Latest National Opinion Polls

[mirror]

Everyone knows how badly Harper is doing. What the Liberals are trying to keep secret is how bad PM Martin is doing. I mean, come on now, PM Martin is the leader of our country and he doesn't even command 50% approval from Canadians.

[THELIBERAL]

RE::Everyone knows how badly Harper is doing. What the Liberals are trying to keep secret is how bad PM Martin is doing.

Gee some secret you posted all the parts about Martin's bad results did you not?

WOW!

[Argus]

Someone here seems to only pick parts of the poll that show Martin losing support seems they just cannot bring themselves to talk about how their man Harper is doing in the same poll.

So being the good Liberal I'am I'll Post it: NOW PAY CLOSE ATTENTION HOW HARPER IS DOING:::!!!!

As usual, trying to put a unique Liberal spin on things.

The actual point under discussion is that while most recent polls had the Tories far behind this one puts them right up there in a statistical dead heat. Quelle surprise!

So much for the surging Liberals putting their problems behind them and eager to call an election, eh?

[takeanumber]

If the Cons call an election now:

1. The Cons lose 10 seats in BC.

(It's been swinging the other way for awhile now. The mood there is very grim over BC Conservatives in general.)

2. The Libs possibly lose their last seat in Alberta.

3. The Cons lose 1-2 seats in Saskatchewan.

4. The Cons gain 1-2 seats in Manitoba.

5. The Cons lose 10 seats in Ontario, if not more.

6. The Cons neither gain nor lose in Quebec.

7. The Cons get decimated in Atlantic Canada, they lose 5-7 seats.

It's not looking for the cons. That's why Harper is retreating to his base.

[Yaro]

And yet - you are! 

I’m shocked that you can't understand the fact that I value honesty for the sake of honesty, I really am.

Really? Then why do you lie in pretending to worry about the military losing respect in one post and describe military people as animals in the next?

Lie? Sigh, the Canadian military has always maintained a certain amount of international respect for its ability to simply carry out the governments instructions without becoming a mouth piece or a platform for hairless monkeys.

That doesn't change the fact that most people in the military have way to much testosterone, they are monkeys/apes. People who join the military tend to be aggressive, violent, and/or anti-social. This is historical fact and this is the reason I don't want some general sounding off, I understand the need for the military and I understand the difficult job our military in particular has but that doesn't change the nature of the majority of people in the military (any military).

Educated in what? And how? I recall an item on Soviet era doctors during the eighties which pointed out that were they to cross to the West they would not even be considered capable of being nurses due to how backward their training was.

Soviet era Russia produced many of the world’s best engineers, doctors, writers, and the world’s undisputedly best programmers. Russian doctors pioneered many procedures with substandard equipment, there are a great many innovations that were developed in the communist block that are in common use today and they were certainly every bit as qualified as there western counterparts. Romania in particular produced many of the world’s best doctors and has several of the world’s best medical schools and a very very long tradition.

If a person is educated on lies does that make them educated? If you grow up being taught that Communism is working wonderfully, and given false information prove it, and that the West is a den of misery and poverty, and given twisted and false information to prove that - are you really being educated? I don't think so.

I see, so the propaganda that they were fed makes them ignorant while the propaganda that we were fed makes us?

Perhaps you should read a book on the USSR in the 20s-40s and the 50s, you might be surprised by what you find.

Education requires information and the ability to judge. If you have no honest information, and anything which might contradict Communist ideology is banned, and judgment is punished by your society then you don't have a real education.

Your going to use the honesty required for learning idea on me? I suggest you go back and read your posts because of the two of us clearly I am the one more well educated on this topic.

I thought you said you valued honesty, yet here you are twisting reality to create a strawman you think yourself more capable of fighting off. To begin with, those countries are hardly socialist. They are a mixture of capitalism, conservatism and socialism. Further, I never claimed people in Socialist countries were uneducated.

