Dougie93 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: Marner increases their chances, writing that off because he's not a 1C or a 1G, is silly. Not maximizing your chances makes no sense, just because no winger will put them over the top by himself. If you don't have a superior alternative to spend the cap space on, then not spending it on Marner is foolish. The ball is in Marner's court, he can sign an offer sheet, or he can sit the season out, rumor is that Dubas had a deal with Marner but Shanahan overruled Dubas and said no to that deal, so I don't think Shanny is bluffing.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: The ball is in Marner's court, he can sign an offer sheet, or he can sit the season out, rumor is that Dubas had a deal with Marner but Shanahan overruled Dubas and said no to that deal, so I don't think Shanny is bluffing. If the deal is good enough for Dubas, and Marner is willing to sign it, clearly Marner is not the problem then, Shanahan is. Marner is being reasonable, Dubas is being reasonable, Shanahan is not. Shanahan is drawing the line in the sand, not Marner. Stop with scapegoating the wrong guy, if there is anyone worthy of being scapegoating in this scenario, it's Sheriff Shanny. Edited July 20, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: If the deal is good enough for Dubas, and Marner is willing to sign it, clearly he's not the problem then, Shanahan is. Marner is being reasonable, Dubas is being reasonable, Shanahan is not. Shanny has a temper, he came out publicly and said they expect the players to take one for the team, Marner is not willing to, perhaps Shanny will run Marner out of town for it, he is an Irish Papist after all, notorious hotheads. In the end, they had to cave to the 1C, but Marner is ultimately expendable if he refuses to play ball.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: In the end, they had to cave to the 1C, but Marner is ultimately expendable if he refuses to play ball. He isn't refusing to play ball though, Shanahan is. Expecting Marner to take one for the team, when Nylander didn't take one for the team, is asinine. Shanahan picks his battles like an emotional hot head indeed, the Shanaplan is a fraud, the only one who knows what they are doing is Dubas, Babcock and Shanahan are holding the team back. Edited July 20, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Yzermandius19 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) If y'all wanted Marner to take one for the team, you had to make Nylander take one for the team, but now that you didn't, that means everyone who is more important than Nylander isn't going to take one for the team. Shanahan made that bed, and now he has to lie in it, or run Marner out of town to compound his previous mistakes out of spite. At this point, I'd rather run Shanahan out of town than Marner, f*ck Sheriff Shanny and his Harold Ballard wannabe strategy. Edited July 20, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: If y'all wanted Marner to take one for the team, you had to make Nylander take one for the team, but now that you didn't, that means everyone who is more important than Nylander doesn't have to take on for the team. Marner wanted to go last, now he's holding the bag, if he wants to stay, he's gonna have to take one for the team, if not, sayonara, it's not like I will burn his sweater in effigy or anything like that, I don't own a Leafs sweater, wouldn't actually wear one even if you gave it to me for free.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Marner wanted to go last, now he's holding the bag, if he wants to stay, he's gonna have to take one for the team, if not, sayonara, it's not like I will burn his sweater in effigy or anything like that, I don't own a Leafs sweater, wouldn't actually wear one even if you gave it to me for free. Going last doesn't mean he should get screwed and have to be the one to take one for the team. Being cool with paying Nylander while drawing a line in the sand and refusing to pay Marner is ridiculous mismanagement. You morons would rather pay Ceci, Kerfoot, Kapanen and Johnsson than keep Marner and have to trade one of them, that's insane, literally insane. Anyone advocating that strategy should be run out of town, not Marner. If you want cap room, run other guys out of town, not Mitchy because he won't bend over and take in the ass from Shanny, what in the f*ck? How you back Shanny in this scenario over Marner makes zero sense to me, I'm flabbergasted you would side with someone who would rather pay Kerfoot than Marner. If it came down to paying Johnsson, Kapanen and Kerfoot or Marner, and it can't be both, I'm siding with Mitchy all day, the other wingers are a dime a dozen, Mitch Marner is not. It's a helluva lot easier to replace those three than Mitchy. Edited July 20, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: Going last doesn't mean he should get screwed and have to be the one to take one for the team. Being cool with paying Nylander while drawing a line in the sand and refusing to pay Marner is ridiculous mismanagement. Well, if Marner doesn't care about playing in Toronto, he can sit the season out I suppose, it's up to him, the corporation has no feelings, the corporation doesn't care.