Dougie93 Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 SCUDs are cheap and easy, placeholder, and if SCUDs can hit Israel from Iraq, they can hit Seoul, and the Americans at Kunsan, perhaps Okinawa and Guam. In the meantime, parallel track to Redwings over the CONUS, steady as she goes, gonna get there eventually, wait out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: SCUDs are cheap and easy, placeholder, and if SCUDs can hit Israel from Iraq, they can hit Seoul, and the Americans at Kunsan, perhaps Okinawa and Guam. In the meantime, parallel track to Redwings over the CONUS, steady as she goes, gonna get there eventually, wait out. Hypergolic = mixing two dangerous (poisonous, corrosive and explosive) chemicals to produce a controlled detonation (exhaust is also poisonous and corrosive). NASA last used it during the Gemini Titan II Program and quickly learned why not to....at least for manned flights. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsymmetrical_dimethylhydrazine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinitrogen_tetroxide Scuds (not an acronym) are all hypergolic fuel powered....besides being ancient. They must be fueled just before launch. They can not sit idle while fueled. The corrosive nature of both chemicals starts to eat the rocket's workings (pumps, etc)...literally. They must launch or be drained....not easy...if not impossible on the battlefield. The Red Chinese use the hypergolic fueled Long March for their manned flights...shows how much they care. As NASA learned, hypergolic fuel defies baffling and when ignited produces a very nasty pogo effect that renders 90% of astronauts space sick. This on-top of the explosion risks... Edited January 23, 2019 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 I don't think the NK's are particularly concerned with safety, and I don't think they plan to maneuver with their missiles, prolly just going to keep them in a tunnel and then roll them out unto a fixed launch site. They're not concerned with an American counterforce, the missiles are really about leveraging Seoul not Washington. At some point they will reach the threshold of leveraging Washington directly, in the meantime they will rely on the stop gap to prevent Washington from stopping them from continuing from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: I don't think the NK's are particularly concerned with safety, and I don't think they plan to maneuver with their missiles, prolly just going to keep them in a tunnel and then roll them out unto a fixed launch site. They're not concerned with an American counterforce, the missiles are really about leveraging Seoul not Washington. At some point they will reach the threshold of leveraging Washington directly, in the meantime they will rely on the stop gap to prevent Washington from stopping them from continuing from there. You can not keep hypergolic powered rockets fueled. The main advantage is that both chemicals are stored at room temperature. Edited January 23, 2019 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 35 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: You can not keep hypergolic powered rockets fueled. The main advantage is that both chemicals are stored at room temperature. They don't have to be on hair trigger alert to subjugate the South Korean left into driving the Americans out and entering into a Faustian bargain, the mere presence of a countervalue option against Seoul is already taking effect, high level negotiations with the Americans with the South Korean left siding with Pyongyang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 This is an asymmetrical option to win the Korean War nary a shot fired, simply by getting the South Korean left to cave and allow the wolf in the back door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iznogoud Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 12 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: Actually, Tewa led to another dead end design called the B41...the only three stage weapon deployed by the USA. The success story of Redwing was the development of the B28 which was a multi-yield device...used by Canada even. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B41_nuclear_bomb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B28_nuclear_bomb Yes, indeed. Trinity is a good introduction for anybody interested in nuclear weapons. But it doesn't cover a lot of details, unfortunately. Nor does it cover non-American designs. Joe 4, for example...the Soviet's first boosted weapon...not quite an H-Bomb. Test 6 was Red China's... Grapple Y was Great Britain's...etc. Reveal hidden contents Yes, its focus was entirely on the US-USSR arms race, but it had an interesting twist at the end with China's first nuclear test. Of course the French continued testing right into the 90s, much to the disgust of the rest of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 Didn't disgust me, the best way to convince people to demand a stand down from launch on warning, is to test the bombs live and in living colour. Soon as the bombs went underground, and now simulated virtual testing, the impetus to step back from the abyss has dissipated rather sharply. Castle Bravo got people's attention. Test ban treaty put them back to sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, Dougie93 said: Didn't disgust me, the best way to convince people to demand a stand down from launch on warning, is to test the bombs live and in living colour. Soon as the bombs went underground, and now simulated virtual testing, the impetus to step back from the abyss has dissipated rather sharply. Castle Bravo got people's attention. Test ban treaty put them back to sleep. I think folks were a bit upset at getting their bones replaced with strontium 90...et alia. 17 hours ago, Iznogoud said: Yes, its focus was entirely on the US-USSR arms race, but it had an interesting twist at the end with China's first nuclear test. Of course the French continued testing right into the 90s, much to the disgust of the rest of the world. The French were always a bit of a pain, this way. A bit of cultural inferiority, me thinks. Big bombs make-up for that. The French...for all their testing...have some dubious methods of delivery. Lay down or retarded drops from aircraft...how quaint. I don't think they have any cruise missiles with nuclear payloads in their 300 warhead armory. But I know less about the French than I should... They apparently have SLBMs...the M51...which does seem to be a happening thang. Ariane built them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M51_(missile) Edited January 24, 2019 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: I think folks were a bit upset at getting their bones replaced with strontium 90...et alia. Strontium-90 has a half life of 28 years, we're good to go for another round, bust a cap in dat