Argus Posted January 11, 2019 Report Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: Companies would simply evacuate Canada and set up in the USA and trade with the Chinese from there, then ship their goods and services into Canada from the USA under USMCA /shrugs Then we slap tariffs on them. /shrug "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Dougie93 Posted January 11, 2019 Report Posted January 11, 2019 Pretty sure Canadians would still buy US products and services the same as now, those products would just be made more expensive to them. You seem to be one of these people who is under the delusion that a tariff is some sort of force field, all it is, is a tax, you're taxing something for the crime of being imported, but that doesn't really impede people from buying them, especially American products and services which are so prized, it would probably make Canadians angry to be taxed on their American purchases, but they would still pay, they would blame you for it, but there wouldn't be a tax revolt, they'd just sit there and take it, who knew?
Zeitgeist Posted January 12, 2019 Report Posted January 12, 2019 Can we get more Canadians or at least some moderate posters on here? It’s getting boring. I’m also tired of hearing the stereotypical US perspective that no one matters in the world but the US. Most traditional Canadian towns have an English or French feel, with lawn bowling and pastry shops and the kind of thing you’d find in Europe. I get many home swap requests from France though I live in Ontario and English is my first language. I use my best French and they use their best English. Our institutions have old traditions and the US isn’t our only ally. I think it’s very ignorant and naive to think that by writing all these anti-Canada posts you’re going to sway people. We see them as silly. Most English Canadians really like Quebec and bilingualism. We appreciate many aspects of US culture, but it’s overwhelming, and the CBC that you like to dump on is a highly valued and important part of Canadian media and culture. Grow up. There’s really no audience up here for such nonsense.
Dougie93 Posted January 12, 2019 Report Posted January 12, 2019 There's barely any audience here at all so far as I can tell, but your post is a classic Liberal Party of Canada canard, someone points out that Confederation doesn't actually work, never did work, and isn't going to work, the Liberal Party of Canada Academic and Media Elites come out of the woodwork invoking the American Reb Menace and then they run one of those heritage minute propaganda spots about how the Anglos and the Francos are hand and hand looking out at the horizon towards a post scarcity bilingual socialist utopia. Who knew?
Dougie93 Posted January 12, 2019 Report Posted January 12, 2019 It's also funny how you think France would ever lift a finger for Canadian Confederation when it was France who said "vive le Quebec, vive le Quebec libre", that is in fact France's position as well, they just keep it to themselves for now, because when De Gaulle said it Canadians freaked out.
Dougie93 Posted January 12, 2019 Report Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) To wit, yes, Quebec is going to separate, yes, your "ally" France is going to help them, and then, yes, the Republic du Quebec will be a Franco-American client state rather than an Anglo-American client state, but it's not going to be the end of the world as the Liberal Party of Canada would fearmonger. People's daily lives aren't going to change, it doesn't matter below the federal level, it will have simply rendered the federal government moot, their Confederation no longer a rubric. And then we can all just get on with things, healthier, wealthier and wiser, with the same relationship to each other as Australia and New Zealand have now, except the bonus is; no more Liberal Party of Canada pseudo dictatorship and associated CBC propaganda arm. Edited January 12, 2019 by Dougie93
Argus Posted January 12, 2019 Report Posted January 12, 2019 22 hours ago, Dougie93 said: Pretty sure Canadians would still buy US products and services the same as now, those products would just be made more expensive to them. You seem to be one of these people who is under the delusion that a tariff is some sort of force field, all it is, is a tax, you're taxing something for the crime of being imported, but that doesn't really impede people from buying them, especially American products and services which are so prized, it would probably make Canadians angry to be taxed on their American purchases, but they would still pay, they would blame you for it, but there wouldn't be a tax revolt, they'd just sit there and take it, who knew? There is a fairly basic law of price impacting demand. Canadians are not in the least attached to American goods any more than to Chinese goods. If you make comparable goods cheaper by increasing the price of Chinese or American goods people will buy the other one. 1 "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Dougie93 Posted January 12, 2019 Report Posted January 12, 2019 Whatever, I don't bother to go round and round pointlessly with knee jerk protectionsists, it's a fool's errand but more power to them, because I have structured my personal financial strategy to hedge for all sorts of nonsense to include protectionist populist backlashes, so I'm just chillin in the markets, which are international and don't care about borders and can be accessed from anywhere anyways in a worldwide digitally networked Information Age. Protect away, blow yourselves up, see if I care. /shrugs
Dougie93 Posted January 12, 2019 Report Posted January 12, 2019 Just don't come crying when you impose deep inefficiencies unto your companies and then we short them into bankruptcy to strip them and restructure. Creative Destruction, who knew?
