Infrastructure, a key Liberal promise, is a mess

[Zeitgeist]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

False...the issue has been front and center in the USA for years.   But it doesn't cause a civil war between states as in Canada.

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/09/665994751/judge-puts-keystone-xl-pipeline-on-hold-pending-further-environmental-study

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Puerile criticism, heavily on insult, short on substance. 

You can show us the substance of your unproven assertion which exposed you as having no clue what you are talking about, any time now.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/09/665994751/judge-puts-keystone-xl-pipeline-on-hold-pending-further-environmental-study

 

Judges can only delay, not stop KXL construction, now scheduled to begin this year.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/keystone-xl-pipeline-construction-to-start-in-2019/

[Zeitgeist]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

You can show us the substance of your unproven assertion which exposed you as having no clue what you are talking about, any time now.

I’m tired of your superficial use of search engines.  We see first hand and learn about Charter challenges in Canada.  You have not. 

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Judges can only delay, not stop KXL construction, now scheduled to begin this year.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/keystone-xl-pipeline-construction-to-start-in-2019/

You’re going to face court challenges and perhaps much bigger Indigenous protests than we’ve had.  You already had them in fact.  We have not any civil wars in Canada.  The US, a country born of revolution, has.  

[Dougie93]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

I’m tired of your superficial use of search engines.  We see first hand and learn about Charter challenges in Canada.  You have not. 

Actually not, because the public school system didn't teach you that, because they were too busy erasing the central narrative of Canadian history and replacing it with social history, while indoctrinating you to be a Cultural Marxist Grievance Farmer.   lol

[bush_cheney2004]

5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You’re going to face court challenges and perhaps much bigger Indigenous protests than we’ve had.  You already had them in fact.  We have not any civil wars in Canada.  The US, a country born of revolution, has.  

 

That's what is so funny...BC and Alberta are having a pipeline pissing contest without any means to resolve it at the federal level.

BTW, Enbridge Line 3 replacement in Minnesota is also a go.....send more of that filthy dilbit our way for refining and resale in Canada at much higher priced gasoline and distillates.

Edited January 9, 2019 by bush_cheney2004

[Dougie93]

One of the ironies of the War of 1812 was that the British North Americans here were getting ready to overthrow the British Crown, or at least try, because there was no democracy, it was run by Military Governors appointed by the Crown.    Then James Madison comes charging in, and boom, it completely flips in the opposite direction and everybody rallies round the King.  Or at least enough of them to form an army to block the American three pronged assault across Upper and Lower Canada.

Edited January 9, 2019 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

That's what is so funny...BC and Alberta are having a pipeline pissing contest without any means to resolve it at the federal level.

BTW, Enbridge Line 3 replacement in Minnesota is also a go.....send more of that filthy dilbit our way for refining and resale in Canada at much higher priced gasoline and distillates.

I don’t disagree. We should be doing it all, digging, processing, piping to our own refineries, and piping it to our ports for shipment to foreign markets.  

Trans Mountain will happen. 

Edited January 9, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

I don’t disagree. We should be doing it all, digging, processing, piping to our own refineries, and piping it to our ports for shipment to foreign markets.  

 

So what is the holdup for doing exactly that ?   Why is north-south flow to the evil Americans so much easier than east-west flow in Canada ?

Foreign investment in the oil patch has been spooked by all the "virtue signaling" and carbon taxes.

 

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

So what is the holdup for doing exactly that ?   Why is north-south flow to the evil Americans so much easier than east-west flow in Canada ?

Foreign investment in the oil patch has been spooked by all the "virtue signaling" and carbon taxes.

 

And the oil price, because bitumen oil is expensive to make so it's only profitable at unsustainable oil prices, hence the Alberta boom and bust cycle. 

[Zeitgeist]

8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

So what is the holdup for doing exactly that ?   Why is north-south flow to the evil Americans so much easier than east-west flow in Canada ?

Foreign investment in the oil patch has been spooked by all the "virtue signaling" and carbon taxes.

 

No. It’s really about Indigenous opposition.  We’re going through a major reconciliation in Canada. Don’t turn it into a SJW thing either because it’s pretty sad and serious what’s come out, so everyone, including the NEB, is trying to make sure Indigenous peoples are in all consultations, reaping revenue and jobs, and so forth.  The problem in BC with the LNG is that some Indigenous are opposing their own elected leaders who support the pipeline. Basically the RCMP have a tough job to do, but they’ll enforce the court decision to proceed with construction. 

Edited January 9, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

Oh it's an SJW thing, but since two thirds of the country are SJW's, the pipeline will not save the oil sands, because the Climate Doom carbon taxes will make bitumen oil even more expensive when it's already too expensive to be profitable.

Edited January 9, 2019 by Dougie93

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

No. It’s really about Indigenous opposition.  We’re going through a major reconciliation in Canada. Don’t turn it into a SJW thing either because it’s pretty sad and serious what’s come out, so everyone, including the NEB, is trying to make sure Indigenous peoples are in all consultations, reaping revenue and jobs, and so forth.  The problem in BC with the LNG is that some Indigenous are opposing their own elected leaders who support the pipeline. Basically the RCMP have a tough job to to, but they’ll enforce the court decision to proceed with construction. 