bitch, at Eniwetok <popcorn> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Strontium-90 has a half life of 28 years, we're good to go for another round, bust a cap in dat bitch, at Eniwetok <popcorn> No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 If you're worried about fallout, make it a neutron bomb, no fallout no problemo, plus it will scare the bejeezers out of Mr. Ivan, reasserting the Balance of Terror needed for MAD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: If you're worried about fallout, make it a neutron bomb, no fallout no problemo, plus it will scare the bejeezers out of Mr. Ivan, reasserting the Balance of Terror needed for MAD I see less and less reasons to scare the heck out of Mr Ivan. It's Islam that needs the fear of being burnt to a frickin' crisp put into its collective head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 Neutron bomb is the all purpose super bomb, the Super-Super, takes on all comers and is in fact the only credible deterrent as nobody really believes anymore that anyone will use a two-stage with uranium casing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: Neutron bomb is the all purpose super bomb, the Super-Super, takes on all comers and is in fact the only credible deterrent as nobody really believes anymore that anyone will use a two-stage with uranium casing. The Russians have lived with instant destruction looming like the Sword of Damocles for decades. I doubt an N-Bomb...which they can also produce...is going to have the desired 'quaking in their boots' effect. Islam...like Christianity...is Apocalyptic...but unlike Christianity, sees creating a human made Apocalypse as a sure fire way to the best seats in Heaven....Nuclear Jihad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) The Siloviki would be hard pressed to deploy a neutron bomb force to even replace a portion of their uranium encased arsenal, that would take them decades, which they do not have. Never mind that; neutron bombs on both sides is entirely optimal, that way, when the launch on warning/false warning inevitably occurs, it does not result in Cormac McCarthy's The Road, rather civilization carries on in the wake, no cobalt thorium g effect. The Jihadis will not likely acquire an existential threat unless and until they take Pakistan and/or depose the House of Saud, at which point, you'll need those neutron bombs to take them down clean. Edited January 24, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: The Siloviki would be hard pressed to deploy a neutron bomb force to even replace a portion of their uranium encased arsenal, that would take them decades, which they do not have. Never mind that; neutron bombs on both sides is entirely optimal, that way, when the launch on warning/false warning inevitably occurs, it does not result in Cormac McCarthy's the road, civilization carries on in the wake. The Jihadis will not likely acquire an existential threat unless and until they take Pakistan and/or depose the House of Saud, at which point, you'll need those neutron bombs to take them down clean. Islam was created to dominate...not participate in interfaith dialogues. I give the next nuclear detonation (not a test) a 90% chance to be attributed to some aspect of this rather rowdy death cult. The other 10% being everything else...from accidents to Klassic Kold War Konfrontation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) If it's just one bomb, that's not an existential threat, the Jihadis only present an existential threat at the threshold of unacceptable casualties; if and as they acquire a comprehensive capability, which will require a fully functioning industrialized state to be their Islamic State. Most viable options; take Pakistan and/or depose the House of Saud and take Aramco Edited January 24, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 Just now, Dougie93 said: If it's just one bomb, that's not an existential threat, the Jihadis only present an accidental threat at the threshold of unacceptable casualties if and as they acquire a comprehensive capability, which will require a fully functioning industrialized state to be their Islamic State. Most likely options; take Pakistan. Depose the House of Saud and take Aramco Who says just one bomb? Was 9-11 just one airliner? Pakistan...pretty much already a terrorist nation with Nukes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 ...which begs the question: does MAD work re: Islam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 All roads lead back to the neutron bomb. The Super-Super, maximum deterrence against rational actors, maximum flexibility response against suicide cults masquerading as states and all such comers in extremis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 Just now, Dougie93 said: All roads lead back to the neutron bomb. The Super-Super, maximum deterrence against rational actors, maximum flexibility response against suicide cults masquerading as states and all such comers in extremis. While bombarding Tarawa, the Marines were reassured that nothing would be left alive to oppose their Amtracs as they came ashore...for sure. Islam is a death cult. Death while committing Jihad = First Class ticket to Paradise and all the virgins you can handle. All you gotta do is pull this trigger. It's a powerful thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 19 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: While bombarding Tarawa, the Marines were reassured that nothing would be left alive to oppose their Amtracs as they came ashore...for sure. Islam is a death cult. Death while committing Jihad = First Class ticket to Paradise and all the virgins you can handle. All you gotta do is pull this trigger. It's a powerful thing. Stand off from Tarawa. Neutron bomb it. Wait. Land and bulldoze bodies into mass graves. Mission accomplished. Friendly KIA; 0 Friendly WIA; 0 Friendly POW; 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: Stand off from Tarawa. Neutron bomb it. Wait. Land and bulldoze bodies into mass graves. Mission accomplished. Friendly KIA; 0 Friendly WIA; 0 Friendly POW; 0 Some always live...or sneak through. A military axiom to write in stone. Ironically, Operation Downfall (Olympic & Coronet) was to use up to 7 Fat Man type devices as tactical nukes to 'pave' a road to Tokyo if needed. And folks were shocked by Hiroshima & Nagasaki... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Some always live...or sneak through. A military axiom to write in stone. Ironically, Operation Downfall (Olympic & Coronet) was to use up to 7 Fat Man type devices as tactical nukes to 'pave' a road to Tokyo if needed. And folks were shocked by Hiroshima & Nagasaki... Neutron bomb; no fallout, follow up strikes as you like, watch and shoot, watch and shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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