ann coulter

[I miss Reagan]

lol. I never said she didn't hate liberals. You honestly believe we need Ann to convince us to laugh at liberals?

No wonder you are so left. Slow down on that Chomsky Kool-aid.

Bullshit. Nobody writes books, shows up on natonal television etc etc. just to preach to the choir.

Right, she does it to make money. Trust me on this one, the Average Joes are not the ones puting Ann on NYT best seller list.

[Black Dog]

lol. I never said she didn't hate liberals. You honestly believe we need Ann to convince us to laugh at liberals?

No I think you're perfectly willing to parrot whatever shill comes along that makes you feel big. I wouldn't have a problem with the vast right-wing media circle jerk if it kept to its own. But it keeps bubbling up and infecting the mainstream.

No wonder you are so left. Slow down on that Chomsky Kool-aid.

I'm willing to be a month's pay you've never even read Chomsky.

Right, she does it to make money. Trust me on this one, the Average Joes are not the ones puting Ann on NYT best seller list.

So what you're saying it's the wealthy elites who are lapping up this stuff. How doe sthat square with th ecommon notion that the right wing represents the little guy, the working stiff, the silent majority? See I keep hearing from people like Coulter about the "Hollywood Liberals" and "New York elites" that are destroying America. And now you're telling me these folks are her fanbase? WTF?

By the way, since when is lying in the public record okay as long as it's just for entertainment?

[I miss Reagan]

No I think you're perfectly willing to parrot whatever shill comes along that makes you feel big. I wouldn't have a problem with the vast right-wing media circle jerk if it kept to its own. But it keeps bubbling up and infecting the mainstream.

Here we go...

I'm willing to be a month's pay you've never even read Chomsky.

You work? I thought you were die hard lefty? JK

See I keep hearing from people like Coulter about the "Hollywood Liberals" and "New York elites" that are destroying America. And now you're telling me these folks are her fanbase?

Come on now, that isn't what I said. No need to be cavillous to debate my point. Let me clarify the Average Joe comment for you: She's not producing motion pictures and cruising the morning show circuit. Nice try with the spin. I don't even really care. I find it funny that you guys take her bait when she insults Canada just to get a rise out of you.

By the way, since when is lying in the public record okay as long as it's just for entertainment?

Never said that either. I've never heard her lie.

[Black Dog]

Come on now, that isn't what I said. No need to be cavillous to debate my point. Let me clarify the Average Joe comment for you: She's not producing motion pictures and cruising the morning show circuit. Nice try with the spin. I don't even really care. I find it funny that you guys take her bait when she insults Canada just to get a rise out of you.

She's making books (best-sellers, as I understand it) and cruises the talk show circuit. I guess the question is: if it's not the Average Joe that's making her a mint, then who is?

Again, though, thanks for proving my point that Michael Moore gets you frothing at the mouth while Ann Coulter gets a pass, despite having the same schitck.

Never said that either. I've never heard her lie.

The easiest way to tell when she's lying is to look at her mouth. If it's open and there is sound coming out, she's lying.

[I miss Reagan]

Again, though, thanks for proving my point that Michael Moore gets you frothing at the mouth while Ann Coulter gets a pass, despite having the same schitck.

Two totally different people with totally differnt MO's. Personally I think MM's tactics of camera ambush, cut and paste film making, truth distortion, slander, and utter hypocrisy are bad for teenagers and the hardworking Americans they're marketed to. Somehow to me, making fun of liberals doesn't fall into this category.

[Black Dog]

Again, though, thanks for proving my point that Michael Moore gets you frothing at the mouth while Ann Coulter gets a pass, despite having the same schitck.

Two totally different people with totally differnt MO's. Personally I think MM's tactics of camera ambush, cut and paste film making, truth distortion, slander, and utter hypocrisy are bad for teenagers and the hardworking Americans they're marketed to. Somehow to me, making fun of liberals doesn't fall into this category.

Of course. You perfer people who just make up facts, insults disabled Vietnam veterans, hypocritically bemoans personal attacks while using phrases such as "traitor", "half-wit" and worse to describe her opponents, calls for the deportation of immigrants from "terrorist producing countries" etc etc. etc.

But that's all fun and games. You're not partisan. Just looking out for the children, right?

You can compare the relative popularity and methodology of Moore and Coulter to unfavourable slag the former, there's many commonalities: both are media persoanlities, both are successful because of their outrageousness, both cater in large part to partisan constituencies, both are rich (Moore through his body of work, Coulter largey through the patronage of the well-funded conservative apparatus), bothe rare vilified by their opponnents, both play fast and loose with the facts to suit their agenda.

Yet, in your view, one "spews venom" while the other one "plays for laughs". I don't know how you do it: for most people, holding two completely contradictary opinions at the same time would caus etheir head to explode.

[I miss Reagan]

Ya ok what ever ya say Black Dawg...

[I Miss Trudeau]

Ya ok what ever ya say Black Dawg...

I think IMR just tapped out! BD wins in the 2nd round by submission.