These countries were all EXTREMELY socialist, far more socialist then present day Canada. Once again you only betray your ignorance by claiming otherwise, they had highly regulated markets and extremely flat wealth scales.

However, I believe most of those who embrace Socialism are either naive or are, in their hearts, the kind of overbearing arrogant people who want to force everyone to do as they do, to think as they think, to watch what they watch, or else be punished. In other words, if given an opportunity they would be perfectly happy within a Communist system.

That’s cool, I have no problem with your opinion. I disagree, but perhaps that’s because I tend to think of socialism as something different then you do.

[Canuck E Stan]

THELIBERAL-love you and your messages,especially when I see you refer to a link, I KNOW I have to read it 'cause I KNOW you refuse to quote ALL the good parts you purposely leave out. This time the juicy news was:

The percentage of Canadians who approve of the job being done by Prime Minister Paul Martin has continued its steady year long decline and now stands at an all-time low of 41 percent. Over half of Canadians (56%) now disapprove of Paul Martin.

Thanks to THELIBERAL for the news that 56% of Canadians disapprove of Pauly and the number is climbing. Looks like it's time for the Liberals pack in the Big P.

[mirror]

Liberals maintain lead over Tories

L - 39%

C - 25%

N - 19%

Scandal off the radar for Canadians: poll

L - 36%

C - 28%

N - 17%

[Mad_Michael]

Conservatives have not been this low in the polls since before the last election.

It appears the Liberals have the 'incumbant' advantage. When people are feeling good about their lives and the economy they really don't like to kick the people in charge out. When Gomery was in the news it sounded like a good reason to get rid of the Liberals but it faded as people went back to their lives. Any opposition leader would have a tough time in these circumstances. If the CPC had elected a Joe Clark clone instead of Harper they would be equally low in the polls and people would blame them for not differentiating themselves from the Liberals in policy.

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I disagree. The Conservatives ought to be doing quite well right now. However, so long as they are (legitimately) bagged with the tag of anti-immigrant, anti-gay, anti-equality, anti-Ontario, anti-Quebec and anti-Maritimes, we will be stuck with the Liberals ruling. Go figure.

[Leader Circle]

Conservatives have not been this low in the polls since before the last election.

It appears the Liberals have the 'incumbant' advantage. When people are feeling good about their lives and the economy they really don't like to kick the people in charge out. When Gomery was in the news it sounded like a good reason to get rid of the Liberals but it faded as people went back to their lives. Any opposition leader would have a tough time in these circumstances. If the CPC had elected a Joe Clark clone instead of Harper they would be equally low in the polls and people would blame them for not differentiating themselves from the Liberals in policy.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I disagree. The Conservatives ought to be doing quite well right now. However, so long as they are (legitimately) bagged with the tag of anti-immigrant, anti-gay, anti-equality, anti-Ontario, anti-Quebec and anti-Maritimes, we will be stuck with the Liberals ruling. Go figure.

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They are not anti to any of this. Who tried to get the Atlantic Accord through seperately and fast? Not the Liberals! They are not anti-gay, they simply said gays should have civil unions not marriage. Again, another example of how a 20 year political scientist can't dig his head out from his ass!

[Mad_Michael]

They are not anti to any of this. Who tried to get the Atlantic Accord through seperately and fast? Not the Liberals! They are not anti-gay, they simply said gays should have civil unions not marriage. Again, another example of how a 20 year political scientist can't dig his head out from his ass!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Tell this to Myron Thompson, et al.

If the Reform/Conservative party wants to be taken seriously, they have to seriously distance themselves from a half-dozen senior members of the party who consistently and constantly make anti-gay, anti-immigrant, anti-Quebec, anti-everything comments.

Until then, they shall be tarred with a wide brush. Nothing the Reform/Conservative party is accused of supporting has been made up. Every negative thing they are accused of supporting can be found to be widely supported by the party.

If the shoe fits... or until Harper hangs one of these rednecks out to dry (which he has most certainly not done).

Caroline Parrish went off the rails and spoke outside the playbook and got kicked out of the Liberal party for her troubles. How about Myron Thompson?

