Dougie93 Posted July 4, 2019 Report Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: Kerfoot signs for 4 years at $3.5 million AAV Ceci signs for 1 year at $4.5 million AAV Ceci agreed to take exactly what Zaitsev was getting instead of going to arbitration, that was already worked out as a verbal agreement. Bit of an overpay for Kerfoot, although a four year price predictable contract makes him very trade-able. I'm going to give Kerfoot a chance to show what he can do, I don't think he was properly slotted by the Avs, they were playing him too high in the line-up, I think he might be more effective being sheltered against lesser competition, just be better than Connor Brown, he doesn't have to be Kadri. Edited July 4, 2019 by Dougie93
Dougie93 Posted July 4, 2019 Report Posted July 4, 2019 The Leafs are apparently going to use Nathan Horton LTIR cap relief to boost their effective cap room, but that only leaves about $9 million at this point, so if Marner ain't budging off his demands, I'd say it's likely were back into another Invasive Hockey Parent Nylander situation wherein Marner misses half the year sitting out and pouting.
Dougie93 Posted July 4, 2019 Report Posted July 4, 2019 The silver lining should be that they play the shit out of Nylander, and given all the opportunity if he still doesn't break out then, that means he really is just lazy and so trading him becomes more palatable.
Dougie93 Posted July 4, 2019 Report Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) I wouldn't necessarily trade Nylander for a defenseman tho, rather I'd trade him for a different type of winger, for example now that they've lost Panarin and Duchene, quite sure Columbus would be willing to move Josh Anderson for Nylander. Edited July 4, 2019 by Dougie93
Dougie93 Posted July 4, 2019 Report Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) For the defenseman, I would continue to try to pry Pesce out of Carolina, but rather than offering Nylander Hall for Larsson scenario, I would try to sell Dundon on cheaper prospects, building a package around Liljegren. Now that he has to pay Aho $20 million up front, you appeal to his cheapness to move him off of a roster player unto future prospective assets on ELC's Perhaps Liljegren will be a star someday, but the Leafs can't worry about someday while they are in the Tavares window, and because Liljegren is a rather one dimensional OFD, I still don't think he'd end up being more valuable in real terms than 5 years of Pesce at a very reasonable $4 million cap hit. Edited July 4, 2019 by Dougie93
Dougie93 Posted July 4, 2019 Report Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) The way the Basketball Reffing goes in the No Hit League, you actually need two teams these days, a speedy team for the regular season, then you need to add veteran grinders for the playoffs, thus I am looking at 2020 UFA's who the Leafs might be able to add by the deadline. RNH is UFA, but I don't think the Leafs need the Nuge, they've already got that in spades, nor would they want to pay the price Edmonton will be asking. There is Tim Schaller and Chris Tanev in Vancouver, assuming Tanev can play and be had for a bucket o' pucks. There's RHD Justin Braun in Philly. If the wheels haven't completely fallen off, they might bring Hainsey back from Ottawa, Ottawa being the Leafs de facto second farm team at this point, Ottawa also has Dylan DeMelo and Mark Boroweicki. Minnesota has Jared Spurgeon and Mikko Koivu. LA Kings have Tyler Toffoli, Dubas seems to have a relationship with LA so that one really seems plausible and me likey. They also have Derek Fobort and Kyle Clifford. Calgary has Brodie, Hamonic, Stone and Frolik Buffalo has Connor Sheary and Vladimir Sobotka. I'd be looking at Toffoli, Brodie, Sheary, Spurgeon, Koivu, Hamonic, Schaller, DeMelo, Hainsey, Clifford, Forbort, and Tanev if he can still play. I think the most realistic scenario would be getting Toffoli and Clifford out of LA, and Tanev if he can still play, which, me would likey. Edited July 4, 2019 by Dougie93
Dougie93 Posted July 4, 2019 Report Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) Early Leafs lineup projection assuming they don't make another trade and Marner signs at some point before camp; Hyman - Tavares - Marner Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander Mikheyev - Kerfoot - Kapanen Moore - Spezza - Shore Rielly - Ceci Muzzin - Barrie Harpur - Dermott Andersen Hutchinson Not great, Bob, but it is a playoff team, like I say, I covet Pesce out of Carolina to push Ceci down into Harpur's slot, and Tyler Toffoli out of LA to push Mikheyev down to the 4th line, assuming that Mikheyev is just Par Lindholm 2.0 and not some sort of lost gem. Also would try to get a better backup. Something like this; Hyman - Tavares - Marner Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander Toffoli - Kerfoot - Kapanen Moore - Spezza - Mikheyev Rielly - Pesce Muzzin - Barrie Dermott - Ceci Andersen Domingue If they clear all the extra guys they are carrying down to the Marlies, there's enough combined cap room to fit Pesce in, Domingue is on a reasonable cap hit of just over a million and you wouldn't get Toffolli until the deadline so there wouldn't be much left on his cap hit for the year, once the playoffs start they can bring all the depth guys back up from the Marlies as Black Aces as necessary. Special teams lineup; PP1 Matthews - Tavares Johnsson - Marner Rielly PP2 Toffoli - Spezza Kerfoot - Nylander Barrie PK1 Hyman - Mikheyev Muzzin - Pesce PK2 Kerfoot - Kapanen Dermott - Ceci Edited July 4, 2019 by Dougie93
Yzermandius19 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 Hearing rumors that the Islanders considering offer sheeting Marner, $12.5 million.
