Yzermandius19 Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 Just now, Jimwd said: I don’t wish anything. I simply read the indictments and guilty pleas,, None of which will be the end of Trump. The GOP Senators aren't about to throw him under the bus because of that, thinking they will is wishful thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwd Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: 66 Senate votes to impeach Trump? Yeah, even if the Democrats had control of the Senate, that is never going to happen. When Muellers report comes out the republicans will turn on trump. The evidence will force them to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 The President is literally immune from prosecution while in office, other than for High Crimes and Misdemeanors, but since that is a poltical rather than criminal statute, the Senate can make up whatever punishment they want. It's gonna be the same lever as it was with Clinton, obstruction, resulting in the same punishment, censure, and then like Clinton, Trump will get a bounce from it as the base rallies around him, Trump walking right back into the Oval Office in the wake of the Impeachment attempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Jimwd said: The base is 35% ...they dont over rule the law. “A government of laws not of men” John Adams The GOP need only 34 votes in the Senate to avoid impeachment, even with 35% of the seats in the Senate, that would be enough to prevent removing Trump from office. You are putting your hopes in a pipe dream fueled entirely by wishful thinking. Edited January 25, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jimwd said: The base is 35% ...they dont over rule the law. “A government of laws not of men” John Adams Rule asymmetrically by way of the electoral college, the Blue opposition is so highly concentrated in the urban centers, that it can't win the electoral college anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwd Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: The GOP need only 34 votes in the Senate to avoid impeachment, even with 35% of the seats in the Senate, that would be enough to prevent removing Trump from office. I think you are missing the point. Today they would not convict trump because today they don’t know all the evidence mueller has uncovered. When Muellers report come out along with documented, verified evidence they will quickly abandon ship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: The President is literally immune from prosecution while in office, other than for High Crimes and Misdemeanors, but since that is a poltical rather than criminal statute, the Senate can make up whatever punishment they want. It's gonna be the same lever as it was with Clinton, obstruction, resulting in the same punishment, censure, and then like Clinton, Trump will get a bounce from it as the base rallies around him, Trump walking right back into the Oval Office in the wake of the Impeachment attempt. Clinton Haters slit their own throat with attempts at impeachment and Trump Haters are poised to learn none of those lessons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwd Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 Just now, Dougie93 said: Rule asymmetrically by way of the electoral college, the Blue opposition is so highly concentrated in the urban centers, that it can't win the electoral college anymore. The EC has nothing to do with the evidence mueller uncovers of crimes, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Jimwd said: I think you are missing the point. Today they would not convict trump because today they don’t know all the evidence mueller has uncovered. When Muellers report come out along with documented, verified evidence they will quickly abandon ship. No they won't, because Mueller's report will contain none of that. When the Mueller report comes out, you are going to be quite disappointed, and then you'll probably accuse Mueller of covering up for Trump because he didn't find a smoking gun. Edited January 25, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwd Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: No they won't, because Mueller's report will contain none of that. When the Mueller report comes out, you are going to be quite disappointed. Remember 2 years ago.....”no russian contacts” Consider the , guilty pleas and trump lies exposed we've come along way since that trump lie, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Jimwd said: Remember 2 years ago.....”no russian contacts” Consider the , guilty pleas and trump lies exposed we've come along way since that trump lie, No we haven't, the Democrats are no closer to removing Trump for office than they were back then. Lying about Russian contacts is not illegal, Republicans impeached Clinton for lying, that didn't go well now did it? If the Dems impeach Trump for lying about Russia, the result will be the same when the GOP impeached Clinton for lying about Lewinski. Starr had nothing, Mueller has nothing, you are falling for the same trap that Clinton Haters fell for in the late 90's. Edited January 25, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jimwd said: The EC has nothing to do with the evidence mueller uncovers of crimes, The Mueller witch hunt will not win the Blue Wall back for the Democrats, so the Democrats will be boxed out by the Red-Blue rural-suburban alliance against the urban progressives, again. And it will keep happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwd Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 29 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: No we haven't, the Democrats are no closer to removing Trump for office than they were back then. Lying about Russian contacts is not illegal, Republicans impeached Clinton for lying, that didn't go well now did it? If the Dems impeach Trump for lying about Russia, the result will be the same when the GOP impeached Clinton for lying about Lewinski. Starr had nothing, Mueller has nothing, you are falling for the same trap that Clinton Haters fell for in the late 90's. 29 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: No we haven't, the Democrats are no closer to removing Trump for office than they were back then. Lying about Russian contacts is not illegal, Republicans impeached Clinton for lying, that didn't go well now did it? If the Dems impeach Trump for lying about Russia, the result will be the same when the GOP impeached Clinton for lying about Lewinski. Starr had nothing, Mueller has nothing, you are falling for the same trap that Clinton Haters fell for in the late 90's. ”lying about russian contacts is not illegal” really.?....people don’t lie for no reason..,,,,,people lie to cover up the