[kimmy]

In comparing Coulter and Moore, one thing I'll point out is that Moore tries to create the appearance that he is making documentaries; with Coulter there's no doubt that she's providing commentary.

Viewers watching Coulter know they are watching one person run her mouth.

Viewers watching Moore will see news-footage presented in such a way as to make it appear they're watching a documentary. There's lots of detailed analysis of Moore's methods of manipulating footage to create things that never really happened: Seeing isn't really believing.

To me, the difference is that Coulter is kooky, but Moore is deceptive. I have a hard time believing anybody with an IQ over about 80 could find Coulter to be anything more than comedy (she's funny... but not in the way she thinks she's funny. She's funny like your Grandma's friend that keeps trying to butter the cocker spaniel.) Moore on the otherhand...

-kimmy

[I Miss Trudeau]

To me, the difference is that Coulter is kooky, but Moore is deceptive.

Look back at the video clip that started this entire thread. You really don't think that Coulter is "deceptive?"

[kimmy]

Yes, IMT, I believe that's the case.

She's expressing opinions. Her opinions might be brain-damaged and nonsensical, but they're not presented as anything other than one flake's opinion. I don't believe the word "deceptive" can be applied to opinions. "Deceptive" can be applied to the way one argues their case or presents the facts. But Coulter doesn't misrepresent facts during that clip; in fact she presents almost no facts at all.

-kimmy

[I Miss Trudeau]

She's expressing opinions. Her opinions might be brain-damaged and nonsensical, but they're not presented as anything other than one flake's opinion. I don't believe the word "deceptive" can be applied to opinions.

Her opinions are stated as facts, not opinions, and are very deceptive to those who take them as facts. You may notice that she never says "I think that...", or "In my opinion, ....". Why is that?

But Coulter doesn't misrepresent facts during that clip; in fact she presents almost no facts at all.

Watch it again. I think where you are having the difficulty is that Moore takes "semi-facts" and runs with them or misrepresents them. Coulter takes "anti-facts" and runs with them. The only difference is that Moore typically begins with something near reality and then twists it, while Coulter begins in Wonderland and doesn't really go anywhere from there. The purpose, in either case, is the same.

[kimmy]

She's expressing opinions. Her opinions might be brain-damaged and nonsensical, but they're not presented as anything other than one flake's opinion. I don't believe the word "deceptive" can be applied to opinions.

Her opinions are stated as facts, not opinions, and are very deceptive to those who take them as facts. You may notice that she never says "I think that...", or "In my opinion, ....". Why is that?

...because it would be redundant?

Most often, opinions are indeed state as facts. "That was a horrible movie." "Jennifer Garner is a shitty actress." "Baseball is boring to watch." These are stated as if they were verifyable certainties, even though they are opinions. It is not necessary for one to state "I think..." or "In my opinion..." for the listener to discern as much from their context and content.

I am sure that we could search the board and find hundreds of statements of opinion from yourself, me, and dozens of others, with few of them prefaced with qualifiers such as "In my opinion" or "I think". This presentation does not make it deceptive or dishonest.

I have watched the clip, and I don't believe Coulter says anything that isn't easily discernable as opinion from the content and context.

If you disagree, please provide a specific example and explain why you feel it's deceptive.

But Coulter doesn't misrepresent facts during that clip; in fact she presents almost no facts at all.

Watch it again. I think where you are having the difficulty is that Moore takes "semi-facts" and runs with them or misrepresents them. Coulter takes "anti-facts" and runs with them. The only difference is that Moore typically begins with something near reality and then twists it, while Coulter begins in Wonderland and doesn't really go anywhere from there. The purpose, in either case, is the same.

I'm not having any difficulties. Moore's misuse of video footage and misrepresentation of circumstances is deliberate and calculated-- deceptive.

Coulter is crazy and usually wrong, but she doesn't represent her opinions to be anything they're not.

-kimmy

[Unpolarized]

Ann Coulter represents the dirth of meaningful public discourse. If she is a comedian, she should be on the comedy channel of SNL, not on news shows where it would be very easy for some, who don't know much about her, to mistake her views for meaningful public discourse or intelligent commentary.

She is boorish, a bully and rude. Its not funny because she is trying to be serious and people really believe what she is saying. She makes good TV, no doubt but put her on a different channel at a different time.

[ft.niagara]

Ann Coulter represents the dirth of meaningful public discourse. If she is a comedian, she should be on the comedy channel of SNL, not on news shows where it would be very easy for some, who don't know much about her, to mistake her views for meaningful public discourse or intelligent commentary.

She is boorish, a bully and rude. Its not funny because she is trying to be serious and people really believe what she is saying. She makes good TV, no doubt but put her on a different channel at a different time.

Actually, I occasionally find her insightful, entertaining, and refreshing. I get a chuckle out of all this liberal Canadian piling on, and how it represents some kind of wish that she will go away, or you are making her go away. But alas, she will not go away. I suspect that she will be around for many more years.

[Black Dog]

Actually, I occasionally find her insightful, entertaining, and refreshing.

But then, you probably also consider Tom DeLay "honest" and lynchings "good clean fun".