[Leader Circle]

They are not anti to any of this. Who tried to get the Atlantic Accord through seperately and fast? Not the Liberals! They are not anti-gay, they simply said gays should have civil unions not marriage. Again, another example of how a 20 year political scientist can't dig his head out from his ass!

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Tell this to Myron Thompson, et al.

If the Reform/Conservative party wants to be taken seriously, they have to seriously distance themselves from a half-dozen senior members of the party who consistently and constantly make anti-gay, anti-immigrant, anti-Quebec, anti-everything comments.

Until then, they shall be tarred with a wide brush. Nothing the Reform/Conservative party is accused of supporting has been made up. Every negative thing they are accused of supporting can be found to be widely supported by the party.

If the shoe fits... or until Harper hangs one of these rednecks out to dry (which he has most certainly not done).

Caroline Parrish went off the rails and spoke outside the playbook and got kicked out of the Liberal party for her troubles. How about Myron Thompson?

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Parrish will end up back in the Liberal party, when he needs her. Funny when the confidence vote came, PM was more than happy to welcome her back into the fold. Good old wishy-washy politicians! But, if Ontario wants Liberals inspite of this.....Ontario gets, no matter what the rest of the country thinks!

[Mad_Michael]

Parrish will end up back in the Liberal party, when he needs her. Funny when the confidence vote came, PM was more than happy to welcome her back into the fold. Good old wishy-washy politicians! But, if Ontario wants Liberals inspite of this.....Ontario gets, no matter what the rest of the country thinks!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Again, you dodge the argument.

And if you knew anything about Canadian politics, you might know that Ontario has a long, long history of voting conservative. Ontario has no love of the Liberal Party.

Now if Albertans can stop railroading the Conservative party into a clone of the Republican party in the USA, then it might be possible for Ontario to vote conservative once again.

But so long as the Alberta-Reform wing has control of the conservative party and spouts anti-gay, anti-immigrant message, the party will be doomed to the backbenches and locked out of Ontario and Quebec.

[kimmy]

Again, you dodge the argument. 

And if you knew anything about Canadian politics, you might know that Ontario has a long, long history of voting conservative.  Ontario has no love of the Liberal Party.

Now if Albertans can stop railroading the Conservative party into a clone of the Republican party in the USA, then it might be possible for Ontario to vote conservative once again.

But so long as the Alberta-Reform wing has control of the conservative party and spouts anti-gay, anti-immigrant message, the party will be doomed to the backbenches and locked out of Ontario and Quebec.

Joe Clark is sitting at home right now asking "like, what the fuck?"

Ontario might have have had a long history with the Progressive Conservative party, but that appears to have come to an end well before Reform/Alliance ate the PCs. If Ontario hadn't so thoroughly rejected the PCs in the 1990s, the Progressive Conservative party would probably still be in existance.

-k

[Mad_Michael]

Joe Clark is sitting at home right now asking "like, what the fuck?" 

Ontario might have have had a long history with the Progressive Conservative party, but that appears to have come to an end well before Reform/Alliance ate the PCs. If Ontario hadn't so thoroughly rejected the PCs in the 1990s, the Progressive Conservative party would probably still be in existance.

-k

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Ontario rejected the Mulroney Tories for the same reason Alberta rejects the Liberals.

Mulroney played to his base - which was Alberta & Quebec at that time. That meant screw Ontario and that's where he went with his politics. Ontario quite rightly objected and threw the bums out since Mulroney didn't quite figure out that Quebec and Alberta is not enough to build or hold a majority.

The difference between Alberta and Ontario here is that Ontario actually has 10 million people (some 40% of the national population) so Ontario dissatisfaction is likely to be felt in Ottawa.

Besides which Mulroney was a big-spending liberal. Ontario is essentially fiscally conservative (and socially liberal) and thus is in love with Paul Martin.

