even a nation,  India and Indochina were actual nations which the British and French ruled with an iron fist.

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[Zeitgeist]

24 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Myth.  

There was no reason for France and Britain to go to war over Poland, all the British and French cared about was their Empires in the East, they didn't give a rats ass what Hitler did in Eastern Europe, the issue was the Mediterranean.

This is why Churchill roped the Americans into fighting in the Mediterranean theater while delaying them from invading France, Churchill was never fighting for Europe, he was fighting for India and Far East.

Germany was never a viable threat to India, which gained independence for internal reasons.  Britain maintained order in the Middle East and the figure of Lawrence of Arabia is interesting.  Also interesting is the fact that Germany allied herself with the Ottoman Empire in WW1 and tried to take down Britain in her Islamic territories/routes by exploiting Jihadism against Britain.  It didn’t work.  Egypt didn’t buy it.  Interesting that now there are so many Turks in Germany, the centre of Europe’s refugee settlement.  

[Zeitgeist]

15 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Not that I oppose fighting for the American Empire of Liberty, it's the best Empire ever.

Canada is neither here nor there, it's not like Canada actually defends Canada nor ever has.

Canada is simply a American protectorate propped up by special access to the American markets.

Nonsense.  The US only really played a major role in Canada’s defence from WW2 onwards, and Canada was a significant contributor in WW2.

[Dougie93]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

Germany was never a viable threat to India, which gained independence for internal reasons.  Britain maintained order in the Middle East and the figure of Lawrence of Arabia is interesting.  Also interesting is the fact that Germany allied herself with the Ottoman Empire in WW1 and tried to take down Britain in her Islamic territories/routes by exploiting Jihadism against Britain.  It didn’t work.  Egypt didn’t buy it.  Interesting that now there are so many Turks in Germany, the centre of Europe’s refugee settlement.  

For university academic, you are quite the fool, proof that nobody learns anything in college.   Everything you post on this board is bullshit mythology to try to create Canada into something other than a lickspitte crony colony of foreign empires, to include having to try to fabricate those empires into something that they were not.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

Nonsense.  The US only really played a major role in Canada’s defence from WW2 onwards, and Canada was a significant contributor in WW2.

Canada contributed cannon fodder to the British Empire,  the lickspittle Canadian industrialist government falling over itself to suck up to wealthy imperialist interests, as per usual.

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

For university academic, you are quite the fool, proof that nobody learns anything in college.   Everything you post on this board is bullshit mythology to try to create Canada into something other than a lickspitte crony colony of foreign empires, to include having to try to fabricate those empires into something that they were not.

You demonstrate a very shallow understanding of the history of alliances in Europe.  If you’re interested in Churchill, and I’ve read his History of the English Speaking Peoples, learn about his ancestry and Agincourt.  He had unfinished business.  

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You demonstrate a very shallow understanding of the history of alliances in Europe.  If you’re interested in Churchill, and I’ve read his History of the English Speaking Peoples, learn about his ancestry and Agincourt.  He had unfinished business.  

Fallacious canard /shrugs