Viva Ontario libre

[Argus]

What i would love for america is to start organizing just like in europe.

America as in the United States of America, which organized rather better than Europe many years ago? Or America as in North America, which has far too different a set of economies to want to join together. Well, the Mexicans would, obviously, but not the rest of us.

[kimmy]

What rust belt? The Japanese are building even more manufacturing plants here- Ontario now produces more cars then Michigan. Whose wealth again? Alberta's? How many people in Alberta-about the size of Mississauga? Alberta would have its fantasy realized by becoming "Klineland"- a red neck, cowboy theme park. Imagine the pavillions- kick a psychiatric homeless person, Indulge in a two minute hate of everything eastern, reflect in Alberta's national socialist history of eugenics and forced sterilizations. Everyone could enjoy Telus delivering health care with their usual competence and efficiency. Sign up your boys and girls to serve in what ever war corporate America is thinking up. I think everybody wins with this proposal!

While some Ontario-types have tried to convince me that there's no anti-Alberta bias, we can always count on people like our little friend here to set matters straight.

Serious question here...

If Telus offered the Government of Alberta $10B to rename Alberta "Telusland," would Klein do it?

Serious answer: no.

-k

[I Miss Trudeau]

While some Ontario-types have tried to convince me that there's no anti-Alberta bias, we can always count on people like our little friend here to set matters straight.

Is it properly called "bias" if its true?

[ft.niagara]

It is facinating to see Canadians talk about their national breakup in the terminology of when, not if. I think the world if evolving into economic partnerships which transcend national borders. This is probably a good thing because it is probably the biggest roadblock to war that ever existed.

The EU is a mimic of the US, however they have alot to sort out with language not the least of their problems. They have traditions, and alot of historical anamosities.

I was interested to see that Japan is building car factories in Canada. I thought they only built in nonunion areas, and I thought of Canada as a union type area (similar to Michigan).

[BHS]

It is facinating to see Canadians talk about their national breakup in the terminology of when, not if. I think the world if evolving into economic partnerships which transcend national borders. This is probably a good thing because it is probably the biggest roadblock to war that ever existed.

The EU is a mimic of the US, however they have alot to sort out with language not the least of their problems. They have traditions, and alot of historical anamosities.

I was interested to see that Japan is building car factories in Canada. I thought they only built in nonunion areas, and I thought of Canada as a union type area (similar to Michigan).

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I live a couple of hours away from Cambridge, Ontario, where Toyota has a plant. Apparently it's a non-union shop. I imagine that all of their plants are. From what I've heard the work conditions, pay and benefits are very good, and no one wants to unionize and fuck it up.

[kimmy]

While some Ontario-types have tried to convince me that there's no anti-Alberta bias, we can always count on people like our little friend here to set matters straight.

Is it properly called "bias" if its true?

So what exactly was there that was true in his message?

-k

[August1991]

As for oil heading south, sure but do we get to set the prices? Didn't think so

And rather curiously, neither do the Americans set the prices either.

[August1991]

Y'all do realize that if any of the Provinces secede, it's only a matter of time before we're all subsumed by the States? Actually, there's a reasonable chance this is going to happen anyway, but secession will only guarantee and speed up the process.

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I have always suspected that this belief explains the fundamental success of the federal Liberal Party, and the ability of federalist Quebecers to "blackmail" the rest of Canada.

[August1991]

What i would love for america is to start organizing just like in europe.

You guys know how much wars there have been in europe ?

Bakunin, that makes no sense at all. Why would America want to organize itself like a continent that has a history of war? (As recently as 10 years ago, Europeans were still killing each other. I note that the London bombings fell on the 10th anniversary of the Srebnica massacres.)

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I was interested to see that Japan is building car factories in Canada.

Free trade and a low Canadian dollar. It used to be argued that tariff barriers created jobs, and this is proof that that argument is false.

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If Telus offered the Government of Alberta $10B to rename Alberta "Telusland," would Klein do it?

So what exactly was there that was true in his message?

What's this all about? Telus?

[BHS]

Y'all do realize that if any of the Provinces secede, it's only a matter of time before we're all subsumed by the States? Actually, there's a reasonable chance this is going to happen anyway, but secession will only guarantee and speed up the process.

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I have always suspected that this belief explains the fundamental success of the federal Liberal Party, and the ability of federalist Quebecers to "blackmail" the rest of Canada.