Mulroney wasn't a fiscal conservative and thus had no claims for support from Ontario. With his bases in Alberta and Quebec, Ontario got no pork either. No pork and no fiscal conservatism means Ontario is going to run you out of town. They did.

[kimmy]

Ok, but what about 1997? 2000?

Even in Ontario, the PCs received a smaller share of the popular vote than Reform/Alliance in those elections (as well as in 1993). If Ontario voters wanted a non-Albertan alternative to the Liberals, they had an option in those elections, but ignored it in droves.

-k

[Mad_Michael]

Ok, but what about 1997?  2000?

Even in Ontario, the PCs received a smaller share of the popular vote than Reform/Alliance in those elections (as well as in 1993).  If Ontario voters wanted a non-Albertan alternative to the Liberals, they had an option in those elections, but ignored it in droves.

-k

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Who was the leader of the PC's then? Old Joe or that non-entity MaKay fellow?

Doesn't really matter actually - the question itself answers your question.

And as I said, Ontario is conservative - not Conservative. There is a difference. Ontario likes fiscal conservatives and in 1997-2000 the party of fiscal conservatives was the Liberals with Paul Martin running Finance.

Mulroney and his 'Conservative' government set a new record for the largest deficit in Canadian history - in every single year of office.

[Mad_Michael]

Ok, but what about 1997?  2000?

Even in Ontario, the PCs received a smaller share of the popular vote than Reform/Alliance in those elections (as well as in 1993).  If Ontario voters wanted a non-Albertan alternative to the Liberals, they had an option in those elections, but ignored it in droves.

-k

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Who was the leader of the PC's then? Old Joe or that non-entity MaKay fellow?

Doesn't really matter actually - the question itself answers your question.

And as I said, Ontario is conservative - not Conservative. There is a difference. Ontario likes fiscal conservatives and in 1997-2000 the party of fiscal conservatives was the Liberals with Paul Martin running Finance.

And Mulroney and his 'Conservative' government set a new record for the largest deficit in Canadian history - in every single year of office. That's not conservative in my books.

And it is also important to note that Harris was ruling Ontario then so Ontario was particularly pissed at that blue-coloured party at that time.

Speaking of which, Mike Harris came to power in Ontario with a balanced budget and left office with a huge deficit. Thanks Mike. Just another conservative spendthrift - buying votes with taxcut money that doesn't exist (sounds familiar?).

[Argus]

If the Reform/Conservative party wants to be taken seriously, they have to seriously distance themselves from a half-dozen senior members of the party who consistently and constantly make anti-gay, anti-immigrant, anti-Quebec, anti-everything comments.

Pleaes name the anti-immigrant statements made by senior members of the party. Please name the anti-Quebec and anti-Ontario statements. For that matter, please name the anti-gay comments which weren't echoed by members of the Liberal Party.

[shoop]

Pleaes name the anti-immigrant statements made by senior members of the party. Please name the anti-Quebec and anti-Ontario statements. For that matter, please name the anti-gay comments which weren't echoed by members of the Liberal Party.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Dude, he can't because they don't exist.

As long as 'tards like that have such an anti-CPC mindset there is nothing that the party can do.

All Harper can do is what he has been doing. Meet the people on the streets. Build an effective campaign team and maintain his integrity.

Maybe it will work, maybe not. No better solutions out there for him.

[Hawk]

Parrish will end up back in the Liberal party, when he needs her. Funny when the confidence vote came, PM was more than happy to welcome her back into the fold. Good old wishy-washy politicians! But, if Ontario wants Liberals inspite of this.....Ontario gets, no matter what the rest of the country thinks!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Again, you dodge the argument.

And if you knew anything about Canadian politics, you might know that Ontario has a long, long history of voting conservative. Ontario has no love of the Liberal Party.

Now if Albertans can stop railroading the Conservative party into a clone of the Republican party in the USA, then it might be possible for Ontario to vote conservative once again.