Zeitgeist Posted January 12, 2019 Report Posted January 12, 2019 17 hours ago, Dougie93 said: There's barely any audience here at all so far as I can tell, but your post is a classic Liberal Party of Canada canard, someone points out that Confederation doesn't actually work, never did work, and isn't going to work, the Liberal Party of Canada Academic and Media Elites come out of the woodwork invoking the American Reb Menace and then they run one of those heritage minute propaganda spots about how the Anglos and the Francos are hand and hand looking out at the horizon towards a post scarcity bilingual socialist utopia. Who knew? As I already said, I voted Conservative. You voted for the Liberals you criticize. Figure yourself out.
Zeitgeist Posted January 12, 2019 Report Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, Dougie93 said: To wit, yes, Quebec is going to separate, yes, your "ally" France is going to help them, and then, yes, the Republic du Quebec will be a Franco-American client state rather than an Anglo-American client state, but it's not going to be the end of the world as the Liberal Party of Canada would fearmonger. People's daily lives aren't going to change, it doesn't matter below the federal level, it will have simply rendered the federal government moot, their Confederation no longer a rubric. And then we can all just get on with things, healthier, wealthier and wiser, with the same relationship to each other as Australia and New Zealand have now, except the bonus is; no more Liberal Party of Canada pseudo dictatorship and associated CBC propaganda arm. Why does this feel like a quote from 1995? Oh yeah, because that’s about the last time separation might have happened, yet it didn’t. Edited January 12, 2019 by Zeitgeist
Dougie93 Posted January 12, 2019 Report Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Why does this feel like a quote from 1995? Oh yeah, because that’s about the last time separation might have happened, yet it didn’t. It's going to keep coming around again and again, it ebbs and flows with the Corporate Welfare, the last referendum was in wake of a deep recession due to a debt crisis, but the Government of Canada is going to keep booming and busting like that, and when they bust again, which isn't going to be that long, the Pequistes will rise again. "Vive le Quebec, vive le Quebec . . . LIBRE!" ~ General De Gaulle Due to the dysfunction of Confederation, it will bring itself down, because Canada cannot actually afford to keep bribing Quebec to stay in Confederation, and when they finally have to give Quebec the bad news, it will be sayonara. Edited January 12, 2019 by Dougie93
Dougie93 Posted January 12, 2019 Report Posted January 12, 2019 This is why I voted for Gerry Butts and his sock puppet Zoolander, because Gerry Butts was the Dalton McGuinty and Kathleen Wynne sock puppets, and his strategy is to steal the NDP's platform to box the NDP out. So Ontario was run by the shadow NDP and as a result is a fiscal and economic basket case now. Gerry Butts is now going to do that to Canada. Which is fine by me, give them what they want with a fire hose, and then ride the populist outrage when it blows up in their face.
Zeitgeist Posted January 12, 2019 Report Posted January 12, 2019 17 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: It's going to keep coming around again and again, it ebbs and flows with the Corporate Welfare, the last referendum was in wake of a deep recession due to a debt crisis, but the Government of Canada is going to keep booming and busting like that, and when they bust again, which isn't going to be that long, the Pequistes will rise again. "Vive le Quebec, vive le Quebec . . . LIBRE!" ~ General De Gaulle Due to the dysfunction of Confederation, it will bring itself down, because Canada cannot actually afford to keep bribing Quebec to stay in Confederation, and when they finally have to give Quebec the bad news, it will be sayonara. No, the demographic has changed in Quebec. Young people and immigrants have little or no interest in separating. Also, the rest of Canada is much more tuned into Quebec and the French language. My kids don’t question learning French as a second language and they’ve enjoyed our exchanges with Quebecers, who also feel more connected to the rest of Canada. In fact Quebec’s biggest ally right now is BC, the most Anglo part of Canada.
Dougie93 Posted January 12, 2019 Report Posted January 12, 2019 I'm quite confident and it's a generational project anyways, you get one shot per generation as Canada booms and busts, and the next bust is looking like a doozy. But aside from economics, the real issue is ethno-nationalism, which is what Quebec is, an ethno-nationalist state within Canada, and as such in the face of Liberal Party of Canada open borders, the anti-immigrant sentiment outside of Montreal is starting to incite fascism. You are talking about Montreal. But we don't need Montreal, that is not our target market.