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Well, if Marner doesn't care about playing in Toronto, he can sit the season out I suppose, it's up to him, the corporation has no feelings, the corporation doesn't care. He wants to play in Toronto, but he doesn't want to do it for pennies on the dollar, like you said a deal was ready to go, before Shanny drew a line in the sand. Shanahan doesn't want him to play in Toronto apparently, to the point he'd rather pay wingers who are a dime a dozen instead of Marner out of spite for not Mitchy wanting to let Shanny f*ck him in the ass. Harold Ballard Lives, his ghost has just possessed the body of Brendan Shanahan. Edited July 20, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: He wants to play in Toronto, but he doesn't want to do it for pennies on the dollar. Shanahan doesn't want him to play in Toronto apparently, to the point he'd rather pay wingers who are a dime a dozen instead of Marner out of spite for not Mitchy wanting to let Shanny f*ck him in the ass. He can sign an offer sheet at any time, I honestly have zero sympathy for Marner, sign the offer sheet or just f*ck off already.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: He can sign an offer sheet at any time, I honestly have zero sympathy for Marner, sign the offer sheet or just f*ck off already. None of the offer sheets are worth signing, they want to lowball him for his UFA years. It makes no sense for Marner to sign and then not get paid as much in UFA because he's almost 30. I have zero sympathy for Shanahan, let Dubas sign Marner or just f*ck off already. Kerfoot > Marner is crazy town. Johnsson > Marner is crazy town. Kapanen > Marner is crazy town. Ceci > Marner is crazy town. Brendan Shanahan has gone insane. He wants to pay dime a dozen guys instead of paying Marner anywhere near what he's actually worth. He gets butthurt he has no cap room when he's perfectly willing to pay guys that are much worse than Marner who are a dime a dozen and then wants to run Marner out of town in a fit of displaced anger for not having cap room. Shanahan has lost his damn mind. Edited July 20, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 Well, maybe the Leafs are bluffing, but something tells me they're not, if he doesn't sign by training camp, I think the Leafs are going to lock him out, and then the offer sheet is the only way out. That's what I think the Leafs are doing, they are forcing him to sign an offer sheet or lose a season, it's hardball, but Marner wanted it this way, he's the one who refused to negotiate during the season, he's the one who hired Darren Ferris who is known to play chicken as his only move.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Well, maybe the Leafs are bluffing, but something tells me they're not, if he doesn't sign by training camp, I think the Leafs are going to lock him out, and then the offer sheet is the only way out. That's what I think the Leafs are doing, they are forcing him to sign an offer sheet or lose a season, it's hardball, but Marner wanted it this way, he's the one who refused to negotiate during the season, he's the one who hired Darren Ferris who is known to play chicken as his only move. If Shanny is just bluffing, that would make sense, but if he's not, he's literally insane, and he needs to be run out of town. It makes zero logical sense to lock out Marner, he is not asking for too much, or too long or short of a term, Shanny is the hold up, not Marner. Whatever deal Marner was willing to sign that Dubas was cool with, I bet that is totally reasonable, Shanny just wants to shave a little off it by playing chicken, but if he refuses to turn at the last second, he's a self sabotaging nutjob. If Shanny is insane and not bluffing, and I was Marner, and I wanted to win the Cup while getting paid, I'd just sign the bridge and start demanding a trade, because Toronto is going absolutely nowhere with Brendan Ballard running the show and handcuffing Dubas to prevent him from saving the team from itself. Edited July 20, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: If Shanny is just bluffing, that would make sense, but if he's not, he's literally insane, and he needs to be run out of town. It makes zero logical sense to lock out Marner, he is not asking for too much, or too long or short of a term, Shanny is the hold up, not Marner. Whatever deal Marner was willing to sign, I bet that is totally reasonable, Shanny just wants to shave a little off it by playing chicken, but if he refuses to turn at the last second, he's a self sabotaging nutjob. I don't know, it's just a rumour, but whatever, Marner has been playing hardball all along, he named his terms, so hardball it is, maybe Shanny is a harder man than Marner was expecting. I like that tho, I'd be willing to lose Marner, just to see him sit out the whole season, just desserts, hardball for hardball, f*ck Paul Marner and Darren Ferris too, long live Pal Hal.