But so long as the Alberta-Reform wing has control of the conservative party and spouts anti-gay, anti-immigrant message, the party will be doomed to the backbenches and locked out of Ontario and Quebec.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

So let me get this straight, as long as we make the Conservatives a liberal party then you guys will vote for them? LoL do you even hear yourself?

[Leader Circle]

Besides which Mulroney was a big-spending liberal.  Ontario is essentially fiscally conservative (and socially liberal) and thus is in love with Paul Martin.

I guess spending $ 22 billion a 3 week period to impress a bunch of communists equals fiscally conservative?

Where did you learn economics?

[THELIBERAL]

Just keep Harper please!

We Liberals like him!

[newbie]

If the Reform/Conservative party wants to be taken seriously, they have to seriously distance themselves from a half-dozen senior members of the party who consistently and constantly make anti-gay, anti-immigrant, anti-Quebec, anti-everything comments.

Pleaes name the anti-immigrant statements made by senior members of the party. Please name the anti-Quebec and anti-Ontario statements. For that matter, please name the anti-gay comments which weren't echoed by members of the Liberal Party.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Don't mean to hijack but I found these after a very quick search on google. Oh, and there's lots more. Enjoy!

"Homosexuality is a mental disorder that can be cured through counselling."

- Stockwell Day, February of 1992, quoted in Alberta Report.

"Well, I’ve always believed that we have to be a lot tougher with undocumented refugee claimants. Whether the best thing is to send them right out of the country or simply detain them until we get full information..."

- Stephen Harper, CHML Radio AM 900 Hamilton, June 3, 2004

"You have to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from Eastern...

- Conservative leader Stephen Harper, in Report Newsmagazine, 2001.

If a community decides this is how you're going to dress and these are the punishments, who are we to say [different]?"

- Cariboo-Chilcotin Conservative MP Phillip Mayfield when asked why he believed that the torture and imprisonment of women for not wearing a veil should not be grounds for granting asylum, The Globe and Mail, March 24, 1995.

"What happens if a boatload [of immigrants] comes over from wherever and decides that they want to to cast ballots?"

- Calgary West Conservative MP Rob Anders expressing opposition to landed immigrants having the right to vote in candidate nomination races, Edmonton Journal, October 2, 2000.

"In the 1950s, buggery was a criminal offence. Now it's a requirement to receive benefits from the federal government."

- Yorkton-Melville Conservative MP Garry Breitkreuz commenting on same sex benefits, The Leader-Post, March 3, 2000.

"For instance, I'm not opposed to gays, but if you bring one of those suckers into my school and they try to push their crap on my students, I have a problem with that. "

- MP Myron Thompson opposing education promoting understanding of gays in the Belleville Intelligencer, April 29th 1994.

"I want the whole world to know that I do not condone homosexuals. I do not condone their activity. I do not like what they do. I think it is wrong. I think it is unnatural and I think it is totally immoral. I will object to it forever whenever they attack the good, traditional Canadian family unit that built the country."

- MP Myron Thompson.

"Do you notice that in Toronto there has been increased crime from certain groups, like Jamaicans? "

- Calgary Northeast MP Art Hanger during a get-acquainted tour of Toronto's ethnic communities, to a storekeeper about crime, quoted in the Edmonton Journal, March 14th 1994.

"The [homosexual] activists that organized in those days [encouraged] people of their persuasion to enter into educational fields, and to do this with the feeling of a mission, you know, of going out there as pioneers in a -- quote-- human rights area, and I think they were successful as we've seen."

- Canadian Alliance MP Larry Spencer, speaking about the "well-orchestrated" homosexual conspiracy, Vancouver Sun, November 27, 2003.

And one more little site: http://www.straightgoods.ca/Election2004/ViewNews.cfm?Ref=55

[THELIBERAL]

Please keep Harper and his cronies at least until after the next election! We Liberals like Harper!

[shoop]

Please keep Harper and his cronies at least until after the next election! We Liberals like Harper!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You like minority governments and having to buy off Belinda Stronach to stay in power?

Why were you talking about winning a record number of seats before the 2004 election?