truth...mueller will show you why they lied and you won’t like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwd Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 27 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: The Mueller witch hunt will not win the Blue Wall back for the Democrats, so the Democrats will be boxed out by the Red-Blue rural-suburban alliance against the urban progressives, again. And it will keep happening. Witch hunt? Is that like “lock her up” “birther” Seth Rich” Benghazi” pizza gate” style witch hunt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 Just now, Jimwd said: Witch hunt? Is that like “lock her up” “birther” Seth Rich” Benghazi” pizza gate” style witch hunt? Which hunts are entirely consistent with the first amendment, everybody is allowed to witch hunt in America, up to the threshold of Brandenburg v. Ohio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwd Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 Just now, Dougie93 said: Which hunts are entirely consistent with the first amendment, everybody is allowed to witch hunt in America, up to the threshold of Brandenburg v. Ohio. Yes except mueller sure is locking up a lot of witches, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jimwd said: Yes except mueller sure is locking up a lot of witches, Mueller is just doing a job for which he was hired by the Inside the Beltway Cucks, Mueller is not FBI director, Mueller actually has no executive position, he's just acting a private lawyer in essence, on behalf of entrenched interests, who of course chose a guy like Mueller, to try to give their political witch hunt the air of authority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwd Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: Mueller is just doing a job for which he was hired by the Inside the Beltway Cucks, Mueller is not FBI director, Mueller actually has no executive position, he's just acting a private lawyer in essence, on behalf of entrenched interests, who of course chose a guy like Mueller, to try to give their political witch hunt the air of authority. 1. Wray was appointed by Trump 2. Rosenstein was appointed by Trump 3. Mueller was appointed by Rosenstein 4. Only these three have seen the evidence mueller has gathered( all republicans) 5. None of them have called for an end to the investigation 6. I know what that tells me.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Jimwd said: 1. Wray was appointed by Trump 2. Rosenstein was appointed by Trump 3. Mueller was appointed by Rosenstein 4. Only these three have seen the evidence mueller has gathered( all republicans) 5. None of them have called for an end to the investigation 6. I know what that tells me.......... Yeah it tells you to leap to conclusions filled in by your confirmation bias. The reason they lied, is because it's not politically advantageous to tell the truth, that does not mean that Trump committed any crime, it could simply mean that Trump doesn't want to be embarrassed by a political witch hunt, and what politician would want to be embarrassed by a politicial witch hunt. Edited January 25, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwd Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: Yeah it tells you to leap to conclusions filled in by your confirmation bias. The reason they lied, is because it's not politically advantageous to tell the truth, that does not mean that Trump committed any crime. Not politically advantaged to tell the truth? Rofl guess why trump paid 25 million dollars for defrauding Americans,,,? Got a good guess ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 Just now, Jimwd said: Not politically advantaged to tell the truth? Rofl guess why trump paid 25 million dollars for defrauding Americans,,,? Got a good guess ? It wasn't advantageous to tell the truth. Assuming a crime has been committed with no proof, simply because a politician lied, is asinine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jimwd said: 1. Wray was appointed by Trump 2. Rosenstein was appointed by Trump 3. Mueller was appointed by Rosenstein 4. Only these three have seen the evidence mueller has gathered( all republicans) 5. None of them have called for an end to the investigation 6. I know what that tells me.......... Trump is just doing what all Presidents do in the face the witch hunt, just talk over its head and go directly to the people, trying to stop the witch hunt by executive force, doesn't work, that's the Saturday Night Massacre, but if you calculate that your base in going to stick with you through thick and thin and so the Senate is not going to remove you, then you just keeping rallying the base and if you get impeached, you cross that bridge when you get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Trump is just doing what all Presidents do in the face the witch hunt, just talk over its head and go directly to the people, trying to stop the witch hunt by executive force, doesn't work, that's the Saturday Night Massacre, but if you calculate that your base in going to stick with you through thick and thin and so the Senate is not going to remove you, then you just keeping rallying the base and if you get impeached, you cross that bridge when you get there. Clinton did the same thing, and the Republicans claimed they had a smoking gun they never had. Trump is simply stealing from Clinton's playbook, this time the shoe is simply on the other foot. Trump Haters are unable to see how Clintonesque the Mueller Investigation when they called out the Starr Investigation for the same thing, but now because the witch hunt is against a POTUS they don't like, so they forgot how counter-productive their actions are because they are so desperate to get rid of Trump. Edited January 25, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwd Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: It wasn't advantageous to tell the truth. Assuming a crime has been committed with no proof, simply because a politician lied, is asinine. You realize your thinking has become so distorted you are defending lies now. It’s like Orwell..up is down down is up. they lied because they committed crimes l Helsinki should have told you something is wrong, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwd Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: Clinton did the same thing, and the Republicans claimed they had a smoking gun they never had. Trump is simply stealing from Clinton's playbook, this time the shoe is simply on the other foot. Clinton did not do the same thing, clinton lied about personal consensual sex not conspiring with a foreign government, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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