Yzermandius19 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Not so much better, just more useful to the Leafs as a third line role player at a cheaper cap hit for close to the same points production. Slightly cheaper, similar point production, less goals. Probably won't be a consistent center, but might turn into one, if you're lucky. He can play center in a pinch, but it usually doesn't stick for very long. Kadri is a better fit for the Avs, Kerfoot is a better fit for the Leafs. Edited July 5, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Kadri can play 2C, Kerfoot I doubt it. Kadri can score, Kerfoot doesn't shoot. /shrugs I think Kerfoot can score 20 for the Leafs, I don't think you're getting that much more out of Kadri, it's not like Kadri is going to be playing with MacKinnon, playing with Burahowky and Jost or whomever, is not going to be like playing with Marner.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: I think Kerfoot can score 20 for the Leafs, I don't think you're getting that much more out of Kadri, it's not like Kadri is going to be playing with MacKinnon, playing with Burahowky and Jost or whomever, is not going to be like playing with Marner. I think Kadri can score 25-30 playing 2C, he's going to get top PP time too, so he will playing with MacKinnon and Rantanen, just not so much 5-on-5. Not seeing Kerfoot being a consistent 20 goal scorer, he couldn't even score 20 when his shooting percentage was like 17% and the hockey gods loved him. His shot is good enough to put up 20, but he doesn't shoot. Edited July 5, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Kadri is a better fit for the Avs, Kerfoot is a better fit for the Leafs. Indeed, like one thing that was getting really annoying about Kadri was that he clearly got special treatment in terms of being on the first power play unit, but he was useless there, he was the fifth wheel, I'd rather have Andreas Johnsson in the high slot at this point. Edited July 5, 2019 by Dougie93
Yzermandius19 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) The Avs could always break up the top line, Kadri will probably get playing time with Rantanen or Landeskog on his wing at various points this season 5-on-5 as well. 25-30 goals doesn't seem unreasonable to me. If he gets stuck on PP2 and the Avs break up their top line a lot less than did the last two years, then it will probably be 20-25 goals instead. I'd put the over/under at 25 goals for Kadri next year, if he stays healthy. Edited July 5, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 10 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: I think Kadri can score 25-30 playing 2C, he's going to get top PP time too, so he will playing with MacKinnon and Rantanen, just not so much 5-on-5. Not seeing Kerfoot being a consistent 20 goal scorer, he couldn't even score 20 when his shooting percentage was like 17% and the hockey gods loved him. I don't see Kerfoot as replacing Kadri's production, I see Kerfoot as filling the hole left by Bozak, he's like a Bozak who plays defensively, which is an upgrade, Kadri's production I see as being replaced by Johnsson, cause I think Johnsson can score 25 playing with Matthews and Nylander.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: I don't see Kerfoot as replacing Kadri's production, I see Kerfoot as filling the hole left by Bozak, he's like a Bozak who plays defensively, which is an upgrade, Kadri's production I see as being replaced by Johnsson, cause I think Johnsson can score 25 playing with Matthews and Nylander. I don't see Kerfoot as a center long term, short term he can do it, but he always gets bounced back to the wing more often than not. He's played a decent amount of 3C for the Avs, it just never sticks, despite his faceoff prowess and defensive chops. Maybe he'll finally be able to stick as a 3C on the Leafs, but I wouldn't count that chicken before it's hatched. Edited July 5, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: I don't see Kerfoot as a center long term, short term he can do it, but he always gets bounced back to the wing more often than not. I think he's fine as a 3C, in reality the Leafs play F1, F2, F3, for the purposes of being the 3C, the main thing is to win the faceoffs, then it's flexible as to who is the F1 at any given moment, he needs to play with good wingers, but I think you put Kapanen on his right, and try to get someone with some size and jam on his left, like Korshkov maybe.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: I think he's fine as a 3C, in reality the Leafs play F1, F2, F3, for the purposes of being the 3C, the main thing is to win the faceoffs, then it's flexible as to who is the F1 at any given moment, he needs to play with good wingers, but I think you put Kapanen on his right, and try to get someone with some size and jam on his left, like Korshkov maybe. He can do the Pavelski, take the draw and then pivot to the wing for the rest of the shift, that's probably how the Leafs will use him, in the end. The Avs did that with him a bunch when he did get time at 2C or 3C. Part of Kerfoot's inability to stick at center comes from his propensity pass the puck from a high danger area to the perimeter instead of shooting when he is playing down the middle, also his lack of size forcing him to the perimeter does that as well. Edited July 5, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: He can do the Pavelski, take the draw and then pivot to the wing for the rest of the shift, that's probably how the Leafs will use him, in the end. Like you say, play the shit out of Matthews and Tavares, Kerfoot doesn't have to carry the mail, he just has to be the all purpose guy for Babcock, particularly replacing Bozak on draws.