I get a chuckle out of all this liberal Canadian piling on, and how it represents some kind of wish that she will go away, or you are making her go away.

I do wish she would go away. She represents everything that's wrong with the American media and the current brand of G.O.P "conservatism".

suspect that she will be around for many more years.

...if the anorexia and nose-candy don't do her in first.

[moderateamericain]

she does cocaine? have you proof of that claim? i havent heard that one yet, clearly she is an extremist, and the best way to make her and people like her (michael moore for example) is this

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silence isnt it grand.

[Shakeyhands]

she does cocaine? have you proof of that claim? i havent heard that one yet, clearly she is an extremist, and the best way to make her and people like her (michael moore for example) is this

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silence isnt it grand.

thats nothing really, Its also fact that Republicans males aren't very well hung and that the women are easy and get a lot of abortions.

Republicans also like to molest children and small furry animals.

[Black Dog]

she does cocaine? have you proof of that claim? 

Either she's a blowhead (the sunken nostrils, the gaunt face, the stick figure, the paranoia) or a post-op transsexual. Take your pick. Either way such personal attacks are good enough for Coulte rto use, then they are good enough to use against her. Who needs proof?

Anybody see the puff-piece Time Magazine (which I thiought was part of The Liberal Media) did on Coulter? I'm surprised they didn't give her a centerfold spread.

Ann Coulter and I were well into a bottle of white Bordeaux—and I believe she was chewing her fourth piece of Nicorette—when it happened. From what little I knew of her—mainly her propensity for declamations such as "liberals love America like O.J. loved Nicole"—I thought it impossible for Coulter to blush. Many of her fans would later tell me it was her fearlessness they admired, her fully unburdened sense of outrage against liberalism, against anyone left of Joseph McCarthy (whom Coulter flattered in her best-selling book Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism).

Aww. Isn't that cute. The "woman" who cheers for mass murder actually capable of the physiological process we humans call blushing. Of course, I'd blush too if I had a Time Magazine reporter lodge in my ass. :angry:

Media Matters dissects Time's Coulter blowjob

[moderateamericain]

so why decend to her level black dog? how you garner a drug addiction out of that is foolish. nobody doubts she is a sick individual, lord knows i take her with a grain of salt. but you just put yourself at her level. why woud you do such a thing?

[Black Dog]

so why decend to her level black dog? how you garner a drug addiction out of that is foolish. nobody doubts she is a sick individual, lord knows i take her with a grain of salt. but you just put yourself at her level. why woud you do such a thing?

Thing is, Coluter and the people she appeals to and, in some ways, represents don't have a level. Ther'e no depth they won't sink to. You'll note I did not call for her assasination (as Coulter once did of Clinton) to strike fear in the hearts of those in the conservative movement (as Coulter suggessted executing liberals as a warning to others). It may seem redundant to skewer her, given how often she descends to self-parody, bt the fact she's being promoted in a major mainstream media publication and that her views are called "insightful, entertaining, and refreshing" by people on this very board demand a response. And, for people like her, the best response is to not take them seriously as thinkers, but to treat them like the whores they are.

[I miss Reagan]

I love it! She'd be nothing without your venom.

You'll note I did not call for her assasination (as Coulter once did of Clinton) to strike fear in the hearts of those in the conservative movement (as Coulter suggessted executing liberals as a warning to others).

Let's see some backup here BD. I'm still waiting for the evidence of the "blowing up the NYT building" comment you accused her of 6 months ago...

[Black Dog]

Let's see some backup here BD. I'm still waiting for the evidence of the "blowing up the NYT building" comment you accused her of 6 months ago...

"In this recurring nightmare of a presidency, we have a national debate about whether he  (Clinton) 'did it,' even though all sentient people know he did. Otherwise there would be debates only about whether to impeach or assassinate."- Ann Coulter "High Crimes and Misdemeanors"

"When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that [American Taliban supporter] John Walker [Lindh] is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed too. Otherwise they will turn out to be outright traitors."- Ann Coulter, at the Conservative Political Action Conference, Feb. 2, 2002

And

"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building." -Ann Coulter, quoted in the New York Observer, August 21, 2002

[I miss Reagan]

Just as I suspected, Michael Moore-esque stretching of the truth.

Some of her comments plainly lack taste and are over the top but seem to have acheived their intended effect. She's selling books and has you worried about her.

[Black Dog]

Just as I suspected, Michael Moore-esque stretching of the truth.

Some of her comments plainly lack taste and are over the top but seem to have acheived their intended effect. She's selling books and has you worried about her.

Just as I suspected: partisan blindness. Tell me, what part of the statements I cited is untruthful. They all came straight from the horse-face's mouth and are pretty unambiguous.

What has me worried is that this harpy can be given front page puff piece treatment in a major news publication, columns in newspapers and plum TV apperances in spite of her obvious instability. That has me worried about the state of political discourse. And while I'm sure you might find her hate-filled screeds to be "amusing" and "over-the-top", I'd bet good money that if any of the quotes above came from, say, Michael Moore, you'd be howling like rabid hound instead of lapping up her schtick like a docile, compliant puppy.