Is Rove It?

[Black Dog]

The poll also gains credibility because it is reasonable to assume that your typical Iraqi is exhausted by the violent attacks upon them by the Islamofascists and would hope that a "Yes" for the constitution sends a message to the terrorists and the world.

You are completely ignorant about the make up of the insurgency and the ethnic/political.sectarian/triibal conflicts that are fuelling this conflict. but then anything simpler than the black hats/white hats dynamic is too much for you to grasp.

The real irony is that, thanks to the U.S, the Iraqi people will soon be living under a Islamic theocracy with close ties to Iran.

  Given that it will take 3 of Iraq's 19 provinces voting against the Constitution by a 2/3rds margin to knock it down, it seems highly likely that the Constitution is going to be approved by the Iraqi people.

The Kurds and Shiites have made sure of that:

Election change seems to ensure Iraq's charter

Iraq's Shiite and Kurdish leaders quietly adopted new rules over the weekend that will make it virtually impossible for the constitution to fail in the coming national referendum.

The move prompted Sunni Arabs and a range of independent political figures to complain that the vote was being fixed.

Some Sunni leaders who have been organizing a campaign to vote down the proposed constitution said they might now boycott the referendum on Oct. 15. Other political leaders also reacted angrily, saying the change would seriously damage the vote's credibility.

Under the new rules, the constitution will fail only if two-thirds of all registered voters - rather than two-thirds of all those actually casting ballots - reject it in at least three of the 18 provinces.

The change, adopted during an unannounced vote in Parliament on Sunday afternoon, effectively raises the bar for those who oppose the constitution. Given that fewer than 60 percent of registered Iraqis voted in the January elections, the chances that two-thirds will both show up at the polls and vote against the document in three provinces would appear to be close to nil.

"This is a mockery of democracy, a mockery of law," said Adnan al-Janabi, a secular Sunni representative and a member of former Prime Minister Ayad Allawi's party. "Many Sunnis have been telling me they didn't believe in this democratic process, and now I believe they are vindicated."

[Montgomery Burns]

You shouldn't go around calling people "completely ignorant" about Iraq, when you were the one who claimed that Iraq had no ties with Al Qaeda. I read a few of the Iraqi blogs and think I have a better understanding of Iraq than you.

And you "forgot" to mention this from the article:

Iraq's Parliament voted today to cancel a last-minute rule change that would have made it almost impossible for Iraq's new constitution to fail in the upcoming national referendum.  The reversal came a day after United Nations official in Baghdad told Shiite and Kurdish leaders that the new rule was a violation of international election standards. Sunni Arab leaders who oppose the constitution had also criticized the rule change, saying it amounted to rigging the referendum in advance.  The Shiite and Kurdish leaders capitulated today, with 119 of 157 legislators voting to cancel the rule change.

Don't you ever get tired of being intellectually dishonest?

[newbie]

You shouldn't go around calling people "completely ignorant" about Iraq, when you were the one who claimed that Iraq had no ties with Al Qaeda.

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Please, before you embarrass yourself even further, read the 911 commission report.

[Montgomery Burns]

You shouldn't go around calling people "completely ignorant" about Iraq, when you were the one who claimed that Iraq had no ties with Al Qaeda.

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Please, before you embarrass yourself even further, read the 911 commission report.

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I have read the 9/11 Commission, or as they are calling it now, Omission Report--amongst other evidence.

Here is a quarter. Please go buy yourself a clue.

[newbie]

You shouldn't go around calling people "completely ignorant" about Iraq, when you were the one who claimed that Iraq had no ties with Al Qaeda.

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In the words of David Hannum, There's a sucker born every minute. Hard to understand the denial factor on this one. Facts are scary things I guess.

[theloniusfleabag]

Just looking over the thread, and found some interesting stuff...

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Good point.

These people that presently rule the White House just lie and deceive about almost everything it seems:

Cheney's office linked to Rove affair

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U.S. Vice-President Richard Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis Libby, was a source along with U.S. President George W. Bush's chief political adviser for a Time story that identified a CIA officer, the magazine reporter said Sunday, further countering White House claims that neither aide was involved in the leak.

It's going to be so great when the Dems get back into the White House, so that I can take your place at blowing all of the fiddling, meaningless little deceptions that happen under every administration way out of proportion. I'm really going to enjoy stuffing all of this right back in your faces.

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Bugh Heaseddis Soddite says, "Bring on the Big Money Copulation!!"

Neat!

[Black Dog]

Libby indicted!

Lewis Libby, the chief of staff to the US vice-president, Dick Cheney, resigned tonight after being charged in connection with the leaking of the identity of a covert CIA agent to the media.

Mr Libby, 55, a key member of the Bush administration, was indicted on obstruction of justice, false statement and perjury charges at the end of a 22-month investigation by a federal grand jury.

Papers released by the special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald revealed that Karl Rove, the chief political advisor to the US president, George Bush, will not be charged today in connection with the inquiry but will remain under investigation.

Here's hoping Fitzmas comes twice (at least!) this year.

[Shakeyhands]

Libby indicted!

Lewis Libby, the chief of staff to the US vice-president, Dick Cheney, resigned tonight after being charged in connection with the leaking of the identity of a covert CIA agent to the media.

Mr Libby, 55, a key member of the Bush administration, was indicted on obstruction of justice, false statement and perjury charges at the end of a 22-month investigation by a federal grand jury.

Papers released by the special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald revealed that Karl Rove, the chief political advisor to the US president, George Bush, will not be charged today in connection with the inquiry but will remain under investigation.