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Like you say, play the shit out of Matthews and Tavares, Kerfoot doesn't have to carry the mail, he just has to be the all purpose guy for Babcock, particularly replacing Bozak on draws. All purpose and versatile, Kerfoot can totally do that. He can play anywhere on that third line, and move up to the second line in a pinch. Anywhere in the middle six that you need him, he can play there, at least in the short term, if not the long term. That's one Kerfoot's main strengths, and that's just what the Leafs are looking for, where as on the Avs, it was hard to see where he'd fit in the lineup, especially if the Avs had gotten Kadri and kept him, so he was expendable. Edited July 5, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 The biggest thing that Kadri brings to the Avs is his jam, the Avs have a tendency to float, Kadri will drag them into the fight, it's just a question of keeping him from melting down.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: The biggest thing that Kadri brings to the Avs is his jam, the Avs have a tendency to float, Kadri will drag them into the fight, it's just a question of keeping him from melting down. I'm sure he'll melt down from time to time, just don't do it at a crucial moment, like in the playoffs, that's the key. Thankfully if the Avs are playing the Bruins, it means they are in the cup finals, so that certainly helps. Edited July 5, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: I'm sure he'll melt down from time to time, just don't do it at a crucial moment, like in the playoffs, that's the key. Thing is, even in the playoffs, I didn't miss him, the lack of Kadri is not why they choked.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) He only melts down in the playoffs when playing Boston, so unless the Avs are playing them in the finals, I won't have to be overly worried about it, hopefully. Change of Conference helps with the Bruins being in Kadri's head factor. Edited July 5, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 Moreover, because Kadri is not Core 7 and there is going to be an expansion draft, this was going to be Kadri's last season with the Leafs anyways, so it's as much a rental as Barrie is, from the Leafs point of view, particularly in the event of a lockout.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) Losing a year of MacKinnon, especially at a $6.3 million cap hit, is going to suck balls. Would be nice if the players just caved earlier this time, so I don't have to go through that. Edited July 5, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 Bear in mind that Kadri was going to put Seattle on his 10 team NTC which then forces the Leafs to protect him, so they needed to get rid of him now while they could.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 Why is the NHL the only league where the players are retarded enough to sit through lockouts every CBA negotiation? Fucking morons, learn from other sports leagues ffs.
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Losing a year of MacKinnon is going to suck balls, would be nice if the players just caved earlier this time, so I don't have to go through that. Matthews is already full pop so there's no lost discount, plus I think Matthews likes being in the center of the hockey media universe, he just doesn't want to get burned like MacKinnon, he wants another massive contract before he is 30, and I don't blame him, that's the way things are going anyways. The Leafs are just transitioning to the New NHL where you pay the superstars and everybody else gets screwed, but every team is going to get there very soon.
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 15 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: He only melts down in the playoffs when playing Boston, so unless the Avs are playing them in the finals, I won't have to be overly worried about it, hopefully. Change of Conference helps with the Bruins being in Kadri's head factor. Like I say, I'm more bullish on Kerfoot than you are, and so is Dubas, and I trust Dubstep's judgement on market inefficiencies. I think the Leafs actually missed Bozak more than they missed Kadri, and I think Kerfoot is more complete than Bozak, and frankly with all the other reasons to move Kadri, the fact that he blew himself up just gave Dubas a nice opening to throw him under the bus.
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) I'm also bullish on Cody Ceci, he's not great, Bob, but, I think he will be better than Leaf fans are expecting. You have to factor in how badly the Sens mismanaged him, he is a pure offensive defensemen, he was a star scoring defensemen in junior, he's not a shutdown guy at all, but the Sens had Karlsson and then Chabot, so they tried to force Ceci to be something he's not, playing him 25 minutes a night in a shutdown role, which, the Leafs won't do, I think the Leafs style fits Ceci, don't expect him to be a shutdown guy, put him in a position to succeed, which is to be offensive, rush the puck and use that howitzer of a shot. Edited July 5, 2019 by Dougie93
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 Ceci is basically a right handed Phaneuf, he can skate, he's got a howitzer, he can snipe and go to the net, he can dish out a big body check from time to time, but like Phaneuf, he's not actually a DFD, he's not actually that tough, and he's definitely not a shutdown guy, Cody Ceci is more like Kieth Yandle, he's just got a big body, which is why the Sens were dumb to play him with Phanuef, two Phaneuf's playing together is of course a recipe to get rolled in your own zone.
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 With Dubas as the GM, I have to embrace the Dubeezian concept of operations, which is that "shutdown" defense just means you don't have the puck and so are getting caved in, Dubas is building a defense more like Nashville, Reilly is a better version of Josi, Ceci is poor man's Subban, Muzzin is Eckholm, and Barrie is Ryan Ellis.
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 So bullish on Kerfoot right now, he's actually comparable to Johnsson, he's like a Johnsson who is better than Bozak on draws.
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