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You're right, except I'm not proselytizing for the Liberal party. I actually believe in the inevitability of Canada's wholesale acquisition by the American federation, or perhaps (but less likely) some sort of merger more suitable to Canadian sensibilities. The Liberals merely use this scenario as a scare tactic, suggesting that by voting Liberal in perpetuity the people of Canada can avoid becoming gauche.

[err]

I live a couple of hours away from Cambridge, Ontario, where Toyota has a plant. Apparently it's a non-union shop. I imagine that all of their plants are. From what I've heard the work conditions, pay and benefits are very good, and no one wants to unionize and fuck it up.

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It's interesting that Toyota has figured out that by treating its employees really well, that it can keep the unions out. American/Canadian firms could learn a thing or two....

[Technocrat]

Free trade and a low Canadian dollar

Actually our dollar has risen in value by over 25% in just over 2 years. (Its not low). Free trade? Umm no... free trade should mean that more production is comin from overseas. The plants are being opened because the feds and the ontario government chipped in a crapload of money, the workers productivity is some of the highest levels in the world and the plant will be located amongst many other smaller auto parts plants so JIT production and logistics is perfect in that area.

[Bakunin]

What i would love for america is to start organizing just like in europe.

You guys know how much wars there have been in europe ?

Bakunin, that makes no sense at all. Why would America want to organize itself like a continent that has a history of war? (As recently as 10 years ago, Europeans were still killing each other. I note that the London bombings fell on the 10th anniversary of the Srebnica massacres.)

I mean many empire tried to control europe, now an empire is slowly rising without bloodbath, its something very interesting and promising for the future.

However in America, we will soon have to face the rise of china/india/japan and the new europe. America has already begun to decline, we have to react before its too late. We will have to help the usa if we don't want to decline too. We have to innovate, we could start by harmonizing our money, many south american country already adopted the american dollars. we could have the same passport, a better military and security cooperation. Free trade, unite our voice when possible at the UN, OMC and etc... We must rebuild link and preserve our economic domination.

[catch-as-catch-can]

We don't even vote in our own elections now (only 47.7 per cent of Albertans voted last November).

Would it make any difference if 100% Albertans voted?

I doubt it.

[apollo19]

Ontario is only one of 4 provinces which I could foresee as an independent nation -- the others being Quebec, Alberta and BC. The rest of Canada, although this may seem a bit harsh, just cannot create their own wealth (although Saskatchewan has oil, there is really no industry there). However, as long as there is a Canada in any way, shape, or form, Ontario will always be there... it seems to be the caretaker of the federation.

[ssiguy]

Don't feel sorry about wanting to Ontario out of confederation.

I live in BC and they think Calgary is east.

They all hate Ontario and REALLY hate Toronto but have never been to either.

If my family wasn't out here I would move back to Ontario in a heartbeat.

If Quebec were to go then I would want Ontario to go as well.

I wouldn't want the yahoos from the west getting anymore proportional power.

Ontario is a progressive, dynamic province with more ethnic, cultural, economic, political and urban diversity than any of the other provinces.

Family or not, if Ontario were to leave I would pick up and pack my bags for Toronto {or my hometown London} within the hour and never look back.

[mcqueen625]

Good idea and then we can stop the icebreaking in the St. Lawrence River during the freeze over that all Canadian's are paying for whether we require it ourselves or not. In Europe, icebreaking service is paid for by the shipper and the steamship company, not by the distination port or the country where the port resides, and that is the way it should be here in Canada. At one time there was what was called a winter-port in Eastern canada where all cargo destined for central Canada was unloaded due to ice in the St. Lawrence River. The ports in both Saint John, NB and Halifax, NS are ice-free and do not ever require the services of icebreaking ship to clear a path, but that all changed when the federal government decided to favour the ports in Quebec by provinding ice-breaking service to those ports.

Not too many years ago I remember Ottawa attempting to make all ports in Canada to split equally the costs of icebreaking and it was only when the ports on both the East and West coasts balked and refused to pay for a service they do not use that the feds backtracked. The result is that all Canadian's are paying the costs to keep the ports in Quebec open year round at the expense of the ports on both coasts of Canada. Maybe it is time to demand that the Quebec government pay those icebreaking costs tehmselves if they want the year round port, or simply remove the icebreaking from the St. Lawrence period, and allow nature to determine which ports are viable as it was in times past.