GostHacked Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 18 hours ago, Dougie93 said: I'm quite confident and it's a generational project anyways, you get one shot per generation as Canada booms and busts, and the next bust is looking like a doozy. But aside from economics, the real issue is ethno-nationalism, which is what Quebec is, an ethno-nationalist state within Canada, and as such in the face of Liberal Party of Canada open borders, the anti-immigrant sentiment outside of Montreal is starting to incite fascism. You are talking about Montreal. But we don't need Montreal, that is not our target market. What the hell does this have to do with trade relations with China?
Dougie93 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 2 hours ago, GostHacked said: What the hell does this have to do with trade relations with China? All roads lead to Rome, as all these issues are directly related at the strategic level to failed state Confederation and the nanny socialist welfare gulag which occupies the power vacuum, resulting in a post national state which is as helpless as a baby and so simply rendered into a no mans land in a cold war between the Americans and Chinese. The only way to solve the problem is to break out of this mafia state to found smaller, more efficient and actually democratic and so stable countries in its place.
Zeitgeist Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) On 1/11/2019 at 10:33 PM, Dougie93 said: It's also funny how you think France would ever lift a finger for Canadian Confederation when it was France who said "vive le Quebec, vive le Quebec libre", that is in fact France's position as well, they just keep it to themselves for now, because when De Gaulle said it Canadians freaked out. That was a pathetic and misplaced remark by De Gaulle, who probably didn’t know how France traded New France (Quebec including what became Ontario) for the little islands of Guadeloupe and St. Pierre and Michelon. The French wanted some fish and sugar. They also couldn’t beat the superior British Navy. I also think of all the Canadian Forces did for France in both world wars. The French know this. Edited January 13, 2019 by Zeitgeist
Dougie93 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said: That was a pathetic and misplaced remark by De Gaulle, who probably didn’t know how France traded New France (Quebec including what became Ontario) for the little islands of Guadeloupe and St. Pierre and Michelon. The French wanted some fish and sugar. They also couldn’t beat the superior British Navy. France is just as ethno-nationalist as Quebec is, France is with Quebec, as a de facto imperial possession simply stolen from them in 1759 by the British Crown. The French are now however dependent on the American Hegemon and the American Hegemon doesn't want them to stir up trouble in North America, so the French are simply biding their time until such time as Quebec frees itself from Confederation, then the French will step in after and adopt it as a client state.
Zeitgeist Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 52 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: All roads lead to Rome, as all these issues are directly related at the strategic level to failed state Confederation and the nanny socialist welfare gulag which occupies the power vacuum, resulting in a post national state which is as helpless as a baby and so simply rendered into a no mans land in a cold war between the Americans and Chinese. The only way to solve the problem is to break out of this mafia state to found smaller, more efficient and actually democratic and so stable countries in its place. No, that’s how you dismantle a state. Canada is an exemplary country from which the Americans could learn a great deal if they bothered to listen. Some do.
Zeitgeist Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: France is just as ethno-nationalist as Quebec is, France is with Quebec, as a de facto imperial possession simply stolen from them in 1759 by the British Crown. The French are now however dependent on the American Hegemon and the American Hegemon doesn't want them to stir up trouble in North America, so the French are simply biding their time until such time as Quebec frees itself from Confederation, then the French will step in after and adopt it as a client state. We already have the Francophonie. France is a close Canadian ally. Many similarities between Macron and Trudeau.
Dougie93 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, Zeitgeist said: No, that’s how you dismantle a state. Canada is an exemplary country from which the Americans could learn a great deal if they bothered to listen. Some do. The Americans do learn a great deal from observing Canada, to include taking the warning of what happens when you allow the far left to run a nanny socialist welfare police state and then call it a country, resulting in what the Americans call; the Fake Country.
Dougie93 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, Zeitgeist said: We already have the Francophonie. France is a close Canadian ally. Many similarities between Macron and Trudeau. France is not a close Canadian ally, the only thing binding Canada to France is the Washington Treaty and associated NATO Article V, other than that, there is no formal relationship at all.
Zeitgeist Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: France is not a close Canadian ally, the only thing binding Canada to France is the Washington Treaty and associated NATO Article V, other than that, there is no formal relationship at all. You clearly don’t understand Canadian history. That’s like saying the UK isn’t a Canadian ally. The Queen you claim to support speaks perfect French and the coat of arms of Britain has French in it, like Canada’s. Integrated since 1066. Edited January 13, 2019 by Zeitgeist
Dougie93 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 Canada really only has one significant alliance, under the United Kingdom - United States Security Agreement and associated Five Eyes Canada cannot have any significant allies beyond Five Eyes, because the Americans determine who has access to Five Eyes operations, thus Five Eyes is the only alliance which binds you, but it binds you with an iron fist none the less.
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