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 34 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Hearing rumors that the Islanders considering offer sheeting Marner, $12.5 million. Sounds like a "rumor" coming from Marner's agent. Seems rather unlike Two Phones to winningly overpay a player, but I suppose he might be getting desperate.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Sounds like a "rumor" coming from Marner's agent. Seems rather unlike Two Phones to winningly overpay a player, but I suppose he might be getting desperate. I believe in no offer sheet rumors, I'll believe them when I see them. Perhaps Two Phones is lashing out because he didn't get Panarin, perhaps not. Edited July 5, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: I believe in no offer sheet rumors, I'll believe them when I see them. Perhaps Two Phones is lashing out because he didn't get Panarin, perhaps not. The Leafs would just match at $12.5 and deal with it by trading someone else out, like I say, I don't think you get the player unless you massively overpay, at which point, buh bye Mitchy and we move on with four first round picks for Dubas to work with, nobody is bigger than the team, if Marner doesn't want to be here, let him go, he can take his invasive hockey parents with him too.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 35 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: The Leafs would just match at $12.5 and deal with it by trading someone else out, like I say, I don't think you get the player unless you massively overpay, at which point, buh bye Mitchy and we move on with four first round picks for Dubas to work with, nobody is bigger than the team, if Marner doesn't want to be here, let him go, he can take his invasive hockey parents with him too. Yeah gotta go over $13 million a year to make the Leafs think about it, McDavid money is matchable.
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: Yeah gotta go over $13 million a year to make the Leafs think about it, McDavid money is matchable. I more likely scenario to me is that Marner doesn't really want to leave the center of the hockey universe, so this just drags on and on as with Nylander, until eventually Marner has to accept a 3 x 9 bridge.
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 At least with Marner I don't expect a big hangover from sitting out the first couple months like Nylander, I think Marner would get back up to speed pretty quick. In the end the Leafs just have to treat it like an injury situation, so long as he's back for the stretch run, might actually be a good thing, load management. In the meantime; Hyman Tavares Nylander Johnsson Matthews Kapanen
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) I'm actually not paying much attention to Marner right now, he's a known quantity, it's just a question of when and how much does it cost, but I have faith in Dubas, Pridham and Gilman to figure it out. I'm more interested in Kerfoot and Ceci right now. I think they have untapped upside, particularly Kerfoot. The fans in Ottawa dump on Ceci as their whipping boy, but again, I think the problem was that Ottawa miscast him as a DFD when Ceci is and always was a OFD not a DFD, he was a high scoring rushing star in junior with a 96 mile an hour slap shot, he was getting caved in with the Sens because they were overplaying him 25 minutes a night as a shutdown guy, which, I don't think Babcock will do that, I think Babcock can help Ceci, Babcock is at his best as teaching coach. Edited July 5, 2019 by Dougie93
Yzermandius19 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) Not really seeing the Kerfoot upside, if he has more than he's shown, I doubt it's much more. I mean if he ever starts shooting the puck, then maybe I could see it, but good luck with that, brace yourself for passing up open shots to force a pass the entire defense sees coming, because they know he's not going to shoot, that's probably what you're gonna get. Edited July 5, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Not really seeing the Kerfoot upside, if he has more than he's shown, I doubt it's much more. I mean if he ever starts shooting the puck, then maybe I could see it, but good luck with that. He has way more upside than Calle Rosen, I don't even think Rosen is an NHL player, I think Babcock can get more out of Kerfoot, again, Babcock's specialty is teaching.