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: I don't know, it's just a rumour, but whatever, Marner has been playing hardball all along, he named his terms, so hardball it is, maybe Shanny is a harder man than Marner was expecting. I like that tho, I'd be willing to lose Marner, just to see him sit out the whole season, just desserts, hardball for hardball, f*ck Paul Marner and Darren Ferris too, long live Pal Hal. Both parties being insane is unlikely, and for the Leafs sake, you better hope it's all just negotiation tactics, and neither party is as hard as they fronting right now. If Shanny is that hard, time to bail on Toronto if you want to win and get paid at the same time, Bozak knows. I think both sides are bluffing, the media keep acting like this is Nylander all over again, but I'm not buying it. If either side isn't bluffing and they don't get the desired concessions, they are both retarded, and Harold Ballard is back with a vengeance. Edited July 20, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Both parties being insane is unlikely, and for the Leafs sake, you better hope it's all just negotiation tactics, and neither party is as hard as they fronting right now. If Shanny is that hard, time to bail on Toronto if you want to win and get paid at the same time, Bozak knows. It's just entertainment, if Dubas got dirtied up and broke the hearts of his Millennial worshipers by running Marner out of town, that would be entertaining too. I'd still be with Dubas, I would respect him all the more actually, hardball for hardball, to the bitter end, that's how I roll.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: It's just entertainment, if Dubas got dirtied up and broke the hearts of his Millennial worshipers by running Marner out of town, that would be entertaining too. I'd still be with Dubas, I would respect him all the more actually, hardball for hardball, to the bitter end, that's how I roll. Dubas gets a pass, because it's clearly all Shanahan's fault if Marner gets run out of town. The moronic fan base will of course turn on Dubas, but I won't, like I say, he's the only one who knows what he's doing in this situation, everyone is either bluffing for negotiation leverage or crazy. Edited July 20, 2019 by Yzermandius19
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Dougie93 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Dubas gets a pass, because it's clearly all Shanahan's fault if Marner gets run out of town. The moronic fan base will of course turn on Dubas, but I won't, like I say, he's the only one who knows what he's doing in this situation, everyone is either bluffing for negotiation leverage or crazy. I like it when things get crazy, like I say, I miss Pal Hal, it was really my father who hated Ballard, I actually found Ballard to be amusing, and I respected his "f*ck you all" attitude towards the world, Pal Hal dgaf.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: I like it when things get crazy, like I say, I miss Pal Hal, it was really my father who hated Ballard, I actually found Ballard to be amusing, and I respected his "f*ck you all" attitude towards the world, Pal Hal dgaf. I like the attitude when applied in a reasonable manner, like when it doesn't result in obvious self sabotage, there is such a thing as too much "f*ck you all" though, and that line is when you are f*cking yourself most of all, just to spite others. Pal Hal often took it way too far, it was a double-edged sword with him. Edited July 20, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: I like the attitude when applied in a reasonable manner when it doesn't result in obvious self sabotage, there is such a thing as too much "f*ck you all". Well he only got busted once, just to add to his street cred, but Hal didn't sabotage himself much, he was the richest man in hockey, he was raking it in by 1970's standards.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Well he only got busted once, just to add to his street cred, but Hal didn't sabotage himself much, he was the richest man in hockey, he was raking it in by 1970's standards. Well when it comes to milking the Leafs despite not winning, he was certainly raking it in. Problem with the Leafs is, they make huge money regardless of whether they win or lose, so the incentive to win is basically non-existent compared to every other team in the NHL, and Ballard exploited the sh*t out of that dynamic. Edited July 20, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: Well when it comes to milking the Leafs despite not winning, he was certainly raking it in. Problem with the Leafs is, they make huge money regardless of whether they win or lose, so the incentive to win is basically non-existent compared to every other team in the NHL. "Why should I put a bunch of Cadillac's on the ice when I sell out with a bunch of Volkswagen's" ~ Harold Ballard Â
Dougie93 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 But you see, like Canada itself, the Leafs are an evil empire and always have been. It's not like Conn Smythe was different from Ballard, Ballard learned everything from Smythe, Ballard was Smythe 2.0
Yzermandius19 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: "Why should I put a bunch of Cadillac's on the ice when I sell out with a bunch of Volkswagen's" ~ Harold Ballard  That's the real Harold Ballard Disease. I don't blame Ballard for exploiting it for his own gain, doing anything else would be hating money. It worked a lot better at winning championships when there was only six teams in NHL, post-expansion, not so much, who knew? That's the big difference between Smythe and Ballard. Edited July 20, 2019 by Yzermandius19
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