 

C'mon, we both know that is just more of the same reconciliation dog and pony show for political gain.   Hell, most of BC was never even ceded to the Crown by treaty, so the "settlers" pretend to acknowledge FN rights by thanking them for allowing the never ending occupation of native lands.

 

 

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

C'mon, we both know that is just more of the same reconciliation dog and pony show for political gain.   Hell, most of BC was never even ceded to the Crown by treaty, so the "settlers" pretend to acknowledge FN rights by thanking them for allowing the never ending occupation of native lands.

But those FN groups are now just Grievance Farming and they also refuse to join the rest of Canada in the 21st century and/or insist on living in areas which are so remote that it is inherently not prosperous to live there.

Edited January 9, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

I mean, these people are not Canadians, in their eyes they are foreign countries and they don't like Canada and so have absolutely no interest in making anything go smoothly for us.

It's 5th generation  warfare hyperpowered small groups asymmetrically flipping the Government of Canada on to its ass.

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

C'mon, we both know that is just more of the same reconciliation dog and pony show for political gain.   Hell, most of BC was never even ceded to the Crown by treaty, so the "settlers" pretend to acknowledge FN rights by thanking them for allowing the never ending occupation of native lands.

 

 

Well there have been major land settlements between the BC government and tribes.  This interprovincial pipeline is national and actually officially supported by Indigenous leadership. The problem is that the support isn’t unanimous and emotions are running high because of other baggage.  Then people in other provinces get involved.  This is the real divide in Canada right now, pro oil and gas versus environmentalists.  I’m amazed that the BC government is piling on against Alberta too.  This is really a western crisis.  Trudeau has actually stood up for Alberta, but he isn’t getting traction with the Alberta public. 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well there have been major land settlements between the BC government and tribes.  This interprovincial pipeline is national and actually officially supported by Indigenous leadership. The problem is that the support isn’t unanimous and emotions are running high because of other baggage.  Then people in other provinces get involved.  This is the real divide in Canada right now, pro oil and gas versus environmentalists.  I’m amazed that the BC government is piling on against Alberta too.  This is really a western crisis.  Trudeau has actually stood up for Alberta, but he isn’t getting traction with the Alberta public. 

 

Trudeau has no credibility on the matter given his own missteps and the well remembered fiasco that was his father's NEP in Alberta.   Tree huggers should not have standing for inter-provincial commerce, but that would only apply if there was already an existing legal framework for such matters at the federal level.  

Don't fool yourself...same nonsense has happened in the east before.    Every province for itself !!!

[Dougie93]

Its way beyond the enviromentalists, it's dirty Canadian oil and gas against the entire Global Climate Doom World Socialist Revolution.

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Trudeau has no credibility on the matter given his own missteps and the well remembered fiasco that was his father's NEP in Alberta.   Tree huggers should not have standing for inter-provincial commerce, but that would only apply if there was already an existing legal framework for such matters at the federal level.  

Don't fool yourself...same nonsense has happened in the east before.    Every province for itself !!!

I’ll put it this way.  The feds can make all these projects happen.  They have jurisdiction, and if it ever made it to a constitutional challenge, the notwithstanding clause. But we have to live together and we’re trying to build relationships.  No one wants another Oka. The LNG pipeline and Trans Mountain will happen.  There may be a bit of revamping or redirection of Trans Mountain.  Better to take a bit longer and get it right.  The NEB knows this and has learned from experience.  Any party in government right now would face this same business. Meanwhile Alberta just wants to get their product to market before more production and job cuts happen. The feds bought a pipeline that’s taking time to build. Alberta wants an interim solution, trains.  They have the access to capital to buy them, but at this point it has to be a loan. How much more money should the feds pour into a traditionally rich province?  It’s not the only province. 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

.... The feds bought a pipeline that’s taking time to build. Alberta wants an interim solution, trains.  They have the access to capital to buy them, but at this point it has to be a loan. How much more money should the feds pour into a traditionally rich province?  It’s not the only province. 

 

The feds bought a pig in a poke....the fat cats in Houston are still laughing about that deal.

As for how much money, even I know the history of massive federal loans and bailouts for Ontario and Quebec.  

What a freakin' mess....

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

The feds bought a pig in a poke....the fat cats in Houston are still laughing about that deal.

As for how much money, even I know the history of massive federal loans and bailouts for Ontario and Quebec.  

What a freakin' mess....

Legal dope delivered to your door from the Queen tho.    It was going to be a mess anyways because Confederation is inherently dysfunctional inciting everything all the time to be a mess.

But you can at least walk down the street smoking a joint, which is why I voted for the Liberals last time.  Also to punish Stephen Harper.

[Zeitgeist]

8 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Legal dope delivered to your door from the Queen tho.    It was going to be a mess anyways because Confederation is inherently dysfunctional inciting everything all the time to be a mess.

But you can at least walk down the street smoking a joint, which is why I voted for the Liberals last time.  Also to punish Stephen Harper.

The true north strong and free...

[Dougie93]

7 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The true north strong and free...

Truly an Orwellian assertion. 

[Argus]

18 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Ha ha. Read the Charter. All the rights are listed.  Environmental safety is easily read into the Charter. 

Given the nature of our judges the rules of quidditch are easily read into the charter.