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: He has way more upside than Calle Rosen, I don't even think Rosen is an NHL player, I think Babcock can get more out of Kerfoot, again, Babcock's specialty is teaching. It's not Kerfoot for Rosen though. Kerfoot was thrown in because Kadri is worth more than rental Barrie and the Avs needed to spice up the deal. Just saying, be prepared for Kerfoot passing 8 out 10 times you yell at him to shoot the damn puck. I think Kerfoot is what he is at this point, he might be able to make a few tweaks here and there, but for the most part what you see is what you're gonna get, a middle six playmaking winger who is good at faceoffs. Edited July 5, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: It's not Kerfoot for Rosen though. Kerfoot was thrown in because Kadri is worth more than rental Barrie and the Avs needed to spice up the deal. I don't think Kadri is worth that much, he's slowing down fast, I wanted rid of that contract, I think Kerfoot will be scoring more than Kadri before too long, Kadri was basically a fifth wheel on the Leafs already, and I do think his lack of discipline was a problem which the Leafs don't need.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: I don't think Kadri is worth that much, he's slowing down fast, I wanted rid of that contract, I think Kerfoot will be scoring more than Kadri before too long, Kadri was basically a fifth wheel on the Leafs already, and I do think his lack of discipline was a problem which the Leafs don't need. Meh, I don't think Kadri is slowing down fast, I just think Tavares bumped him down the line up and he couldn't get his cookies as easily. I think Kadri won't start falling off quick until after his current contract expires. I think a 40-50 points is all you're going to get out of Kerfoot, unless he learns to shoot the puck, he's never going to be the goal scorer Kadri is, and even if he does start shooting, he still probably will never get there. If you ever get a 30 goal season out of Alex Kerfoot, I'd be shocked. Middle six playmaking winger who is good at faceoffs is probably what you're going to get, the best you can realistically hope for is a playmaking middle six player who would make a good 3C for only $1 million less than Kadri. Edited July 5, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 Bear in mind that there is going to be a lockout and an expansion draft, so one of those Kadri years is a write off, and the Leafs didn't want to be stuck with his no move clause for Expansion, so it was best to move on from Kadri now, since in reality it's only one more year of Kadri not two, and the Leafs can only protect thier Core 7 p;us one more from Seattle, and I wouldn't want that plus one to be Kadri because he has a NTC.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Bear in mind that there is going to be a lockout and an expansion draft, so one of those Kadri years is a write off, and the Leafs didn't want to be stuck with his no move clause for Expansion, so it was best to move on from Kadri now, since in reality it's only one more year of Kadri not two, and the Leafs can only protect thier Core 7 p;us one more from Seattle, and I wouldn't want that plus one to be Kadri because he has a NTC. It makes sense for the Leafs to move Kadri, but I think the "Kerfoot will be better in short order" theory is wishful thinking. Edited July 5, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Meh, I don't think Kadri is slowing down fast, I just think Tavares bumped him down the line up and he couldn't get his cookies as easily. I think a 40-50 points is all you're going to get out of Kerfoot, unless he learns to shoot the puck, he's never going to be the goal scorer Kadri is, and even if he does start shooting, he still probably will never get there. If you ever get a 30 goal season out of Alex Kerfoot, I'd be shocked. I think 40-50 points is all you're going to get out of Kadri, he only scored 30 playing with Marner, soon as he wasn't playing with Marner, Kadri's production dropped off to Kerfoot levels.
Dougie93 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: It makes sense for the Leafs to move Kadri, but I think the Kerfoot will be better in short order is wishful thinking. Not so much better, just more useful to the Leafs as a third line role player at a cheaper cap hit for close to the same points production.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Posted July 5, 2019 Just now, Dougie93 said: I think 40-50 points is all you're going to get out of Kadri, he only scored 30 playing with Marner, soon as he wasn't playing with Marner, Kadri's production dropped off to Kerfoot levels. Kadri can play 2C, Kerfoot I doubt it. Kadri can score, Kerfoot doesn't shoot. /shrugs
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