Here's hoping Fitzmas comes twice (at least!) this year.

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patsy?

[Guest eureka]

Maybe not, Shakey. Fitzgerald may be going only with what he can prove at this point. The trial of Libby, if it should be only Libby, may well bring out the whole nasty scheme and bring in Cheney and possibly Bush.

[Shady]

I guess we now know the answer to the thread question. Is it Rove? Nope.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Shady,

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This is beginning to have to the earmarks of the Nixon "Watergate Scandal" all over it

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So things are finally beginning to change on the Rove front

Shady replies...

Wow, I don't think I've ever seen somebody so wrong before. And in just one thread! Ouch.

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And then,

I guess we now know the answer to the thread question. Is it Rove? Nope.

Your answer?

Wow, I don't think I've ever seen somebody so wrong before. And in just one thread! Ouch.

Not that Rove is expected to literally hang...but perhaps BHS will share some of his 'crow' with you...

[BHS]

Pardon?

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear BHS,

Pardon?

My reply was meant to call attention to your previous posts; that you denied any wrongdoing took place, and that you suggested Wilson himself was the source of the leak. Perhaps my comment is premature, as Rove has not been indicted (yet?), though Shady also has jumped the gun by trying to exonerate him before the information is on the table.

[BHS]

Dear BHS,

Pardon?

My reply was meant to call attention to your previous posts; that you denied any wrongdoing took place, and that you suggested Wilson himself was the source of the leak. Perhaps my comment is premature, as Rove has not been indicted (yet?), though Shady also has jumped the gun by trying to exonerate him before the information is on the table.

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I denied that Rove would be indicted for outing a CIA operative, and so far he hasn't been. At the time I posted my earlier comments I'd never heard of Scooter Libby (at least not in the context of the scandal - I might have heard his name before, 'Scooter' being the kind of name you don't really forget) and I doubt you had either. In any case, Libby was indicted for lying about the timeline of who he talked to and when, not for devulging any national secrets. In other words, the substance of the scandal has thus far amounted to nothing. (And how was I to know, at a time when I wasn't even aware of his involvement, that Libby was committing perjury? I'm not omniscient.)

And I'm sticking to the idea that Wilson was the first person to publicly confirm that his wife was indeed a covert operative. Up until that point she had only been refered to publicly as an 'operative', synonymous with 'agent' and not necessarily denoting covert or classified status.

I'd say the people jumping the gun are still the anti-Bush hordes who assume that Libby's trial will somehow implicate Bush and Cheney in wrongdoing. Dream on, folks.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear BHS,

And I'm sticking to the idea that Wilson was the first person to publicly confirm that his wife was indeed a covert operative. Up until that point she had only been refered to publicly as an 'operative', synonymous with 'agent' and not necessarily denoting covert or classified status.

Any CIA 'operative' is 'classified'. That status even includes the number of people working for the CIA, and it's budget.

Mr. Turd Blossom (Karl Rove) isn't clear of the stink yet...

from...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/rove_affair/

Bush has been known to refer to Rove as Turd Blossom – after the wildflowers that sprout from cattle dung in Texas – because he manages to come out smelling great while surrounded by stink.

[Black Dog]

I guess we now know the answer to the thread question. Is it Rove? Nope.

What part of "will remain under investigation." don't you understand? The game ain't over yet.

In other words, the substance of the scandal has thus far amounted to nothing.

Only the most hardcore partisan could possibly characterize the indictment of a sitting senior administration official (first time in 130 years that's happened) as "nothing".

[Montgomery Burns]

All last week, the left was eagerly anticipating "Fitzmas," their name for that happy day when federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald would hand down indictments against Scooter Libby, and Rove, maybe even Cheney, and maybe, just maybe--if we're really really lucky--Bushitler himself.

What they got instead, was an indictment against someone no one has never heard of before (shades of Jeff Gannon), who is not charged with "outing" Plame. Another liberal wet dream dead. Rove, Cheney and Bush win again.

It's basically a nonstory--just like the left said about Clinton's perjury--right?

Besides, I believe that Libby will be acquitted. Why? Because I saw this from the New York Times:

I. Lewis Libby Jr.’s trial will largely turn on whether jurors are more inclined to believe him or members of the media.

[Montgomery Burns]

theloniusfleabag:

Mr. Turd Blossom (Karl Rove) isn't clear of the stink yet...

Please don't use childish terms to refer to people. It is against the rules of this forum.

Attack the point; don't call them names.

[Yodeler]

Attack the point; don't call them names.

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It's just like something Pierre Trudeau would say.

I like Pierre Trudeau.

[Guest eureka]

I suppose that was a childish name that Fleabag quoted. Next time you speak to George Bush, tell him that it was not a very nice nickname that he gave his adoring follower.

Even though it was fairly accurate until he was caught this time.

[Montgomery Burns]

Well, if Canada's taxpayer-funded, state-run, North Korea-style CBC says so, then it must be true.

[Black Dog]

Google search: "turd blossom+karl rove"

[Montgomery Burns]

Thanks for all the links to radical leftwing sites.

[Black Dog]

"Everyone thinks it is over for Karl and they are wrong,"

Rove remains a focus of the CIA leak probe. He has told friends it is possible he still will be indicted for providing false statements to the grand jury.

[Montgomery Burns]

The Dems were hoping for indictments against Rove, Cheney and Bush for "outing" Valerie Wilson.

Instead they got an indictment against someone no one has heard of (Scooter Libby) - for allegedly telling a different story than a reporter.

Whoop-de-doo.

Curses! The left is foiled again.